League 2021
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It is sad but you might be right with Murnin.
We need defenders and midfielders. Is Shea Heffron an option for defence? With Donaghy not playing since lockdown he might be on way out. Is McQuillan back from Australia? It may be early for him yet but Cross had a young fella on their team this year who looks the part. Played corner forward.
I dont agree with any of your out ones. Shows how opinions differ !!
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PatMustard
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Jarlath Burns was the greatest thing since sliced bread last year, now after a few average performances, he’s out the door? Frig sake, some people are so fickle!
JoeH
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Maybe McQuillan in has serious pace
Conor oneill is an excellent player and Jarly Og is definitely for the future
Conor O'Neill has been around for about two minutes. Anyone looking rid already is an absolute eejit.
Og Burns was poor this year and has an awful lot to learn at county level. But the raw materials are there, and he is still relatively young for a midfielder. He deserves time and is definitely someone who can benefit from the experience of Division One football.
McQuillan has to be straight back in, if he has actually returned for good - no one confirming that.
O'Hanlon has loads to offer if he fancies a return.
Turbitt should start every league game in 2021 - it's fellas like him that have the most to gain from playing against the best opposition.
A new keeper also needs to be blooded.
Og Burns was poor this year and has an awful lot to learn at county level. But the raw materials are there, and he is still relatively young for a midfielder. He deserves time and is definitely someone who can benefit from the experience of Division One football.
McQuillan has to be straight back in, if he has actually returned for good - no one confirming that.
O'Hanlon has loads to offer if he fancies a return.
Turbitt should start every league game in 2021 - it's fellas like him that have the most to gain from playing against the best opposition.
A new keeper also needs to be blooded.
Not sure on the outs, there are players not to the level but you have to be realistic too.
in terms of ins of what I have seen this year
T McConville - Cross Goalie
Steven Morris
Cian McConville
O Hanlon and Higgins from Killeavey
Crealy from Maghery
Heffernan and McCambridge are certainly good enough.
People calling for Burns being dropped need to be realistic too. He is a young player who has the raw potential to be a very good player but in my opinion is a bit green and not as strong as those he is up against. I would give the majority of this squad and a few additions, plus the management, a year at Div 1 and see how they cope. This will be a true reflection of progress or lack thereof.
in terms of ins of what I have seen this year
T McConville - Cross Goalie
Steven Morris
Cian McConville
O Hanlon and Higgins from Killeavey
Crealy from Maghery
Heffernan and McCambridge are certainly good enough.
People calling for Burns being dropped need to be realistic too. He is a young player who has the raw potential to be a very good player but in my opinion is a bit green and not as strong as those he is up against. I would give the majority of this squad and a few additions, plus the management, a year at Div 1 and see how they cope. This will be a true reflection of progress or lack thereof.
ragingbull
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Ins Maghery Higgins,Creanley,Fox
Killeavy,Cosgrove,Mallon,McConville
Crossmaglen McConville(keeper) Morris,O’Callaghan,McConville(forward)
Killeavy,Cosgrove,Mallon,McConville
Crossmaglen McConville(keeper) Morris,O’Callaghan,McConville(forward)
You generally start to solve problems with the first issue, which is glaringly obvious with Hughes. Well below modern top keeper standard, especially on distribution, both in speed and variety.
Those calling for Sheridan to go. What’s this based on? He was brilliant the day before. Based on what we have in Armagh I believe he is County standard. Is he up to Donegal standard? No.
Anyone calling for Jarly Og to be dropped needs to take their head for a wobble.
What I find on these in an out discussions in that players who people need to go out are usually gone from the starting line up and panel completely by some people’s reckoning which I find mind-blowing.
Our out and out problem for me is overall quality of defender. We look loose as hell against better sides. Who are the defenders in the county not currently in the panel we would like to see?
Those calling for Sheridan to go. What’s this based on? He was brilliant the day before. Based on what we have in Armagh I believe he is County standard. Is he up to Donegal standard? No.
Anyone calling for Jarly Og to be dropped needs to take their head for a wobble.
What I find on these in an out discussions in that players who people need to go out are usually gone from the starting line up and panel completely by some people’s reckoning which I find mind-blowing.
Our out and out problem for me is overall quality of defender. We look loose as hell against better sides. Who are the defenders in the county not currently in the panel we would like to see?
Too Long Ref
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A lot of the same names being mentioned.
I do agree we need to freshen up the panel.
Crealey - yes. Only coming back from serious injury though and played very little football. Will need time to get back to level he is capable of. Should be back on the panel. Don't know why he left - was it to be based in England?
Higgins - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel.
McCambridge - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel.
Heffernan - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel.
O'Hanlon - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel. Was he going travelling?
I think the questions need asked:
Why did these players leave the panel in the 1st place?
Do they want to commit to county football?
Is our manager willing to take them back in?
Of the other names mentioned:
McQuillan - is he home for good?
McConville (Cross keeper) - probably deserves a call up.
Cian McConville - yes should be on the squad.
Morris - yes should be on the squad.
I couldn't see the Cross club happy though to have two McConvilles, Morris, two O'Neills, Comiskey, Hughes & Morgan on the county squad with no split season in yet.
I really don't think the issue is that we are missing standout players that are setting the world alight for their clubs but won't play county football.
I think we have more or less (bar one or two possibly) the best players in the county on the panel - the issue is how are we using the players we have on the panel and the coaching that these players are getting.
I do agree we need to freshen up the panel.
Crealey - yes. Only coming back from serious injury though and played very little football. Will need time to get back to level he is capable of. Should be back on the panel. Don't know why he left - was it to be based in England?
Higgins - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel.
McCambridge - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel.
Heffernan - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel.
O'Hanlon - yes. Opted out of panel. Definitely good enough to be on the panel. Was he going travelling?
I think the questions need asked:
Why did these players leave the panel in the 1st place?
Do they want to commit to county football?
Is our manager willing to take them back in?
Of the other names mentioned:
McQuillan - is he home for good?
McConville (Cross keeper) - probably deserves a call up.
Cian McConville - yes should be on the squad.
Morris - yes should be on the squad.
I couldn't see the Cross club happy though to have two McConvilles, Morris, two O'Neills, Comiskey, Hughes & Morgan on the county squad with no split season in yet.
I really don't think the issue is that we are missing standout players that are setting the world alight for their clubs but won't play county football.
I think we have more or less (bar one or two possibly) the best players in the county on the panel - the issue is how are we using the players we have on the panel and the coaching that these players are getting.
I sidnt know Barry McCambridge opted out. Shea Heffron opted out for study. Not sure if he would be interested in going back. I believe Crealy and OHanlon were both work related. I don’t see McGeeney having an issue with taking them back. He took Clarke back after all.
gael_force_orchard
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Lot of talk here about who to bring in and drop. All well and good bringing people into the squad but will they be given a proper chance, Mark Toal from the grange, drafted into mc kenna cup and league squad, didnt see any action in a back line that lacked pace and a comfortable ball carrier.
What I will say is that the level of the club game in Armagh is a problem. The big 2 clubs in Armagh city and the big Lurgan clubs are off the pace at the minute. They would agree with that themselves if asked. I know division 1B was not finished, but the Grange still had a chance at promotion to 1A and pushed Killeavy to extra time in the championship, a decent team and improving, but shows where armagh football is, big clubs not producing for some reason and some smaller clubs now in the upper echlons and holding their own. Maybe we need to think of another slight restructure to the leagues. But the likes of the harps and the ogs, the clans in lurgan, these teams need to improve to increase the standard of armagh club football. More teams need to push cross. Root and branch reform needed at club level and underage level first.
Mc geeney will be around next season as well, so bygones need to be bygones with any player alienated in the past. If your good enough to play county football you have to be invited back, end off. Both Mc Kenna's from the grange are good enough, Michael needs invited back, guile, creativity and scoring threat in abundance from the half forward line. Armagh needs its best players, at the minute we don't have them.
What I will say is that the level of the club game in Armagh is a problem. The big 2 clubs in Armagh city and the big Lurgan clubs are off the pace at the minute. They would agree with that themselves if asked. I know division 1B was not finished, but the Grange still had a chance at promotion to 1A and pushed Killeavy to extra time in the championship, a decent team and improving, but shows where armagh football is, big clubs not producing for some reason and some smaller clubs now in the upper echlons and holding their own. Maybe we need to think of another slight restructure to the leagues. But the likes of the harps and the ogs, the clans in lurgan, these teams need to improve to increase the standard of armagh club football. More teams need to push cross. Root and branch reform needed at club level and underage level first.
Mc geeney will be around next season as well, so bygones need to be bygones with any player alienated in the past. If your good enough to play county football you have to be invited back, end off. Both Mc Kenna's from the grange are good enough, Michael needs invited back, guile, creativity and scoring threat in abundance from the half forward line. Armagh needs its best players, at the minute we don't have them.
Eireogatron
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Bug Sheridan being made a scapegoat for yesterday is a bloody disgrace!! He's always played well in an Armagh jersey and was one our better performers in the past 2 games prior to yesterday. Works his nuts off, always chips on with a score or two, great engine. He's got more than enough credit in the bank for me.
Our problems are so obvious. We need defenders with presence and a goalkeeper with presence!
Our problems are so obvious. We need defenders with presence and a goalkeeper with presence!
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100% agree on Sheridan.
On the keeper. I worry that the grief our keepers are getting since hearty quit will discourage good goalkeepers from joining the squad. McAvoy, McNeice and now Hughes seem to be hounded out. The keeper is a position were confidence is key no matter how good he is. Hughes is a good goal keeper. I dont know if he is the best in the county. If he is we will have to work strategy around his strengths. Not every county can have a Patton or Beggan .