Armaghball
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For all the few dozen people that will be at most club league games I don’t see the harm in letting spectators be there. Not hard to distance.
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In all honestly that is not the point. The rules have been set for the good of all and clubs have to honour those rules. Those people who want to ignore the rules and go in and watch the matches are putting the club participation at risk.
PatMustard
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You don’t know that. Your average healthy person mightn’t suffer severely with the virus, but who knows the long term impact on the body, particularly the lungs.
I know three reasonably healthy people who have had the virus, and their breathing (as well as other things) are still affected 2/3 months on. I only hope they don’t suffer these problems long term.
Have to agree with this, we are not talking about huge numbers here
Big Jim
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I 100% agree with this and you. Problem is though, them is the rules. Without rules, what do we have?
I kinda agree with the "sheep" comment too from @Kem but again whether we like it or not, agree with it or not, the rules are still in place. In reality the Athletic Grounds could possibly hold 40,000 spectators crammed in tight and on top of each other and the roof of the stands, but the rules say around 20k so we just have to live with it.
@PatMustard has a point with the way some have succumbed to the conspirators illness and have had bad reactions. My cousin has had it and zero affect so there are cases on both sides of that. Over 10million worldwide apparently tested positive and 500,000 have died. That's 9.5 million that survived. A survival rate of 95% (these figures are rounded just for the sake of conversation so not entirely accurate, but close enough, before someone decides to jump on them).
As a comparison - and it's only a comparison to an illness that kills, so again not entirely accurate, Survival rates for some of the more commonly know cancers:
Testis - 95%
Melanoma - 91%
Breast - 85%
Hodgkin Lymphoma - 83%
Rectal - 60%
Colon - 57%
Leukaemia - 54%
Stomach - 22%
Lung - 16%
Liver - 13%
Pancreas - 7%
The only reason I even bothered with those is several of them can be created, by being in contact with others. An example (proven) is lung cancer from passive smoking, which also contributes to throat and brain cancers. We have all had to learn to live with various illnesses and diseases. It's not a very free life, if it is controlled entirely by what you CANNOT do! Vulnerable, elderly and those with low immunity have to avoid, flu's, chills, coughs etc. yet they are still exposed to them on a daily basis.
This is just something else we will have to live alongside. Bit like them'uns. Might smell funny and sound rough, but know what to avoid and it's alright!
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PatMustard
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You just don’t know though. Two Div 4 teams might attract 10 people, but two big Div 1 teams could attract many hundreds, if its a big derby or because people want to just see a game of football again.
Even if they say, a limit of 100, there could be 500 more crowded at the gate who missed out. And that’s not good either.
Big Jim
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I tell ya, it's a clever little bugger. Knows the difference!!
It's so smart. It won’t bother the first 6 people that get together but it knows when the 7th person shows up so be careful if that’s you.
I have a number of difficulties with this way of thinking.
The lockdown was imposed - and being imposed throughout the world - to protect health services from being overwhelmed. Remember the problem sourcing PPE. Imagine there was no lockdown. The virus would reproduce exponentially. In the 6 counties we have about 900 Covid related deaths. Assuming about 5% of the population die from the virus as Big Jim suggests. That would mean about 18000 have been infected. That is about 1% of the population. It is not implausible to suggest - it may even be a conservative estimate - that without lockdown and social distancing 20% of the population would have been infected. On a direct mathematical basis that would mean 20×900 = 18000 would die. That is without even allowing for the health service becoming overwhelmed.
Now some selfish egotists might suggest they are young and healthy so the chances of them dying are low so stuff the rules. The virus may not kill them but what about their grandparent or parent etc who may not be so lucky. What about the cancer treatment a patient misses because the hospital is overwhelmed. What happens you if you are in an accident and you have to be taken past Craigavon hospital to an alternative because Craigavon is over run with virus patients. None of use are immune.
Now I want to watch matches as much as everyone but I don't want to risk even my biggest enemies life to do so. Steps have to be taken slowly. Authorities will be cautious because they honestly do not know what is the right thing to do.
As for sheep. There are a number in the US following the lead of their leaders. How is that going ?
JoeH
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Interesting to read all the different views and that's amongst just a few people.
The main issue I see is complacency and enforcement
Offices, shops, public transport, factories, construction sites, sporting bodies etc have all been given guidelines and there are penalties for not enforcing
Pubs on the other hand seem to be ignoring the rules. Simple answer remove their license. Young people are circulating in pubs etc and if infections are rising mainly in that age group then their contacts are the most likely source.
Public leadership, or at times, the lack of it is an issue and they need to address this urgently
Even trump is wearing a mask now - too little to late but its happening
There will be no second wave in Ireland as tracing is in place and clusters will be closed down
We will be living with this for a long time but we need to live.
We need other diseases identified and treated.
We need children back at school
We need the economy moving
But there will be restrictions but they are manageable if the majority follow them and there is enforcement
There will be a treatment /vaccine at some stage - until then we use modern technology, wash our hands, wear face coverings when required and keep some sort of distancing
In Ireland we have been relatively good at keeping figures low - there was always going to be spikes in cases as more opening and mingling of people took place.
We as individuals have to do our bit
The main issue I see is complacency and enforcement
Offices, shops, public transport, factories, construction sites, sporting bodies etc have all been given guidelines and there are penalties for not enforcing
Pubs on the other hand seem to be ignoring the rules. Simple answer remove their license. Young people are circulating in pubs etc and if infections are rising mainly in that age group then their contacts are the most likely source.
Public leadership, or at times, the lack of it is an issue and they need to address this urgently
Even trump is wearing a mask now - too little to late but its happening
There will be no second wave in Ireland as tracing is in place and clusters will be closed down
We will be living with this for a long time but we need to live.
We need other diseases identified and treated.
We need children back at school
We need the economy moving
But there will be restrictions but they are manageable if the majority follow them and there is enforcement
There will be a treatment /vaccine at some stage - until then we use modern technology, wash our hands, wear face coverings when required and keep some sort of distancing
In Ireland we have been relatively good at keeping figures low - there was always going to be spikes in cases as more opening and mingling of people took place.
We as individuals have to do our bit
Many valid points on all sides. We have to accept that, like the flu, this may be with us forever. We cannot close the world down forever. Already there are clear warnings from the UN that the disruption to the world food supply by COVID19 threatens millions with starvation. We save thousands to kill millions. Unlike the mostly elderly victims of COVID19 it will be mostly children who will starve to death. Being in the vulnerable group myself I am conscious of the danger but I don’t want to destroy young people's futures to keep me dawdling around forever.
Armaghball
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PatMustard
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I think that sums it up.
Yes, things have to open up, schools, shops, cafes etc... but even with more opening and mixing of people, the virus can still be kept at bay, as long as we as individuals, do our bit. Everyone of us.
PatMustard
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There’s always people starving. But it’s normally politics that cause starvation, not crop failures.
Thousands of kids would have went hungry until young Rashford shamed politicians into funding meal schemes. The food was always there for it, the politicians just refused to fund it.
Big Jim
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Yep!
PatMustard
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Freddie didn’t want to live forever. He was only asking.
Big Jim
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Nah, that was one of those rhetorical questions where he was suggesting he did! He tauld me that about a week before he headed aff to Jupiter for a few hundred years vacation. Kept saying "avoid the 20's, avoid the 20'2!" I just thought he was a bit of a spoon, but NOW I know what he meant! I'm going visiting in 2063. Takes a while for to save up for a trip lak that with Elon ye know!
Still not getting outta here with the auld flappy lungs sucking and blowing and heart pumping mercury though patrick!