gael_force_orchard
Well-Known Member
I honestly still think had he kicked it wide the ref would have blown.
Armagh players remembered for one thing above anything else
- Thread starter PatMustard
- Start date
the real mouth
New Member
so Joe Kernan's whole career and the first thing you think about is him not starting an Ulster Final? I think the goal against Dublin in 77 would come to memory first. Wont even start on the rest - such a negative post !!!
PatMustard
Well-Known Member
It’s not a taint on anyone’s career.
It’s a thread on what some players will be remembered for, fairly or unfairly, both ends of the spectrum. Joe will be remembered for his goals v Dublin, but on the other side of it, he was remembered for 87 because it was such a big deal.
Marsden will be remembered for lots of positives things too, but I mentioned that he’ll always be remembered, unfairly, for the sending off in 2003.
the real mouth
New Member
so everything Big Joe did playing and managing - the one thing that comes to memory is 1987 lol
PatMustard
Well-Known Member
Well, it’s a thread more about playing careers, not management.
And it is a memory from the down side of Joe’s playing career (like Marsden’s red card).
We’re trying to deal with both ends of the spectrum here. We can’t be happy all the time like
JoeH
Well-Known Member
So someone can talk "negatively" about barry ohagan, marsden etc but once someone is "negative" about a former cross player its not allowed.
Either criticise all negative posts or say nothin
pablo
Well-Known Member
This is interesting trend-but it probably says more about the fickle nature of our recollections rather than reflect the true contribution of a player over their Armagh career. All about context and perception. The final minutes of the 2000 Semi Final were crazy dramatic. Seconds from getting through to the promised land and all of us experiencing an eye popping adrenaline high, that's when Bumpy made his error of judgement. As Pat said, he scored a goal in that game that helped rescue us from an early pummelling from Kerry-but because of the context for when that mistake occurred, for a long time I could not stop associating Bumpy with the kick that dropped short. I might be wrong about this-but in the replay, did John Mc not have a shot that dropped short also, one that could have won the game for us before having to go to extra time?
The actual reality is that if to be remembered for one thing and one that the most meaningful consequence to Armagh GAA, it is how Bumpy came on as a substitute in the 2002 final to help change the whole flow of the game and allow us to get a foothold in midfield that propelled us to victory. Bumpy and Tony Mc were the switches that won the game for us.
The actual reality is that if to be remembered for one thing and one that the most meaningful consequence to Armagh GAA, it is how Bumpy came on as a substitute in the 2002 final to help change the whole flow of the game and allow us to get a foothold in midfield that propelled us to victory. Bumpy and Tony Mc were the switches that won the game for us.
Why would negative talk about a cross man bother somebody form madden that much?
Got to agree with this. As most on here know I’m no fan of the DLB but I can’t even remember Bumpy dropping one shirt in that semi final. I do remember one dropping short but didn’t realise it was him that kicked it. As Pablo said, for me bumpy is much more remembered for his contribution in the 02 final.
PatMustard
Well-Known Member
@pablo I understand what you say, and the thread wasn’t meant as a slight against any player who gave their all for the county.
It’s just sometimes, maybe unfairly, something sticks out from a players career that was unfortunate or unlucky.
But we’re remembering the positive memories as well. Which sometimes can be unfair too, as a players career amounts to many positive things, but we just want to delve into the old brain, drag out the memories, to prevent us all from going mad.
It’s just sometimes, maybe unfairly, something sticks out from a players career that was unfortunate or unlucky.
But we’re remembering the positive memories as well. Which sometimes can be unfair too, as a players career amounts to many positive things, but we just want to delve into the old brain, drag out the memories, to prevent us all from going mad.
pablo
Well-Known Member
@PatMustard -sorry sir, post wasn't meant to be critical of anything you said and I totally get where your post(s) are coming from. Just pointing out and in fact agreeing with you how as fans, our memories can be fickle. The associations we link with certain players can be unfair and impacted by the context of the memory. Its an interesting tread that says probably more about us as fans than it does about any player. I always enjoyed watching Bumpy play-but for a while I could not help but associate him with that dropped kit. But in reality, his contribution to Armagh getting a grip on that midfield area in the 2002 final more than compensated.
Big Jim
Well-Known Member
Bloody Mexicans Pat. Can't trust them and their garlic breath..................What?? ..............That's the French? You mean to tell me that the French come from Mexico as well???? Well I never!
Sorry @pablo Gotta get a wee bitta craic somewhere at someones expense so I have!Anyway, maybe a little off topic and not 100% in line with the thread, but truth or dare!
I know it was only 3 or 4 years ago back in 2002, that Armagh won our only senior Sam, but does anyone else struggle to remember the entire starting 15, without checking Google, or an old programme etc?? Mind you I do remember well the line from Orchard Harvest, "Kieran McGeeney has the ball............." from a real Lurgan legend!
PatMustard
Well-Known Member
pablo
Well-Known Member
Bloody Mexicans Pat. Can't trust them and their garlic breath..................What?? ..............That's the French? You mean to tell me that the French come from Mexico as well???? Well I never!
Anyway, maybe a little off topic and not 100% in line with the thread, but truth or dare!
I know it was only 3 or 4 years ago back in 2002, that Armagh won our only senior Sam, but does anyone else struggle to remember the entire starting 15, without checking Google, or an old programme etc?? Mind you I do remember well the line from Orchard Harvest, "Kieran McGeeney has the ball............." from a real Lurgan legend!
Aye Jaime Grande y Patricio de Mostaza!
Cabrones!!
I hope my nearest and dearest and in laws never see that post. Never confuse anything French with Mexicans! The whole Cinco de Mayo thing is a celebration of Mexico kicking Les French Arses
PatMustard
Well-Known Member
ragingbull
Well-Known Member
The Franch also come from every African country tooAye, the French come from Mexico too. I thought you’d have known that @Big Jim
The starting 15 from 2002 is imprinted in my brain. Couldn’t forget a thing like that!
Big Jim
Well-Known Member
Ah that explains their AI final woes
(1-8 to 8-2 even then)
PatMustard
Well-Known Member
That’s just their football team.
pablo
Well-Known Member
Getting of topic, but just for the record....it celebrates when Mexican army beat Napoleonic forces at Battle of Puebla.
2010 WC victory was good...2018 victory over Germany was cracker. Wife friends and some Latin Americans living around the area were up at the house for that and they went loco, great fun
On a few occasions, family and some Latin American friends have come with me to see Armagh play. 2005 Ulster final was the biggest occasion-there were 7 of us, but Jaysus, they made a racket from start to finish. I remember the week afterwards the Belfast Tele making a comment about the number of international visitors (I think that was the term) who were there supporting Armagh.
Last edited: