There is no chance in hell McEntee will come in as a No. 2 to Geezer (i seriously hope i'm wrong as that is the golden ticket). Please don't even mention Jim McGuinness - that would be downright madness. We'd turn into a worse version of Fermanagh. One thing we have learned (and Gezzer learned) over the last number of years is that Armagh can't play ultra defensive, counter-attacking football. All year we kept 2 and 3 forwards up at all times and that has paid dividends. Not many teams do that nowadays. Ideally, McEntee added to the management team would IMO definitely hone that style of football even better (as that is the Cross way), but sadly, i think we will see McEntee as manager, but not until Geezer is gone. Can the two men set their differences (and ego's) aside for the betterment of the county? Honestly, i don't even see that conversation happening.
Is it time to consider new management?
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PatMustard
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Can we stop talking about McEntee coming in as manager or no 2? McGeeney has his back room team already.
If and when McEntee is actually brought in, as no1 or no2, then discuss it. But all this McEntee talk is disrespectful to him and the current management.
And it’s doing my head in! Let’s give it a rest folks.
If and when McEntee is actually brought in, as no1 or no2, then discuss it. But all this McEntee talk is disrespectful to him and the current management.
And it’s doing my head in! Let’s give it a rest folks.
ragingbull
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portadownarmaghfan
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Has anyone read Kenny Archers article this morning? On my first read, it's an excellent effort in diversionary tactics- attack the manner in which some people countered the original article without seriously trying to address the issues involved.
That's why I sometimes go on about long posts, it leaves it open for people to employ such diversionary tactics. For example, I'll quote Kenny's last paragraph: Theres something badly wrong when people believe that anonymous comments are worse than direct threats.
So, I don't believe that anonymous comments are worse than direct threats but would ask one simple question:
Why was the former Armagh player not prepared to put his name to that letter?
That's why I sometimes go on about long posts, it leaves it open for people to employ such diversionary tactics. For example, I'll quote Kenny's last paragraph: Theres something badly wrong when people believe that anonymous comments are worse than direct threats.
So, I don't believe that anonymous comments are worse than direct threats but would ask one simple question:
Why was the former Armagh player not prepared to put his name to that letter?
PatMustard
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Yes, and why not wait and do it when McGeeney has left the post? A “so long Kieran, and here’s a kick in the ass on the way out” sort of thing. But I think it will actually gather more support for McGeeney to stay on.
Only the McGeeney-haters will take pleasure in the letter.
gael_force_orchard
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Feel that this thread has veered in all directions. I think we could be at a real damned if you and damned if you dont fork in the road. Personally I think Kieran will get another year so the real focus of this debate so be strengths and weaknesses of the team going forward.
We concede heavily from scoring frees, the stats back this up in black and white. Every game I go to supporters seem to think that we concede soft frees, and to an extent maybe there is the odd questionable decision that goes against us, however by in large the decisions given against us are the correct decisions. Therefore it is essential that we work on discipline in the tackle folks. Ill always drum on about it as discipline in this area of the game is worth 4 to 5 points per game. We simply tackle stupidly, rashly and on the limits of the rules. We get pulled accordingly. This area needs addressed urgently.
We leave 3 players up now, but we could use them to more effect. When we turn the ball over in defence we are still too slow to get direct ball in. Against down, Cavan twice and also for 20 mins against Mayo we won possession and passed laterally along our 45 before losing possession. Quick direct early ball was available to us in all 3 of these games and we did not take it.
The above two points are the reason we lost leads against Kildare and Clare in the league and then criminally against Down and Cavan in Ulster with a Man Advantage. We should never have been in extra time in either of those games.
Kieran will ultimately stay on I believe. So the issues above need addressed and urgently. We wont need to wait until championship next year to see if it is the right choice to appoint him again. Division 2 is stronger next year. A lot stronger than it was this year. However by properly addressing the tackling and speed of movement of the ball issues we can improve a lot. I dont feel referees are harsh on us. I believe we make poor decisions in the tackle and dont move the ball quick enough. A lot more managers than McGeeney have had those problems with Armagh. Manage and coach them correctly and we can move forward again. However I believe Kieran and his team know this. It is now up to the players to learn in their roles.
We concede heavily from scoring frees, the stats back this up in black and white. Every game I go to supporters seem to think that we concede soft frees, and to an extent maybe there is the odd questionable decision that goes against us, however by in large the decisions given against us are the correct decisions. Therefore it is essential that we work on discipline in the tackle folks. Ill always drum on about it as discipline in this area of the game is worth 4 to 5 points per game. We simply tackle stupidly, rashly and on the limits of the rules. We get pulled accordingly. This area needs addressed urgently.
We leave 3 players up now, but we could use them to more effect. When we turn the ball over in defence we are still too slow to get direct ball in. Against down, Cavan twice and also for 20 mins against Mayo we won possession and passed laterally along our 45 before losing possession. Quick direct early ball was available to us in all 3 of these games and we did not take it.
The above two points are the reason we lost leads against Kildare and Clare in the league and then criminally against Down and Cavan in Ulster with a Man Advantage. We should never have been in extra time in either of those games.
Kieran will ultimately stay on I believe. So the issues above need addressed and urgently. We wont need to wait until championship next year to see if it is the right choice to appoint him again. Division 2 is stronger next year. A lot stronger than it was this year. However by properly addressing the tackling and speed of movement of the ball issues we can improve a lot. I dont feel referees are harsh on us. I believe we make poor decisions in the tackle and dont move the ball quick enough. A lot more managers than McGeeney have had those problems with Armagh. Manage and coach them correctly and we can move forward again. However I believe Kieran and his team know this. It is now up to the players to learn in their roles.
Hi All,
New to forum (so be gentle), Geezer deserves another 2-3 years in my opinion. League campaign was disappointing, although we played it without Murnin who has been so crucial to us over the last few years. Although nowhere near 100% fit he had a vital contribution v Down.
Realistically safety in Div 2, a McKenna Cup Final (some view it as not important but a final is a final), winning a championship game for the 1st time in 5 years, beating a Div 1 team in there own backyard (declining yes but also turned over Dublin). Giving Mayo and almighty scare in their own backyard.
Positives for this year- Finding two gems in R.O'Neill and J.Burns who will be county players for many to come. Consolidate in Div 2, Win a ulster championship game, beating Monaghan and even the McKenna Cup run.
Negatives/Regrets- Injuries to Murnin and O.O'Neill so never got to see anything of them. Not beating Cavan 1st time round after being ahead and holding man advantage and probably not making most of goal chances for Mayo and Cavan Replay.
Hopefully can keep this squad together (Jamie committing and Donaghy maybe another year) have a real good go at Div 2 next year, hopefully can avoid a preliminary round in Ulster next year and get a home draw. I do think this squad have the ability to challenge for promotion and really make a good go to get in super 8s. Age is on their side bar a few. Just a mention to another great servant in Charlie Vernon who I am led to believe while retire this year. Thank you for the years of dedication if we had 15 of Charlie we would have one of the hardest working teams. Probably wouldn't score many points though.
New to forum (so be gentle), Geezer deserves another 2-3 years in my opinion. League campaign was disappointing, although we played it without Murnin who has been so crucial to us over the last few years. Although nowhere near 100% fit he had a vital contribution v Down.
Realistically safety in Div 2, a McKenna Cup Final (some view it as not important but a final is a final), winning a championship game for the 1st time in 5 years, beating a Div 1 team in there own backyard (declining yes but also turned over Dublin). Giving Mayo and almighty scare in their own backyard.
Positives for this year- Finding two gems in R.O'Neill and J.Burns who will be county players for many to come. Consolidate in Div 2, Win a ulster championship game, beating Monaghan and even the McKenna Cup run.
Negatives/Regrets- Injuries to Murnin and O.O'Neill so never got to see anything of them. Not beating Cavan 1st time round after being ahead and holding man advantage and probably not making most of goal chances for Mayo and Cavan Replay.
Hopefully can keep this squad together (Jamie committing and Donaghy maybe another year) have a real good go at Div 2 next year, hopefully can avoid a preliminary round in Ulster next year and get a home draw. I do think this squad have the ability to challenge for promotion and really make a good go to get in super 8s. Age is on their side bar a few. Just a mention to another great servant in Charlie Vernon who I am led to believe while retire this year. Thank you for the years of dedication if we had 15 of Charlie we would have one of the hardest working teams. Probably wouldn't score many points though.
ragingbull
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just cause folks want McGeeney out doesn't mean they hate him,i'm 50/50 on McGeeney if he goes won't lose any sleep over it if he stays them so be it,we will always support Armagh no matter who's in charge of the team.
Optiman
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I Don't think that Kieran can continue without some major input/fresh ideas from someone else with managerial experience. Our window of opportunity with this group of players is just too short and indeed we may have missed the boat already in the sense that they have not fulfilled their true potential and especially with the impending retirement of key players. I Don't think that it would be good enough to approach next season without major changes!
PatMustard
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Haters was the wrong word. Bashers would be more appropriate.
pablo
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Picked up a copy lying around coffee lounge at work (I avoid buying the IN). You are absolutely correct, Archers article took the high horse suggesting that free speech and role of journalists were under attack. All diversionary tactics as you say. My question is why go with the letter as a back page story rather than simply publish in the letters section? Setting out to make the opinion of a former player into a major lead story suggests poor judgement or an agenda.
MrMaguire2002
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It's nothing but a bang average tabloid.
It's also a partitionist rag but I'll not even go there
It's also a partitionist rag but I'll not even go there
armaghtimmy
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Whilst I have said I am happy for Geezer to stay on for another 2 years, the overriding thinking on here is that its a case of whether or not the county board offer him a new deal or approach/find someone new to take over. I don't think its as clear cut as that.
Geezer is also being shrewd enough by being non committal either way. For example its obvious Monaghan are going to need a rebuilding job, could they see Mc Geeney as that man based on what he has done with us and if a big money offer is on the table would he go? What if another county approach him with a big offer, a return to Kildare, Galway or the likes? I think he should stay on, but its not just the county board keeping their options open at this stage, so I hope behind the scenes the CB are looking at alternative options as plan B if nothing else.
Geezer is also being shrewd enough by being non committal either way. For example its obvious Monaghan are going to need a rebuilding job, could they see Mc Geeney as that man based on what he has done with us and if a big money offer is on the table would he go? What if another county approach him with a big offer, a return to Kildare, Galway or the likes? I think he should stay on, but its not just the county board keeping their options open at this stage, so I hope behind the scenes the CB are looking at alternative options as plan B if nothing else.
PatMustard
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Big Jim
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Like the post and agree and disagree on the bit highlighted in equal measures.
You are absolutely correct that the direct early ball was available and no disagreement there, but it's really easy to see that from up in the stand or behind the goals, but on the pitch in a playing position with 20 odd other players around you and a referee waiting to blow his whistle if you sneeze, it's not always obvious even if you're one of the better players with vision and can read the game. Some will then say, lump it in and give the forwards the chance at least to win it, but what happens if we lose possession? We get on the back of the player delivering and the player losing out. Brilliant idea I agree, but not as easy as we'd like or think when the pressure is on. You're other points on Kildare and Clare are right on the money. As wrong as the goal from Clare was in the dying seconds was, we never should have been in that position and their free a few moments before showed what they could and would do. In hindsight we deserved that, because we were careless - admittedly also unlucky to drop the ball into the goal, but that's what happens.
Penalty v Sligo, disallowed goal against Clare, conceded goal in dying minutes v Clare and losing various leads are things we need to take form the last few years. We were known in our glory years as ruthless in defence. An era when Kieran ruled defence. Strange though how it's an area of weakness for us. I say bring big Francie back in, never mind Aaron!!
Big Jim
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And that right there is where I'm coming from. After the murder of a relative I found out what they are capable of.It's nothing but a bang average tabloid.
It's also a partitionist rag but I'll not even go there
Big Jim
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Big Jim
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https://twitter.com/gaa_analysis/status/1148321716860588033
It’s not what people see, it’s what they don’t see that counts. Love to criticise?? Think first!
It’s not what people see, it’s what they don’t see that counts. Love to criticise?? Think first!
I agree with a lot of this and no doubt we are naive in the tackle, often lazy and damn right daft in our defends. But, I have watched a lot of games this year and I firmly believe we are reffed to a different standard than other teams. I posted at the time both Donegal and Tyrone in that game got away with stuff we wouldn’t. And that’s before we even mention the Kerry’s and Dublin’s of the world. Now, maybe we earned that reputation and have to unearn it. We start that by learning to tackle and cutting out the daft shit and giving refs no option but to do the thing fairly
Agree. That article was as cogent and well written and fact based as Trump's speech on July 4 in which he praised George Washington for seizing British air bases during the American war for independence.