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Is it time to consider new management?

Discussion in 'Orchard County Chat - Football' started by ShiftYa, Jul 1, 2019.

  1. gael_force_orchard

    gael_force_orchard New Member

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    I didn't want to say lazy in my original post, but I completely agree, a lazy outstretched arm will cost us once or twice per game. Tackling with both hands is another bug bear, the rules state tackle with one hand, so the timing of this needs worked on. Finally tackling from behind with an arm over the opponents should, admittedly this can be a grey area open to interpretation from a ref. The thing is, I think these are areas we can improve on quite quickly.
  2. ragingbull

    ragingbull Well-Known Member

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    Why was the former Armagh player not prepared to put his name to that letter? Maybe he's a young player that thinks he may get back in the Armagh squad in the future under other management if he were to put his name to the letter then he maybe not ever be picked to play for Armagh again.
  3. niall1980

    niall1980 Well-Known Member

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    Former prominent Armagh player does not suggest that
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  4. Big Jim

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    The hand over the shoulder was clarified last year gfo and is now considered a high and potentially dangerous tackle. If you were to tackle over say the right shoulder with your left hand (attempting to break the ball) and your hand goes in a downward motion along the right arm, it's a tick for high tackle. If it was say the right hand and the arm makes contact with the neck/head area it'll be a yellow card. If it causes movement of the head, then it can be a yellow, potentially a red if the ref reads it as dangerous play with the possibility of causing ahead injury, but I'd say that would be most likely only be for something like a "clothes line" tackle.

    Again the one that I hate is the accidental tap on the ankle which causes extreme pain and head injury with the player going down clutching their head
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  5. DooReg

    DooReg Active Member

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    This goes right back to what Geezer's problem is about the tackle and that there is no clear definition of it. Everyone has a view as to what constitutes a fair tackle. "you aren't allowed to tackle with two hands"? Are you sure. "Rules state one hand" - again, are you sure or is this your interpretation of the rules as a player, spectator or having read the rules.

    The GAA Official Guide provides the clear definition of the tackle - it might surprise some.

    17. TACKLE

    Hurling: Any attempt to dispossess or reduce the advantage of opponent within the Rules of Fair Play. With the exception of the charge (fair), the tackle is aimed at the ball not the player.

    Football: The tackle is a skill by which one or more players may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rules of Fair Play. A tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. A tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact allowed is that in the course of a Fair Charge one player only with at least one foot on the ground , makes a shoulder to shoulder charge on the player in possession.


    There it is - no mention of how many hands you can use. It's all about relative interpretation of their perception of what constitutes "within the Rules of Fair Play".

    I love the one that says "which one or more players may dispossess an opponent". How many times playing have you heard a ref say "free - two man tackle".

    That's why we get inconsistent referee performances within GAA - its all open to the ref's view as what is "fair play"
  6. Mickey Gormley

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    I see there is a piece in the gaelic life on mc geeney today does it reveal his intentions?
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  7. McCoyDromintee

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    Buy it and find out!
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  8. Mickey Gormley

    Mickey Gormley Member

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    No because if its important im sure it will spill out
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  9. McCoyDromintee

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    Can’t wait until all papers are behind paywalls and people can’t scobe free stuff.
  10. PatMustard

    PatMustard Well-Known Member

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    You could always go to your local newsagents and read as much of the article as you can, before they chuck you out on your ear.
  11. PatMustard

    PatMustard Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm interesting article.

    I would tell you all, but it’ll cost you £1.30. The same price I paid for the information :p
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  12. niall1980

    niall1980 Well-Known Member

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    Looks like Geezer is staying according to the IN
  13. Mickey Gormley

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    Listen doesnt bother me that much still would wait to my wifes father buys it and read that one article then ;) I dont really read the gaelic life as I only really care about armagh and not the rest of Ulster. Truth be told if anything major happens its reported on FB or on here ;)
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    I agree, it always strikes me as a paper that is trying to justify its relevance with a lot of pointless articles. Sorry @McCoyDromintee. It's a bit like the articles in the Irish News in the run up to the championship where they do player interviews, its all just words.
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    As for McGeeney, if he is staying I think the back room team need a shake up. With all due respect to Paddy McKeever and Dennis Hollywood they have no experience of management at this level other than what they have learned with Armagh. Both these boys spend a lot of time shouting instructions. McCorry has the experience and has had success at club level and we know what he is about so I would be happy to see him stay on. My guess is Hollywood is a bit like Paddy the Bishop and will be there no matter who the manager is.
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  16. PatMustard

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    Looks like @ragingbull has a contender for the FBT - Forum’s Biggest Tightarse ;)
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  17. PatMustard

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    Well, to be fair, the GL has great coverage of county and club action, and all codes.

    They also have some cracking interviews with former players, which are a break from current players as you just get the usual bull, as they’re not allowed to say boo.

    Plus, they have the FF competition that I’m so far down the list, I think they’ve stopped counting my score!
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  18. Diarmi

    Diarmi Active Member

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    I can understand that it is very difficult to find enough to fill a paper every week but the feeling I get, if I ever read it, is that they have done just that, filled the pages with words, lots of pointless words. In fairness it could be just me, there was a time when I would have read anything about Gaelic even if I had written it meself!!
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  19. PatMustard

    PatMustard Well-Known Member

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    Player interviews tend to get monotonous. Quotes like “one game at a time”, “we’ll be respecting them even though they’re in Div 4” and “hopefully we’ll be in the next round” etc etc.

    But I suppose we all want to hear our team news and even the monotonous player interviews, as it gives us a glimpse into what they do, how they prepare etc, and it gets us excited about the next game.

    But as I say, ex players tend to divulge more and tell funny stories. Gregory McCartan was interviewed a while back and I laughed my ass off at that. Very funny man. GL do a lot of such interviews as do the IN.
  20. McCoyDromintee

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    I find that’s a very harsh summary.

    First of all you’re right. Three staff filling 40 pages a week is extremely tough especially when one is on holiday.

    However I feel we do an excellent job for variation.

    In a standard 40 page edition you’ll generally find nine pages of club - given voices, interviews and team news from Crossmaglen to Corrinshego.

    One of the best stable of columnists about in Joe Brolly, Kevin Cassidy, Gerard O’Kane, Cahal Carvill and Shane Elliott.

    Also, a hugely-popular training zone offering advice on everything from strength and conditioning, mindsets and, recently following the arrival of Patrick Morrison, goalkeeping.

    Then you’ll have an in focus interview getting a deep insight from that week’s guest. Next week for example I have a long interview with Alan Davidson. May seem a strange choice but it’s a cracking read - because of his honesty rather than any good writing I hasten to add.

    Also, a club focus looking at a particular club in Ulster or afar.

    On top of that you have regular county preview and news (nobody has broken more Armagh exclusives in the last five years than GL).

    Then the paper is broken up with your take a break pages, your fantasy football.

    I disagree strongly with the filling in with pointless words assessment and I find it hard to believe that any Ulster GAA fans wouldn’t find the product value for money given it’s very modest cost. (Papers are massively underpriced.). Hopefully you give it another go and enjoy it more!
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