ragingbull
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You want McGeeney outreally hope Tony doesnt get it want him to be next Armagh boss
Is it time to consider new management?
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Suil eile.
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Dessie Farrell apparently in the mix as well for the Monaghan job.
ragingbull
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everyone loves a challenge
ragingbull
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If Seamus McEnaney gets the Monaghan job again can't see Monaghan folks being happy with that appointment
Suil eile.
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Banty wants the job but I'm told a lot of the senior players would resist his appointment. Also told he is prepared to do it without " expenses" .
PutTheHighBallInLow
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Sure I thought they all done it free
Sure I'm sure Tony Mc will be the same
Mickey Gormley
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I love mc geeney but I would like to see someone else given a go by the time he leaves i think this team will be done and I feel we wont see its true potential but hopefully im wrong. An by three club all irelands tony is your man. Plus gets all the cross men onboardYou want McGeeney out
itsouryear
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PatMustard
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What cross men are we missing?
Maybe he means ‘Cross’ men.
PatMustard
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I’ve been thinking about this. What is our true potential?
Had we beaten Mayo (then Galway), we would’ve had to face Kerry and Donegal in quick succession. Could we have coped with that? And being 5/6 weeks on the go, would have stretched the panel to the absolute max.
I’m not trying to go all negative on the team, but the current structure is doing no favours to any county bar Dublin.
JoeH
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Seriously what cross men are missing?
Mickey Gormley
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Im not having a dig and I cant name anyone better lol But 1 gripe I have is there is a lot of players on our squad who play at intermediate level I dont get that. Well for example when Joe Kernan came in none of us knew who Francie Bellew was and he made his debut at 27 or 28. I just think McGeeney has been very loyal to some boys and think there is men who has annoyed him for whatever reason or players have been annoyed by him and made themselves unavailable. I just think 6 years is a long time and would like to see a fresh sheet. Personally I think we only need a few tweaks. I think we could be competitive against Kerry and Donegal wouldnt have liked to been in Dublin Tyrone group though.
PatMustard
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Plenty of our 02-05 team were from junior/Intermediate clubs. McGrane, McKeever from Ballyhegan were junior. Philip Loughran, Clady, was junior.
Plus you had TNN, Keady, Madden, Eire Og, Annaghmore. None of them were senior (although Madden were at times).
Mickey Gormley
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It was a different set up then with the old divisions as now the championship an league are sync only one i remember is Clady actually playing at a low level and he was obly a starter in 03 if i remember correctly.. But Ballyheagen were rightly up there. An so were tir na og. Not sure who played for annaghmore that was on county. Again madden an kevin mc elvena. Most of them were top of armagh football i.e cross mullbawn dromintee pearse ogs
PatMustard
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Shane Smyth was Annaghmore. Though he saw little game time.
Mickey Gormley
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I guess what i mean is there isnt enough senior players in our squad rhats vitally important. I know you get the odd exception like soupy an that. But personally i think alot of our main players are from lower level an perhaps that maybe is because they play county an cant play club an therefore the teams go dpwn the divisions. Hard to know
gael_force_orchard
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It doesn’t matter what division in club football you play in, if you are good enough you are good enough.
Mc Grane, Loughran played division 3 and 4 and were great players. Ger Reid although slightly before our real peak days was another example of a fine player from the lower divisions. Paddy McKeever would have played in Junior and Intermediate with Ballyhagan. Andrew Mc Cann would have played intermediate with TNN a few times as they seemed to yoyo divisions at that time. We had a healthy mix of players from all divisions and a lot of our players plied their trade at intermediate. However this is also where a stronger panel came in to effect as the in house challenge games between the 30 on the squad where of a higher standard then than they will be now.
Generally I am positive enough about Armagh in general, but I’ve an awful feeling of one swallow doesn’t make a summer. We were ok this year and that’s as good and bad as it gets. We were naïve and lost leads against Clare and Kildare in the league. Reverted to type against Meath when on top in the league as well. We were a man up and 4 and 5 points up against Down and Cavan, both games went to extra time and one a replay we lost. Monaghan were awful this year and we put them to the sword and no one expected anything other than that. Mayo have now proved to be poor enough and we played a shadow of their former team, a team that notoriously struggles in the early qualifier rounds but gets across the line (see Fermanagh and Derry games against them over the last few years).
We play in a far stronger Division 2 next year and that is where we will truly learn our level. We are miles behind this year’s Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry and Dublin. We are behind Galway and likely Roscommon as well. We are behind Mayo. Everyone else we will give a game to on our day. Flip a coin next year, would not be surprised to see us relegated to Division 3 and I wouldn’t be surprised to see us fight promotion. Ultimately I will be happy maintaining division 2 and I think we all should be at that. I think we have got carried away this year by a few half decent outings. But we have a serious amount to still do and with an older team that may not stay together. Don’t judge the Mc Kenna Cup as it means nothing, the league will be round soon enough.
I’d be quite happy to change McGeeney and I’ve never advocated a managerial change before. I don’t think we have improved in 6 years. In fact I think we are on the verge of going backwards and a kind Division 2 done us more favours than we were used to this year.
Mc Grane, Loughran played division 3 and 4 and were great players. Ger Reid although slightly before our real peak days was another example of a fine player from the lower divisions. Paddy McKeever would have played in Junior and Intermediate with Ballyhagan. Andrew Mc Cann would have played intermediate with TNN a few times as they seemed to yoyo divisions at that time. We had a healthy mix of players from all divisions and a lot of our players plied their trade at intermediate. However this is also where a stronger panel came in to effect as the in house challenge games between the 30 on the squad where of a higher standard then than they will be now.
Generally I am positive enough about Armagh in general, but I’ve an awful feeling of one swallow doesn’t make a summer. We were ok this year and that’s as good and bad as it gets. We were naïve and lost leads against Clare and Kildare in the league. Reverted to type against Meath when on top in the league as well. We were a man up and 4 and 5 points up against Down and Cavan, both games went to extra time and one a replay we lost. Monaghan were awful this year and we put them to the sword and no one expected anything other than that. Mayo have now proved to be poor enough and we played a shadow of their former team, a team that notoriously struggles in the early qualifier rounds but gets across the line (see Fermanagh and Derry games against them over the last few years).
We play in a far stronger Division 2 next year and that is where we will truly learn our level. We are miles behind this year’s Tyrone, Donegal, Kerry and Dublin. We are behind Galway and likely Roscommon as well. We are behind Mayo. Everyone else we will give a game to on our day. Flip a coin next year, would not be surprised to see us relegated to Division 3 and I wouldn’t be surprised to see us fight promotion. Ultimately I will be happy maintaining division 2 and I think we all should be at that. I think we have got carried away this year by a few half decent outings. But we have a serious amount to still do and with an older team that may not stay together. Don’t judge the Mc Kenna Cup as it means nothing, the league will be round soon enough.
I’d be quite happy to change McGeeney and I’ve never advocated a managerial change before. I don’t think we have improved in 6 years. In fact I think we are on the verge of going backwards and a kind Division 2 done us more favours than we were used to this year.
In the late 90’s early 00’s TNN, Keady, Ballyhegan and Madden were regularly playing Senior football. I played against all of them in senior league and played championship against Ballyhegan and Madden, with Madden making the final in 1998 I believe. I used to hate playing TNN in Garvaghey as it was always a war. The reality is the first 15 of the 2002 team were all either current senior club players or high end intermediate with 9 of the starters or subs from ourselves, Mullaghbawn (or Na Fianna in Geezers case) and Clans. In Clarke and AOR you had 2 players from the next best club teams in the county. Paul McGrane was a once in a generation player who was one of the most consistent MFs of the time, bettered only by Darragh O Sé in my opinion. McKeever, Toal and Andy Mc were great talents who would have been on any team at the time more or less and then you have Stevie Mc, one of the finest forwards in the game.
2002 was built from a team of winners at the highest level and unreal players. The current bunch are not there yet. I genuinely believe that a breakthrough at club level at Ulster and AI, not being arrogant but most likely by us, will bring an arrogance to the team. To assist with that I really think there needs to be a Cross man on the sideline but I don’t see that happening
2002 was built from a team of winners at the highest level and unreal players. The current bunch are not there yet. I genuinely believe that a breakthrough at club level at Ulster and AI, not being arrogant but most likely by us, will bring an arrogance to the team. To assist with that I really think there needs to be a Cross man on the sideline but I don’t see that happening
itsouryear
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We play in a far stronger Division 2 next year and that is where we will truly learn our level
Really??? 2 teams from Div 3 are crap.
Meath & Donegal are stronger than Cavan & Roscommon.
Plus I'd take Laois & Westmeath over Cork & Tipp anyday.
Armagh, Fermanagh (W), Kildare(W/D), Clare (W/D), Roscommon(L), Cavan(W/D), Laois(W), Westmeath(W)