All Ireland Series 2025

Ouch It’s Francie

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Wuda been some amount of gurning done on here if internet was around, when they done away with those rules :cool:

"WHAT YOU MEAN ONLY 15 A SIDE!!!"

What a stupid comment. The rule changes were augmented over decades and decades, not done in one swoop. But sure if it floats your boat fair play!

Keep throwing the shit against the wall and if it keeps you happy …. it still smells…..
 

PatMustard

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Ethan
Burns - McKernan - O’Toole
McQuillan - Jarly Og - McCarthy
Crealey - Glass
Conaty - McMullen - Bannigan
Grugan - Murnin - Havern

POTY - Conaty
 

Ouch It’s Francie

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Beggan

Roarty
Mogan
McKernan

McQuillan
McGeary
McCarthy

Lagan
Murphy

Moore
Thompson
Conaty

Gallen
McCurry
Conor O'Donnell

Player off year Lagan
.
You’re not far off.. I’d swap Beggan for Morgan … but I’d put Grugan in there and I’ll fire this out as it was the Ulster Championship Callum O’Neill. I know we didn’t see him after but he had one hell of a season up to then.
 

Armaghball

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You’re not far off.. I’d swap Beggan for Morgan … but I’d put Grugan in there and I’ll fire this out as it was the Ulster Championship Callum O’Neill. I know we didn’t see him after but he had one hell of a season up to then.
It must be for the whole year as Rian got nominated and his only contribution in Ulster was gathering the balls and getting a big roar in Clones when people realised he was there.

Agree that Callum O’Neill would be in with a shout for Ulster.
 

Rufus T Firefly

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A lot of talk comparing last year's final and this year's, for me both finals where shite
I actually try, as much as I can, to be objective about these things, but maybe I just have too much of a vested interest to achieve that. I watched the entire 2024 Final again, in its entirety (including build up), and thought it was compelling. Our own David McKeown said on GAABoard recently that,

"I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was. The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one".

And that absolutely nails it for me. It again reminds me of the Brexit debate and the nature of the debate, with many spurious claims made to justify positions. Many of the criticisms aimed at the 2024 Final, were all on show in 2025, but there is little or no comment on it, as it does not fit the narrative of the brave new world of Gaelic Football.
 

Armamike

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Last year's final provided some great moments of skill and quality, alongside intensity and jeopardy that lasted right up to the final whistle. The quality of points from Conroy, Grimley, Conaty, O'Neill were from the top drawer. The tackle made by Ben Crealey and Joe's block under the most intense pressure at the end of the game can't be easily dismissed either. That's what we should expect or want from an All Ireland final. Was it free flowing or widely open? Nope. But it was a final, with the weight of expectation and pressure that that brings. Should we expect finals to be free flowing affairs? I know I don't. If it works out that way, great, but they are there to be won first and foremost.

For me the arguments around the new rules seem to boil down to how much people value open, free attacking football over all else. If that is your number one concern, then the rule changes are for you. But there are other factors here that are equally if not more important imo, e.g. the principle of letting teams devise their own game plans that suit the playing resources they have, the ability of players to kick scores under the most intense pressure and in the tightest of spaces. I just think these aspects have not been given enough consideration, at least publicly in the media anyway. That's not to say changes were not needed to improve the game, but there just seems to have been a lack of balanced discussion around all of this and there is a rush to fundamentally change the structure of the game for the goal of entertainment. Jim Galvin publicly stated his goal was to make gaelic football the most entertaining field sport in the world (or words to that effect). On the face of it not many people would argue with that as a vision, but just step back for a minute and think about how that might look in practice - end to end, high scoring matches (kickers not under huge pressure), intensity levels dropped, teams constrained in their systems/tactics etc. That's my worry, but happy to be proved wrong.
 
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William Of Orange

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I actually try, as much as I can, to be objective about these things, but maybe I just have too much of a vested interest to achieve that. I watched the entire 2024 Final again, in its entirety (including build up), and thought it was compelling. Our own David McKeown said on GAABoard recently that,

"I think the 2024 final suffers from exaggeration as to how bad it was. The 2025 final on the other hand is benefitted by a need to portray the current game as vastly superior to the old one".

And that absolutely nails it for me. It again reminds me of the Brexit debate and the nature of the debate, with many spurious claims made to justify positions. Many of the criticisms aimed at the 2024 Final, were all on show in 2025, but there is little or no comment on it, as it does not fit the narrative of the brave new world of Gaelic Football.
100% revisionism and trump style fact finding narratives were the debate has been totally lob sided .

The semi finals and final were better games competitively than last year by a country mile .

This bullshit on narratives about seagulls etc has just spread and become gospel , no one could take their eyes off the last 10 minutes last watch . RTÉ commentator spoke about incredible defending enthralling drama ,

I tried to welcome the new rules and gave it a go , but now their talking about getting rid of the number of hand passes probably in a bid to stop the running game of a Donegal and to a lesser extent ourselves ? The Ulster final was probably one of the best games this year so it makes you question the agenda.

The four up actually hinders attacking backs and hard working forwards…..

The two pointers has created a phony war between the midfield and scoring arc .

Our belief system is just like a mirror that only shows us what we believe.
 

Rufus T Firefly

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Last year's final provided some great moments of skill and quality, alongside intensity and jeopardy that lasted right up to the final whistle. The quality of points from Conroy, Grimley, Conaty, O'Neill were from the top drawer. The tackle made by Ben Crealey and Joe's block under the most intense pressure at the end of the game can't be easily dismissed either. That's what we should expect or want from an All Ireland final. Was it free flowing or widely open? Nope. But it was a final, with the weight of expectation and pressure that that brings. Should we expect finals to be free flowing affairs? I know I don't. If it works out that way, great, but they are there to be won first and foremost.

For me the arguments around the new rules seems to boil down to how much people value open, free attacking football over all else. If that is your number one concern, then the rule changes are for you. But there are other factors here that are equally if not more important imo, e.g. the principle of letting teams devise their own game plans that suit the playing resources they have, the ability of players to kick scores under the most intense pressure and in the tightest of spaces. I just think these aspects have not been given enough consideration, at least publicly in the media anyway. That's not to say changes were not needed to improve the game, but there just seems to have been a lack of balanced discussion around all of this and there is a rush to fundamentally change the structure of the game for the goal of entertainment. Jim Gavin publicly stated his goal was to make gaelic football the most entertaining field sport in the world (or words to that effect). On the face of it not many people would argue with that as a vision, but just step back for a minute and think about how that might look in practice - end to end, high scoring matches (kickers not under huge pressure), intensity levels dropped, teams constrained in their systems/tactics etc. That's my worry, but happy to be proved wrong.
Excellent summation.
 

PatMustard

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I've said it before but it bears repeating.
Our game is not all about scores.

I couldn't tell you who scored for the diving midgets in the 2003 final but I can still see THE block and who made it in my mind ( unfortunately)
I’ve blanked out everything about that day.

One thing they did do after the 2003 final, was alter the draw so that if both Ulster finalists won their QF, they’d meet again in the semi. Couldn’t risk having another final with two northern teams.

They seem to have used last years final as the reason new rules were brought in. The seagull final, God it was dull, people were falling asleep etc. Until Jarly Og outstretched his arms, the result still wasn’t decided. Unbelievable moments, scores, tackles.

Now, Kerry win by 10 points. Final is probably won in the first 20 minutes. More handpasses this year than last year. But everything is brilliant now?? Mad.
 
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