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2020 season - write off?

Discussion in 'Orchard Club Chat - Football' started by armaghlad, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. lumpitin

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    I can’t see there being any Gaelic games played this year across the island
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  2. JoeH

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    65 days ago Armagh beat Fermanagh, 14th March
    Since then covid 19 has wreaked havoc throughout the world
    Most of Europe is now through this pandemic a few weeks ago and over the weekend soccer games took place in Germany. This will be followed by games in other leagues in June
    Golf, tennis and other activities have recommenced. The island of Ireland has got the virus under control and is heading the right way.
    65 days from now is the 22nd July
    By that date I would see training sessions having already started in early July if not sooner
    We will also see other sports up and running in the next 4-6 weeks
    Our walking tracks will re open shortly
    Small groups will be permitted by early June to train
    We will be living with this virus and its consequences for a long time. Are we going to wipe 2021 out as well? Are other sports going to take our young players away? Will some clubs never re-open again?
    What has happened has happened. Last week there was such intense scrutiny across the shuck when ingerland partialkt reopened - not much word about it this week.
    Everyone is waiting for others to make the jump. No one wants to be first.
    Today in the north and south phase 1 of re-opening took place. About time.
    I for one believe its time to open our pitches and start playing our sports again
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    Yep. Might never get a vaccine and this is no way to live.
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  5. JoeH

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    It might be unpopular but needs discussed.
    We can't hide forever and as we watch parts of the world open up they all have the objective of getting back to a normal.
    Schools will open in September, businesses are re-opening, churches slowly opening, and sports have started.
    If we write off this year we write off every year until, and I stress until, a vaccine is found.
    Remember there are no vaccines for some existing diseases - just treatments. There are vaccines that work but not for all.
    We will go back to work, we will interact with other people.
    Sport is part of that interaction - a vital part of society and how we live - as much as work, education, health, religion
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  6. PatMustard

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    I know what you’re saying @JoeH , and we do have to get back on the horse. But the easing of restrictions is a delicate act, and we just have to trust the head honchos that they get it right.

    A lot of us will still be at risk. Probably more so, as people will become complacent with lockdown easing. And some of us will have to use our own judgement on what we can do or where we can go.
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  7. Big Jim

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    77 days Joe. Fermanagh game was Sunday 1st March. 14th March was supposed to be Roscommon. GAA announced suspension on Thursday 12th March.
    Let's take a positive from that. The year we shoulda, coulda, woulda. It's a sign!!
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  8. h754136

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    This is where your thesis falls down.

    None of us are 'through' anything. You and many others may be under that impression, as case incidences and death rates have fallen, but realise that the country had to be shut down for months to get to this point. And, unfortunately, this was not a one time deal.

    The virus still exists and is still as infectious and deadly as it was before we all locked ourselves away. When things open up again the virus will spread again. And it will kill again. There is no good reason why it won't. There really isn't.

    When we get to a point where we do not have control of the spread of the virus we will have to be locked away again, for the safety of the most vulnerable around us. To do otherwise will be to write off the lives of tens of thousands of the elderly and frail in our communities. More of us need to understand that. And our political leaders need to better communicate it.

    Some work, some school, some re-engagement with loved ones will be possible over the coming months, but a football season or anything approaching normal life is fantasy material without a vaccine or development of effective treatment.

    This is a bleak outlook, but it's grounded in reality. People really need to get away from this notion that this virus has been defeated and normality is merely weeks away. More emphasis should be placed on readjustment to a new world where we co-exist with this thing, because that's the world in which we will be living for the foreseeable future.
  9. PatMustard

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    Yes, I missed that in the original post. Comes down again to what I said about being complacent. If people do become lax, we’re back to square one.
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    It's great to have an open and mature discussion about this

    Today https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/
    The CMO has said the virus is effectively eliminated from the community. This is what the figures have been pointing at recently. This guy doesn't make headlines for the sake of it - he has been exceptionally measured and forthright throughout this pandemic.
    We have been looking at such negative news for 8 weeks it's out the be jaysus up people and during this time absolutely right. But now we need to restart our living - the long term fall out is already huge in terms of further medical issues relating to the virus but also we have to seriously balance economics, businesses, mental health, education and basic daily social life.
    In my opinion, and it's just that, the right thing was done although I'd have be far more draconian in the shutdown. Now we need to live again and provided that figures don't rise too much we should open up more before cocooning becomes a lifestyle rather than an instruction.
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    Yes, open up surely if it seems like the risk has been minimised. But be prepared to bunker down if, and probably when, asked to do so again. This is the bit I don't sense many have grasped - that the virus can come back.

    Only time will tell if we're able to get the balance right when opening up so that things don't explode out of control again. The south seem to be doing relatively well on a lot of things, but I don't have much confidence in what we're at up in the north. And even at that, I'll leave you with this from the head of the HSE today:
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0519/1139223-dail-covid-19-committee/
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    I wish someone could convince me that the lockdown played any part in the reduction of cases. Sweden had no lockdown and its cases aren't any worse than those of countries that did. The fact is we may have to learn to live with this as we do with flu etc. TB killed 1.5 million people in 2018. Why did we not close down the world for TB?
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    Exactly and the flu kills thousands of people year in year out
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    Read something about Sweden having a lot of people living alone, and is a sparsely populated country. Whether that was a major factor, I don’t know.

    Of course lockdown must have reduced cases. Everyone at home... virus isn’t spread to workmates, customers, drinking buddies, neighbours, mass goers, bingo buddies etc etc.
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    Sweden is not comparable with here. Different environment, different health service, different family structures, different attitude to advice from authorities. And the jury is still out whether they should have had a more strict lockdown. Their case numbers are much greater than their immediate neighbours.

    The reason we don't lockdown for TB is that we don't need to, we have a vaccine. It's called the BCG, and we all get it.
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    BCG no longer given as a routine vaccination
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    Because it worked and the disease practically disappeared in the countries where it was widely administered. It's still on the go in developing world, though. We're going down the rabbit hole here a bit. TB death rates have little to do with the current pandemic.
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    Perhaps the point I wanted to make is that it would make more sense to lockdown the old, sick and vulnerable and allow the majority, to whom the disease poses little real threat, to lead as normal a life as is possible.
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    Who do you think these vulnerable people are? They’re us, our kids, parents, grandparents etc. Lots of these vulnerable people are us, or live with us.

    They’re not all 90 year olds around the corner in their wee pensioners flat, cocooning on their own with the cat. Give her a wave through the windy. You stay in there Sadie, it’s for your own good. I’m away to the beach. I’ll bring you back a loaf.

    And how do you know who the virus poses little risk to? Seemingly healthy people of all ages have fought for their lives with this virus. Others weren’t so lucky.

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