Is it time to consider new management?

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Pat Cully

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Eireogatron said:
Very different game now Pat to be fair.

Hearty was maligned at times as well for launching it over the sideline (not my criticism, just highlighting it's a universal thing with keepers)

Totally agree with giving the other team the kickout, baffles me. It's an "arse about face" way of counteracting keepers with accurate long kickouts by hoping they go very short and you're able to push up to stop the opposition crossing your 45. Only problem is that by conceding the kickout you give a natural overlap.

Personally, I love a well worked short kickout, but by that I mean a keeper clipping it to chest 45/50 yards out, not 12 yard to the full back! That was the original cluxton/durkan mode that set off the era of the keeper positively influencing the game imo. Beggan and the current Donegal keeper Patton are superb at it and it's great to see (beggan doesn't even use a cone). Unfortunately it's been bastardised by overthinking and the powers that be look like they are going to press ahead with the "lump up the middle" by hook or by crook.

Going off topic now but if you watch TG4 gold, the era of man for man and the high fielding midfielder has been greatly exaggerated in its quality for the spectator by certain lobbyists. Restricting the keepers influence (talking about a soccer-esque pass back rule now) is a joke
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See Paul hearty on Twitter saying are keepers only there to kick the ball out? What if they want to get involved in an attacking move up the field! Trying to tinker with the game far too much it’s just another rule for a referee to get in a muddle over
 
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Nab14

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Think Blaine gets a lot of harsh criticism, but suppose it’s the same with all keepers in any sport. Fair play to the lad, came into the panel when there were no other keepers available and had a great year. He’s still young and learning all the time.

Read in the Irish examiner report on the match that he made 80% of his kick outs vs mayo, but as with all keepers the negatives are more evident. His shot stopping is usually excellent but was unlucky vs mayo, has saved our skin many times the last 3 years.

Main thing he needs is competition as he has the tools to be a great keeper. Main thing to work on is quick decision making but that comes with experience.
 
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niall1980

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Eireogatron said:
Very different game now Pat to be fair.

Hearty was maligned at times as well for launching it over the sideline (not my criticism, just highlighting it's a universal thing with keepers)

Totally agree with giving the other team the kickout, baffles me. It's an "arse about face" way of counteracting keepers with accurate long kickouts by hoping they go very short and you're able to push up to stop the opposition crossing your 45. Only problem is that by conceding the kickout you give a natural overlap.

Personally, I love a well worked short kickout, but by that I mean a keeper clipping it to chest 45/50 yards out, not 12 yard to the full back! That was the original cluxton/durkan mode that set off the era of the keeper positively influencing the game imo. Beggan and the current Donegal keeper Patton are superb at it and it's great to see (beggan doesn't even use a cone). Unfortunately it's been bastardised by overthinking and the powers that be look like they are going to press ahead with the "lump up the middle" by hook or by crook.

Going off topic now but if you watch TG4 gold, the era of man for man and the high fielding midfielder has been greatly exaggerated in its quality for the spectator by certain lobbyists. Restricting the keepers influence (talking about a soccer-esque pass back rule now) is a joke
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I’d love to know how many scores we conceded when we conceded the kick out
 
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Bo Darville

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Big Jim said:
Same here but I know his dad and he left because of the constant abuse he got on the old forum.
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If true I’d be very disappointed, hadn’t heard that but I’d take your word on it.

That’s the problem with online fan forums, it’s great to hear the differing opinions of fans from around the county but if we are affecting our own players in that way then you do have to question how beneficial the forums are.

Several players have told me they consciously avoid ever looking at this forum which is probably very sensible.
 
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niall1980

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Nab14 said:
Think Blaine gets a lot of harsh criticism, but suppose it’s the same with all keepers in any sport. Fair play to the lad, came into the panel when there were no other keepers available and had a great year. He’s still young and learning all the time.

Read in the Irish examiner report on the match that he made 80% of his kick outs vs mayo, but as with all keepers the negatives are more evident. His shot stopping is usually excellent but was unlucky vs mayo, has saved our skin many times the last 3 years.

Main thing he needs is competition as he has the tooos to be a great keeper. Main thing to work on is quick decision making but that comes with experience.
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My issue with Saturday was the two goals he conceded. The first one he really should have saved. The second one he was out of position. McLoughilin miskicked it. If Hughes was in position he saves that.
Thought kickouts were fine. Keeper always gets the blame when they go wrong which I think is unfair as often it is the outfield player who is at fault
 
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niall1980

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Bo Darville said:
If true I’d be very disappointed, hadn’t heard that but I’d take your word on it.

That’s the problem with online fan forums, it’s great to hear the differing opinions of fans from around the county but if we are affecting our own players in that way then you do have to question how beneficial the forums are.

Several players have told me they consciously avoid ever looking at this forum which is probably very sensible.
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I wouldn’t blame them either. Criticism is alright as far as I am concerned. Outright abuse not so much
 
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Pat Cully

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Unless it’s his brother whom the county board go for I think it would be a backward step. Two years ago I would’ve said get rid but the improvement is there so the next move is very important
 
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PatMustard

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Pat Cully said:
See Paul hearty on Twitter saying are keepers only there to kick the ball out? What if they want to get involved in an attacking move up the field! Trying to tinker with the game far too much it’s just another rule for a referee to get in a muddle over
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I seen Hearty score a clinking point in a charity match once. He was playing outfield at the time though.

Here’s a question... is there any rule against changing your goalkeeper with an outfield player during a match? And can you change as often as you like?

I don’t see why not. It’s not like it’s a proper substitution.
 
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Suil eile.

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Pat Cully said:
Unless it’s his brother whom the county board go for I think it would be a backward step. Two years ago I would’ve said get rid but the improvement is there so the next move is very important
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The current mgr has tried
Pat Cully said:
Unless it’s his brother whom the county board go for I think it would be a backward step. Two years ago I would’ve said get rid but the improvement is there so the next move is very important
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Geezer has been trying to get Tony Mc on board for years! I can't comment why he has declined the opportunity.
 
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Rufus T Firefly

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niall1980 said:
It’s an anonymous letter from what I can gather after a quick glance at it in the shop there
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If this is the case, and the Irish News knows the name of the individual, then I think they should have told said former player that unless you're willing to put your name to it, forget it.

A former player publicly stating he wants Geezer out, but wants to remain anonymous whilst doing so, does not reflect well on the character of said individual.
 
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Rufus T Firefly

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niall1980 said:
My issue with Saturday was the two goals he conceded. The first one he really should have saved. The second one he was out of position. McLoughilin miskicked it. If Hughes was in position he saves that. Thought kickouts were fine. Keeper always gets the blame when they go wrong which I think is unfair as often it is the outfield player who is at fault
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Agree with a lot of that. Disagree with you though on the second goal. I was level with McLoughlin when he kicked it and my impression was a brilliant, lobbed finish, with Blaine advancing off his line to narrow the angle.
 
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