2020 season - write off?

ShiftYa

ShiftYa

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Big Jim said:
I have to say I'm with shifty @ShiftYa on this. No where in the world has one expert or virologist been able to identify where this actually started, who or when. They can't identify exactly when or where it got into any particular country never mind region. I don't honestly think it can be pinpointed down to a group of footballers, more than to merely speculate and I'm afraid it could be for so many reasons. So so many people have picked it up without even being in crowded bars celebrating. Absolutely by the same token, no one can argue that it's wrong to say that, but reality says we'd just be speculating. We just don't know!! It's invisible. A serious amount of people have no idea at all they have or had it, until tested.
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@Big Jim agreeing with me:eek:, you feeling ok bud? Maybe you should get tested just to be sure.:p
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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ShiftYa said:
@Big Jim agreeing with me:eek:, you feeling ok bud? Maybe you should get tested just to be sure.:p
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You know buddy we may sometimes disagree but we're always friends so we are. Sure who can I wind up if not you and hey, ya know I love the craic?? :D
Now where is that damn long shafted ear bud thingy??
 
ragingbull

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JoeH said:
I would imagine
943 cases in the North today 1:6 ratio on testing
Clubs in parts of the county experiencing high numbers of cases and in their community
Schools and parts of schools closing

It does say suspended so perhaps its for a few days to allow all those affected some space

If you get it you have to isolate which could mean no work

It's a tough, tough call but at this time probably the right one.
Stay safe, stay away from gatherings in enclosed spaces like bars who are not applying the public guidelines
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People aren't even isolating properly when they come back from other countries or when ever their to isolate
 
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Armaghball

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Realistically if no one was tested and we treated this like the usual flu/cold, we wouldnt even see a difference in any other years. Whole thing has gone mad.
 
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Peter grimes

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Eireogatron said:
To be honest with you, from several personal experiences with this thing both on myself and with relatives who are in the 1% and contracted it, alongside questionable records of causes of death, I am now a massive sceptic having stringently adhered to the previous lockdown to the detriment of my family's immediate mental and physical wellbeing.

The British government have already said up to 90% of tests are potentially false positive (Dominic raab said 93%), hospital beds currently used by covid sit at 1% of capacity and that includes all people who tested positive while already in hospital so even that is false data.

The South's own govt statistics website says that 7, yes 7 people under 70 without a serious health condition have died from the virus IN TOTAL in the state.

Hundreds of independent virologists, red brick university professors and other experts are speaking up as to the gross over estimations being given out and the true impact on society. We're stuck with Whitty and Ballance, the doomsday merchants leading the Brits with our counterparts on the hill following suit. Note that the govt medical advisers predicted 500,000 deaths from BSE, millions from SARS and over 65,000 from swine flu....

I know numerous heavily sick "at risk" people who have had it and didn't even know.

We've already been assured outdoor activity has minimal chance of transmission. I, for example, tested positive due to my late father being in Haematology as that cluster was announced and not a single other member of our team tested positive despite me training twice with them before we found out and isolated.... Now people are being told not to test without symptoms but isolate anyway. It's a load of absolute nonsense.

80% of deaths in the North linked to care homes and the extremely elderly. Why not put safety buffers in place for the vulnerable to help them stay protected, comfortable and the rest of the population try to reach a form of normality, albeit phased in? And I'm not saying lock them away, they are valuable people with every bit as much rights as anyone else and should be protected but locking away the 99% to protect the 1% and potentially sky rocketing child poverty, people losing jobs and houses, sports clubs going bust, depression, cancer referral delays etc etc etc is madness imo.


This virus is here and we have to live with it. Lockdowns every other month isn't gonna help.

Listen, that's my opinion (the polar opposite of what I thought in April) and I admit it won't be everyone's but I've formed it through trying to get as much information as possible and also through personal experiences (and I'm not a conspiracy theorist, anti-vaxxer or tin hat merchant lol)

PS - today the BBC are reporting the spread is slowing in England... Yesterday it was doomsday.
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Be as sceptical as you like but be sceptical based on facts. Dominic’s Raab stat is essentially bollocks. Be careful where you get your news.

the hospital bed situation is encouraging. Not a cause for frustration. When Covid spreads it can do so exponentially. There is a 2-4 week lead in time to hospitalisations. The numbers of beds are extremely difficult to forecast when dealing with exponential growths. If you have say 5 clusters and a virus that doubles every 8 days you will need a fraction of the beds of what you would need with say 10 clusters and a virus doubling every 3 days. A strategy that thinks it can deliver the beds just as it’s needs them would be murderous idiocy. Respectfully I would ask you to reflect upon your words.

outdoor events are safer than indoor. But how many people would you let use the toilets at Athletic grounds? Would you ask them to leave the premises if they didn’t was their hands? How far would you make them stand/sit apart? Would you police that? How would you work points of entry and exit?

training and club games present a different set of risks

what are the buffers that will protect care homes? Can domestics, care assistants, nurses and doctors enjoy the freedoms you want to give to the 99%?

but most importantly sincerest sympathies on your recent loss. I can’t agree with you wider message but we can all agree that loss is painful and whilst we cannot eliminate it we have to be sensible
 
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Bo Darville

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Eireogatron said:
Basically, 2 forkhill county lads (may) have covid, suspend the whole season so the county team can get promoted.
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I know your opinion is based on your own experience but you also need to recognise that as with all illnesses (and just about everything else) people can have vastly different experiences. Two people can have breast cancer and one dies within months while the other makes a full recovery, the normal seasonal flu can knock one person out while the next barely notices it.

I also have first hand experience of Coronavirus and it is far from pleasant. A test would not have been required to know about it. Watching a young fit person struggling to catch a breath is not nice.

I agree that locking down the whole of society is not feasible and an approach that is centred on protecting the most vulnerable would work better as we try to protect the economy however recreational football is well down my list.

To be clear, it is not ‘basically 2 Forkhill lads’ there are numerous clubs across the county advising that they can’t play this week due to multiple players being unwell. This is unlikely to improve in the weeks ahead.
 
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Eireogatron

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Peter grimes said:
Be as sceptical as you like but be sceptical based on facts. Dominic’s Raab stat is essentially bollocks. Be careful where you get your news.

the hospital bed situation is encouraging. Not a cause for frustration. When Covid spreads it can do so exponentially. There is a 2-4 week lead in time to hospitalisations. The numbers of beds are extremely difficult to forecast when dealing with exponential growths. If you have say 5 clusters and a virus that doubles every 8 days you will need a fraction of the beds of what you would need with say 10 clusters and a virus doubling every 3 days. A strategy that thinks it can deliver the beds just as it’s needs them would be murderous idiocy. Respectfully I would ask you to reflect upon your words.

outdoor events are safer than indoor. But how many people would you let use the toilets at Athletic grounds? Would you ask them to leave the premises if they didn’t was their hands? How far would you make them stand/sit apart? Would you police that? How would you work points of entry and exit?

training and club games present a different set of risks

what are the buffers that will protect care homes? Can domestics, care assistants, nurses and doctors enjoy the freedoms you want to give to the 99%?

but most importantly sincerest sympathies on your recent loss. I can’t agree with you wider message but we can all agree that loss is painful and whilst we cannot eliminate it we have to be sensible
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Thanks very much, I appreciate your last comment greatly.

Raab was an example of govt incompetence rather than definitive evidence tbf. However many epidemiology experts are saying the same thing, Dr Carl Heneghan, head of evidence based medicine for Oxford University has said both the tests themselves and the data interpretation is seriously flawed and inaccurate. I know someone who registered for the test, didn't take it and got a positive result the next day!

Anyway, difference of opinions that's what forums are about.
 
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Eireogatron

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Bo Darville said:
I know your opinion is based on your own experience but you also need to recognise that as with all illnesses (and just about everything else) people can have vastly different experiences. Two people can have breast cancer and one dies within months while the other makes a full recovery, the normal seasonal flu can knock one person out while the next barely notices it.

I also have first hand experience of Coronavirus and it is far from pleasant. A test would not have been required to know about it. Watching a young fit person struggling to catch a breath is not nice.

I agree that locking down the whole of society is not feasible and an approach that is centred on protecting the most vulnerable would work better as we try to protect the economy however recreational football is well down my list.

To be clear, it is not ‘basically 2 Forkhill lads’ there are numerous clubs across the county advising that they can’t play this week due to multiple players being unwell. This is unlikely to improve in the weeks ahead.
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You misinterpret my meaning, I realise there are more than 2 forkhill lads but my point was that now that it's hit the county team we're shutting down to protect them.

Additionally, I'm genuinely sorry about your bad experience, I hope everything is now ok and improving. I totally recognise the virus is real I'm not a conspiracy crackpot or anti-vaxxer. People will get sick, fact, I recognise that. I had a flu in 2003 that completely incapacitated me for a full month, to the extent that my parents had to get medics out and they thought I had contracted meningitis. But many equally important issues are getting neglected in society imo - cancer treatment, surgeries, IVF, child poverty due to lost jobs and homes, depression and suicide skyrocketed in the last lockdown etc etc. And in my opinion the numbers for this massive upheaval don't add up - 100 deaths under the age of 75 in the Six so far and single figure deaths in under 65s with no health complications in the south since 1st june (according to their own govt statistics website).

Medicine now knows more about the virus, numerous better drugs that drastically reduce mortality rates are working etc. More people are now dying of influenza and pneumonia but no daily figures for those...

A new approach is needed, and the most vulnerable need protected but I don't think that's under the remit of the county board:D:D:D
 
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h754136

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Eireogatron said:
Thanks very much, I appreciate your last comment greatly.

Raab was an example of govt incompetence rather than definitive evidence tbf. However many epidemiology experts are saying the same thing, Dr Carl Heneghan, head of evidence based medicine for Oxford University has said both the tests themselves and the data interpretation is seriously flawed and inaccurate. I know someone who registered for the test, didn't take it and got a positive result the next day!

Anyway, difference of opinions that's what forums are about.
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It would be advisable to extend your scepticism to the utterings of Heneghan. And also the likes of Sikora or Gupta, for that matter.

Credentialled as they may be, their analyses are not shared by the overwhelming majority of experts studying the virus.
 
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Eireogatron

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h754136 said:
It would be advisable to extend your scepticism to the utterings of Heneghan. And also the likes of Sikora or Gupta, for that matter.

Credentialled as they may be, their analyses are not shared by the overwhelming majority of experts studying the virus.
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Debatable. Also depends where the experts funding comes from....
 
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Eireogatron

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h754136 said:
So these few boys are the virtuous holdouts, and everyone else is taking backhanders to mislead the public? I thought you said you weren't a conspiracy crackpot?!
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Eh? What are you on about?? Experts/Studies are funded by different bodies/individuals/governments, that's a fact. Studies are not arbitrary, they have a purpose whether that be developing a vaccine, establishing contagiousness etc, that's also a fact. Depending on the hypothesis, purpose of a study etc different and sometimes contradictory conclusions are established by rival studies, that's also a fact.

I didn't say certain "experts" were 100% correct, or incorrect for that matter. Nor did I say that there is some sort of conspiracy at large.

What I did say was that there are numerous experts, extremely respected and credible who challenge the govt experts.

Finally, the original point was about false positives which the govt have themselves said are happening, with one minister estimating up to 93%.

Please do point out what part of that is either conspiracy led or incorrect.
 
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Peter grimes

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Eireogatron you are absolutely correct that a government minister did refer to 93% false positives but that really shouldn’t be repeated.

To be clear it’s absolutely false for anyone to claim that 93% of people diagnosed with Covid don’t in fact have it. So please don’t repeat it.

it would be extremely dangerous if people where to allow that non fact to influence their decisions
 
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Bo Darville

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Eireogatron said:
You misinterpret my meaning, I realise there are more than 2 forkhill lads but my point was that now that it's hit the county team we're shutting down to protect them.
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I actually understood your point and you are mistaken.

The two separate announcements from the county board were not as related as you might like to believe. The county team has a number of positive cases and the same decision was taken regarding that team as has been taken by numerous club teams in Armagh and elsewhere.

Separately but at the same time, which is not surprising given we are all one community, a significant number of clubs were advising the county board that they had cases and couldn’t play this week and in some cases next week either. When you added together all the affected clubs and their opponents a lot of clubs could not play this week. The issue was further compounded by the need to play all final round games at the same time as some clubs had concerns about the fairness of not doing so prior to the split. When factored in this left it almost impossible to play any games this week. Then looking at the external factor of an ever increasing daily infection rate and it looked highly unlikely that anything would improve until we know if the newest restrictions kick in and are successful.

So a decision to suspend all club activity was taken.

Of course you are entitled to believe that this was to protect the county team, but you are wrong.
 
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Eireogatron

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Peter grimes said:
Eireogatron you are absolutely correct that a government minister did refer to 93% false positives but that really shouldn’t be repeated.

To be clear it’s absolutely false for anyone to claim that 93% of people diagnosed with Covid don’t in fact have it. So please don’t repeat it.

it would be extremely dangerous if people where to allow that non fact to influence their decisions
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Ok, I'll concede that
Peter grimes said:
Eireogatron you are absolutely correct that a government minister did refer to 93% false positives but that really shouldn’t be repeated.

To be clear it’s absolutely false for anyone to claim that 93% of people diagnosed with Covid don’t in fact have it. So please don’t repeat it.

it would be extremely dangerous if people where to allow that non fact to influence their decisions
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So trust govt data but not the govt. Gotcha:D:D:D
 
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