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Is it time to consider new management?

Discussion in 'Orchard County Chat - Football' started by ShiftYa, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. ShiftYa

    ShiftYa Active Member

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    I think it’s an appropriate time to open this thread and discuss the topic, given that McGeeney’s 5 year contract is up and we have exited the championship. Whatever is decided I hope the county board don’t offer another 5 year deal, 2 - 3 is the maximum that should be offered to any manager.
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    2-3 years but on basis there is commitment to revamp backroom and support
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    Bo Darville Active Member

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    Slightly off topic, but when you talk about a 2 year contract or 5 year contract, does anyone know if a contract actually exists? I’m assuming not, given that ‘volunteers’ don’t need contracts.

    If a contract does exist, does it outline the conditions for termination by party?

    To get back on topic, I’m certainly not McGeeneys biggest fan but neither am I a hater by any stretch of the imagination.

    I don’t think we have improved much if at all since he took over, but we have changed. And that’s important. Basically we can’t change the past, what’s done is done, the decision now is would Armagh’s prospects for 2020 be improved if Kieran was replaced? In my opinion, it’s unlikely.

    The current team are loyal to McGeeney and playing for him, to change him would set us back 12 - 24 months.

    Tying up my two points, I’d be happy to see McGeeney stay in post but let’s not talk contract length. Take it a year at a time and set some very clear targets that must be achieved if he wants the next year.

    For me, promotion to division one next year is a must. Championship can come down to luck of the draw or one off day but league positioning rarely lies.
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  4. Armagh_paul

    Armagh_paul Active Member

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    Advantages of keeping McGeeney

    - Has the teams loyalty. I don't know if it is true that there have been players walking away from the team because of him or not. I have heard of one player and there are possibly more but unless they are substantiated I'll ignore them.

    - Knowing what McGeeney is like from his playing days and what players who have served under him have said he works his ass off for Armagh GAA and that shouldn't be underestimated. I always felt that the likes of Paddy O'Rourke were taking the board for a ride when he was manager and he did absolutely nothing to develop the squad.

    - This is HIS squad. He has put this team together. It could be argued the players were not there at the beginning of his tenure but now he has something to work with. Opposition always banged on about how we are a one man team but now we have threats all over the pitch.

    - If we brought in a new manager they could undo the progress. Going by the amount of posts on here saying how well we are playing, it seems to be the one thing we agree on.

    Disadvantages of keeping McGeeney

    - His record as a manager is poor. He had plenty of time with Kildare but just never seemed to get any further with them. I fear that the same might happen here and for two years we would have achieved nothing and other potential managers could have moved on.

    - Tactical changes have not been very forthcoming when needed and can be baffling when they are.

    - He never seems to pick the right backroom team. If he really wants the team to be successful he needs to get someone in to support him. If he got someone in that has been successful he can learn a whole lot from him. It's not just the players that learn it is the management to and this is a huge stumbling block. I hope we can get someone with a proven pedigree in defence, we can't get the basics in defence right for large parts of this season and this needs to be worked on as a priority.

    If the rumours are true and there have been issues with players in the past McGeeney needs to open the door for them to return. We all have to go to work and work with people we do not like - keep it professional.
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    Same POR who didn't take a free phone plan or Morgan Fuels fuel card?? Good man yourself
  6. PatMustard

    PatMustard Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I would keep McGeeney on.
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  7. niall1980

    niall1980 Well-Known Member

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    Keep him.

    I’d like to know the players who aren’t playing because of McGeeney. This keeps coming up but nobody can name them. Apart from the one who allegedly left the panel after being asked to reinvent himself as a keeper
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    KilleavyGael New Member

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    I'm always confused by the interpretation of Geezer's record with Kildare. Yes, not a great provincial record but he was facing a Dublin side with all the cards stacked in their favour and beginning to gather the momentum which has taken them to the verge of 5 in a row. His qualifier record was incredible with them and was within a whisker of taking them to an AI final - denied by a poor refereeing call.

    If any one of about 10 tiny incidents had swung our way on Saturday (Grimley's last gasp effort, the goal chances, Shield's foul, McLoughlin overcarrying for the goal etc) we wouldn't be having this conversation as we would just have dethroned the current Division 1 champions in their own back yard.

    I wouldn't be a huge fan of the man but you can't lay the blame for poor decision making by players at the door of the management, especially when we claim to be developing young players who are learning on the job.
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    Would we take Malachy O'Rourke, or 1 of the twin macs?
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    No, not at this time.
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    Think he has warranted another two years
    For mye Jim Mc Corry has been a great help but would like someone from cross to be involved or someone like Mc Ivor/ Malachi o Rourke to augment the backroom staff.
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    Geezer to stay, he himself has learned a lot about management and coaching . The team played a fantastic game in Castlebar. Well done to all So proud
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  13. ragingbull

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    POR did win the league with Armagh against his own county
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    Yeah and I believe that may have been the game when Down lost and broke the "Down don't lose finals in Croke Park" crowing. Haven't won too many since either!
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  15. ragingbull

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    If McGeeney does decide to step aside i hope it's only a Armagh man that takes the remains
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    Said it before - I’d love if McEntee & Geezer would take the team together and we’d have everything we need to push on and win Ulster in the next 2 years and grab another holy grail. But, not sure the two men see eye to eye and that’s just a pipe-dream.

    In the absence of that, Geezer for another 2 years - aim: win an ulster title.
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  17. JIMMY MAC

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    What is the expectations for the team? Do people think we should be winning ulster against a side like Donegal? The same Donegal that everyone thinks will be the only side to challenge dublin this season. Better than tyrone team who was beat in all ireland final last year? I think everyone needs to realistic if we get to super 8 it has been a unreal achievement. Promotion into division 1 next season should be a target, and super 8 should be the aim anything after is bonus in my opinion. I cant see how changing the management team would make much difference as all them players give everything for geezer and who else is out there that you would bring in? (Players) Not many not playing for armagh that should be! He has give everyone a chance starts with a training squad of 50 every year.
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    On the fence about McGeeney staying on. Reasonable argument that we have made progress this year, certainly the style of football is improving. However, there are niggling doubts about the quality of opposition we've faced. This weekend will tell a tale, if Galway and Tyrone win it'll mean that we haven't actually faced a Super 8 team this championship season. I think it would be wise to re-evaluate performance with this should this come to pass.

    What I do hope is that the decision on the next management team is not one based on a sense of duty or loyalty. There is no room for sentiment in sport. This decision is probably the most important since the choice of Joe Kernan's successor. I say this because our current team is NOT particularly young, despite the superficial media narrative based on this year's inclusion of a couple of 21 year olds. This age profile of the current side suggests that there are two or three seasons left in the group before significant rebuilding will have to begin again. Donaghy, Clarke, Shields, Grugan, Campbell, Murnin, Morgan, Forker, etc. - these lads do not have years to waste.
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    Grugan, Campbell, Murnin, Morgan, Forker all 27/28 have at least 5 years left. Clarke just turned 30 on saturday he will have 3/4 years left, only problem will he stay about next year. hopefully he does
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    Why wouldn’t he stay about

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