National League 2019

Ard Mhacha 13

Ard Mhacha 13

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Bert said:
I don't think it was a high tackle on jemar but it was certainly a dangerous one. The referee had given us a free and was dealing with it.

What caused the melee was Rory grugan coming in and throwing a cowardly punch. He then got threw around ballybofey like a back of crisps whilst other lads such as mcabe & Morgan had no choice but to back up their colleagues.

Grugan caused the row. Don't get involved in things you can't sort out.
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So you think that if Jemar hadn't been "tackled" in this way the melee would have started anyway? Do you not think the Donegal player who put in this "tackle" at the very least deserved a card? I completely disagree with you as regards McCabe & Morgan having "no choice" but to back up their colleagues, they always have a choice & their choice on this occasion was to get involved, rightly or wrongly.

Finally Rory Grugan was not the only player throwing punches "cowardly" or otherwise that night, as I mentioned in an earlier post the Donegal number 8 punched Stephen Sheridan in the upper chest with a closed fist, no action taken by the referee. Our team got NINE yellow cards in this match & yet here are 2 incidents definitely worthy of cards which escaped punishment.
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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fullback said:
I think if you take a look again at the stamp, the player on the ground raised his foot to Sheridan just before the stamp.
We need to stop condemning Stephen, we are just making it easy for them to punish him
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Ach sure I’ve deleted it now :rolleyes:

I think it’s more that fans are frustrated at him, because even if you are a totally deluded orange-tinted glasses wearing eejit (I’m naming no names here btw) you know he will get a ban. And we need all our players available.
 
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niall1980

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I agree we get a rough ride from refs all over but this complaining is getting us nowhere. We need to look at ourselves and find the answers. How do we rid ourselves of the rep we have? Control the controlables as they say. We have the team to win the next two games. Whether we will or not depends on a lot of things tho
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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OK just for clarity and then let's move on, at NO stage have I blamed ANYONE for our defeat on Saturday evening nor even the weather. I even alluded that we got what we deserved because of our lack of precision.
I've even said that Stephen Sheridan deserves a ban for being stupid. My issue was with the piece which in my opinion and one I still hold is that it is biased and unfair. Of course they made reference to what McCorry said, they'd nothing else to reference, but not a single mention of one dubious tackle by Donegal.
Does everyone defending the article really believe that it was a fair and balanced piece just because they reference what the assistant manager said?? If that's true then fair play they did a great job in balancing the article and I'll take the accusation of being a pansy - which I believe is a very low blow. If all you offer is name calling then that's an argument lost before you start and I have serious respect for your opinion bcb and expected better from you. You now have done the very thing you castigate others for in acting like that against someones' opinion because it differs from your own. I agree with almost all you said in that post, but struggle to see where I ever at any time have insinuated there is an agenda against us except the tongue in cheek comment about the southern media which we have spoken about before and I totally don't agree with.

On the so called handbag event described as a melee the time line was: a head tackle on Jamar as he bent down to gather the ball after dispossessing Donegal #5 by their #12
He (#12) picked the ball up and Stephen Sheridan shoved him at some
Rory was then hit directly in the face with an open palm and thrown to the ground by Donegal #11 right in front of the ref which is presumably what he was sent off for - if Rory punched, the ref had the same view, so why no red for him?

I'll add I also know Martin McNally through work contacts and like his style. I've also said in another post no.1236 and stressed we need more discipline. Take look at post 1130. I blame our tactics or lack of, not officials.

Moving on.....
 
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PatMustard

PatMustard

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Calm1 said:
Rory was then hit directly in the face with an open palm and thrown to the ground by Donegal #11 right in front of the ref which is presumably what he was sent off for - if Rory punched the ref had the same view, so why no red for him?
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Sorry, couldn’t help but spot that.

That was me just cutting the tension btw. It was getting a bit hot in here. :oops:
 
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niall1980

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Calm1 said:
OK just for clarity and then let's move on, at NO stage have I blamed ANYONE for our defeat on Saturday evening nor even the weather. I even alluded that we got what we deserved because of our lack of precision.
I've even said that Stephen Sheridan deserves a ban for being stupid. My issue was with the piece which in my opinion and one I still hold is that it is biased and unfair. Of course they made reference to what McCorry said, they'd nothing else to reference, but not a single mention of one dubious tackle by Donegal.
Does everyone defending the article really believe that it was a fair and balanced piece just because they reference what the assistant manager said?? If that's true then fair play they did a great job in balancing the article and I'll take the accusation of being a pansy - which I believe is a very low blow. If all you offer is name calling then that's an argument lost before you start and I have serious respect for your opinion bcb and expected better from you. You now have done the very thing you castigate others for in acting like that against someones' opinion because it differs from your own. I agree with almost all you said in that post, but struggle to see where I ever at any time have insinuated there is an agenda against us except the tongue in cheek comment about the southern media which we have spoken about before and I totally don't agree with.

On the so called handbag event described as a melee the time line was: a head tackle on Jamar as he bent down to gather the ball after dispossessing Donegal #5 by their #12
He (#12) picked the ball up and Stephen Sheridan shoved him at some
Rory was then hit directly in the face with an open palm and thrown to the ground by Donegal #11 right in front of the ref which is presumably what he was sent off for - if Rory punched the ref had the same view, so why no red for him?

I'll add I also know Martin McNally through work contacts and like his style. I've also said in another post no.1236 and stressed we need more discipline. Take look at post 1130. I blame our tactics or lack of, not officials.

Moving on.....
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I just didnt think the article was that bad. I never read the Irish news after we lose but after reading your synopsis I got my barney up so read it. Was a bit disappointed with it to be honest. Didn’t think there was much to get annoyed at. Wasn’t a perfect article and it certainly didn’t mention donegals play acting but I didn’t think it was that bad. I have read worse regarding us. Some of it on this thread ffs
 
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thecritic

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No matter what way we look at it it's our discipline and tackling that needs improved mostly. If we are not disciplined against this Fermanagh team and system then we'll have no chance against them.
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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Ard Mhacha 13 said:
So you think that if Jemar hadn't been "tackled" in this way the melee would have started anyway? Do you not think the Donegal player who put in this "tackle" at the very least deserved a card? I completely disagree with you as regards McCabe & Morgan having "no choice" but to back up their colleagues, they always have a choice & their choice on this occasion was to get involved, rightly or wrongly.

Finally Rory Grugan was not the only player throwing punches "cowardly" or otherwise that night, as I mentioned in an earlier post the Donegal number 8 punched Stephen Sheridan in the upper chest with a closed fist, no action taken by the referee. Our team got NINE yellow cards in this match & yet here are 2 incidents definitely worthy of cards which escaped punishment.
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Hall play acted a bit when bumped into
 
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The Big Easy

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Look lads. Donegal were smart to run the clock down against the wind in the first half and then when they got a lead. Every tackle it appeared they went down holding their heads. That’s simulation and should be punished. Because it was a potential head injury the ref has to stop the game. Very cynical behaviour which inevitably was orchestrated by the Donegal management.

This diving, simulation etc was so bad in soccer they had to deal with it. It’s a cancer in our game now and if headquarters don’t deal with it, it’s gonna get worse.

I don’t like it at all and over the years our “manliness” has gone against us. Tyrone dived their way to an all-Ireland in 03 and it didn’t stop there. Do these refs actually watch back the games the officiate at?
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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The Big Easy said:
Look lads. Donegal were smart to run the clock down against the wind in the first half and then when they got a lead. Every tackle it appeared they went down holding their heads. That’s simulation and should be punished. Because it was a potential head injury the ref has to stop the game. Very cynical behaviour which inevitably was orchestrated by the Donegal management.

This diving, simulation etc was so bad in soccer they had to deal with it. It’s a cancer in our game now and if headquarters don’t deal with it, it’s gonna get worse.

I don’t like it at all and over the years our “manliness” has gone against us. Tyrone dived their way to an all-Ireland in 03 and it didn’t stop there. Do these refs actually watch back the games the officiate at?
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Hard to disagree.

Unfortunately there’s not a lot we can do. As you say, play has to be stopped if there’s a potential head injury. Player safety comes first.

But banning players afterwards is all well and good. As you say, Tyrone in 03 dived Their way to Sam. Did they care if half the team got banned retrospectively? Not a jot. Sam was on the bus.

A stop watch may help but it won’t solve it.
 
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Androim

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PatMustard said:
I buy the Irish News a few times a week. I have Monday’s copy sitting here untouched (I only checked the death notices to see if my name was in it. Luckily it wasn’t).

Anyway, when I get around to reading it, I’ll give my verdict.
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Well.well.well...?
 
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The Big Easy

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PatMustard said:
Hard to disagree.

Unfortunately there’s not a lot we can do. As you say, play has to be stopped if there’s a potential head injury. Player safety comes first.

But banning players afterwards is all well and good. As you say, Tyrone in 03 dived Their way to Sam. Did they care if half the team got banned retrospectively? Not a jot. Sam was on the bus.

A stop watch may help but it won’t solve it.
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A stop watch would help considerably since there would be no running down the clock. It won’t stop the diving and buying a free but it would stop trying to buy time.
 
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The Big Easy

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PatMustard said:
It won’t stop a repeat of a Jordan / Marsden incident though.

Oh no, I can feel @Ard Mhacha 13 ’s blood boiling from here :confused:
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Don’t get me bloody started on that. Freaking nightmares again ffs. You know what would stop it though is a TMO type person. By the time the ref consults his umpires and linesmen an independent video ref would be able to give the correct decision in half the time. Furthermore, when players know that a video ref is in place, they’ll quit that shite altogether. The GAA is very slow to use the considerable technology available to them. Instead, they hang out the refs to dry and spend hours and hours dishing out retrospective bans and hearing appeals on wrong decisions.
 
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