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Wide ball

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Mootz said:
It was because he had an advantage, nothing ridiculous about it. New rules including the 2 pointers has made the game 10 x better. Only have to look at some of the comebacks last season, and some 2 point efforts to win/draw games etc. far more exciting to watch.
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It's each to their own, imo we changed way to many things, I can't think of another sport in the world that would change their game just because to stop teams playing more defensive, now don't get me wrong I do think some rules work and the club game was in a bad way with exception to the top teams, but I think the county game was fine, yes we had bad games but the fans and pundits seemed to overly focus on the bad, like maybe I am in the wrong but what ever little chance a team in div 3/4 had of beating a bigger team is completely gone, sometimes keeping the score down was a win in itself now we will have a Munster team have to go man on man with Clifford and Kennedy and oshea (that's 1 of the 2 rules id actually keep) division 1 teams are not fit for it never mind a Clare or Limerick, It didn't happen last year but I can see there being way more hammerings, and I do think it's funny that Jim Gavin was made to be the saviour and although he will go down as the best manager ever he took one of the best teams to watch and turned them into boring machines, the whole take the % shot came from him, then the copycat nature of gaa came in dubs where the best and they do that so we will do it too, Jim Gavin is as much to blame for no long range shooting as anyone
 
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Armagh_paul

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Can't quite explain it but feels like the two pointers has completed destroyed defensive football which it intended to do at the extremes (i.e. blanket defence) but it has gone beyond this. The low scores i.e. one pointers should be low risk instead they are high risk scores. You cant help but feel in the coming years as players develop their abilities to score 2 pointers, attacking football is going to become lazy.
 
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Armagh_paul said:
Can't quite explain it but feels like the two pointers has completed destroyed defensive football which it intended to do at the extremes (i.e. blanket defence) but it has gone beyond this. The low scores i.e. one pointers should be low risk instead they are high risk scores. You cant help but feel in the coming years as players develop their abilities to score 2 pointers, attacking football is going to become lazy.
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Yes, I agree. Clifford hit a number of 2-pointers in the AI final. They were well taken, and Kerry played the game to gain as many of these 2 pointers as they could, as these are THE scores to get now. No point going closer to goal, with more bodies/less room, and you only get 1 point.

2 pointers are nearly as good as a goal, so why bother going for any other score?

We have some great forwards (Turbitt, Conaty, Murnin, Grugan) but most of them however are probably not renowned for huge 50+ yard scores. I think we'll see teams picking players based on their huge kicking power and ability to take 2 pointers, edging out talented players like those mentioned above. And the game likely morph into a spectacle where nobody will be inside the 50 yard arc. Why would they bother? What's that game the kids play? The ground is lava? That's the future :rolleyes:
 
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Armagh_paul

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PatMustard said:
Yes, I agree. Clifford hit a number of 2-pointers in the AI final. They were well taken, and Kerry played the game to gain as many of these 2 pointers as they could, as these are THE scores to get now. No point going closer to goal, with more bodies/less room, and you only get 1 point.

2 pointers are nearly as good as a goal, so why bother going for any other score?

We have some great forwards (Turbitt, Conaty, Murnin, Grugan) but most of them however are probably not renowned for huge 50+ yard scores. I think we'll see teams picking players based on their huge kicking power and ability to take 2 pointers, edging out talented players like those mentioned above. And the game likely morph into a spectacle where nobody will be inside the 50 yard arc. Why would they bother? What's that game the kids play? The ground is lava? That's the future :rolleyes:
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Going for one pointers/goals will consume more energy and increase errors. Two pointers have a better risk/reward cost especially if you have the players. I have not really engaged with GAA pre-season this year - there is excitement with the new rules but it has created aspects that are incredibly boring as previously pointed out. Some plays reminded me of Donegal when they would play overly defensive football and kept recycling the ball purely for possession. When it comes to closing out games this is what players are going to start doing and it really is going to be boring. You have to consider what these rules mean for the game in the future, they resolve some issues now but it is going to cause bigger issues later on.

Get rid of the two pointers, go back to the traditional scoring. Include a better defined rule of keeping four players up the pitch and open space for players to take each other on 1 on 1. We get the best of defending and the best in attacking.
 
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Wide ball

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Armagh_paul said:
Going for one pointers/goals will consume more energy and increase errors. Two pointers have a better risk/reward cost especially if you have the players. I have not really engaged with GAA pre-season this year - there is excitement with the new rules but it has created aspects that are incredibly boring as previously pointed out. Some plays reminded me of Donegal when they would play overly defensive football and kept recycling the ball purely for possession. When it comes to closing out games this is what players are going to start doing and it really is going to be boring. You have to consider what these rules mean for the game in the future, they resolve some issues now but it is going to cause bigger issues later on.

Get rid of the two pointers, go back to the traditional scoring. Include a better defined rule of keeping four players up the pitch and open space for players to take each other on 1 on 1. We get the best of defending and the best in attacking.
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Exactly that, I think keep the 4 back v 3 up but make it the 65, and the keeper cannot get the ball back from his own player in his own half, them 2 rules alone fix most of the problems, 4 back v 3 up creates more space for forwards and attackers, keeper can't receive ball from own player in his half creates a very big risk for short kick outs makes risking pressing high worth it, get rid of the arc, get rid of the 2 pointer, and get rid of the 50 Meters infractions, if someone breaks the 4v3 it's a free in from close. The line being the 65 makes it easier to keep
 
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Armaghball

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niall1980 said:
The 2 pointer (from play) is grand. If we were scoring more of them there would be a lot less chat about them.
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Don’t like it myself, case in point last years final.

As much as I hate the 2 point free you can’t get rid of it with the hooter in play, say a team is 2 down coming to the last, all the defence has to do is foul as the free can only be a point and if the hooter goes the ball has to go dead
 
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Onlooker

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The hooter idea is very flawed in the fact that it doesn't apply for the lower divisions 3 and 4 I believe but could be wrong. It doesn't apply to our club game either. Really you have 16 county teams playing one set of rules and the rest who aren't in that elite bracket play a different. Bin the hooter and give the control back to the ref. Nobody was ever crying about the ref having control unless he blew a team up on an attack. Human error that can be learned from.
 
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Armaghball

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Onlooker said:
The hooter idea is very flawed in the fact that it doesn't apply for the lower divisions 3 and 4 I believe but could be wrong. It doesn't apply to our club game either. Really you have 16 county teams playing one set of rules and the rest who aren't in that elite bracket play a different. Bin the hooter and give the control back to the ref. Nobody was ever crying about the ref having control unless he blew a team up on an attack. Human error that can be learned from.
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Yeah McConville was giving off about it on his podcast, different rules for lower divisions, then come championship the lower teams have to play with the hooter.

Not the end of the world but obviously unfair.
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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niall1980 said:
The 2 pointer (from play) is grand. If we were scoring more of them there would be a lot less chat about them.
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I think we have players that are more than capable of scoring them but for some reason it appears we put no emphasis on it. Once a team can master it and on a consistent basis there is perhaps no reason to work hard for one pointers and it is only one less than a goal so it comes at a cost to traditional football and at a cost to defensive football.

Whether anyone likes it or not we are stuck with it so have to play to the rules.
 
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Hoops

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Armamike said:
Agreed. I think it may have been Clifford the week before who had a shooting chance around the 21 and opted to move the ball out to the arc to create the chance of a 2 pt. Starts to look a bit ridiculous when players do that.
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is that better or worse than fisting it over the bar?
 
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winsamsoon

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Onlooker said:
The hooter idea is very flawed in the fact that it doesn't apply for the lower divisions 3 and 4 I believe but could be wrong. It doesn't apply to our club game either. Really you have 16 county teams playing one set of rules and the rest who aren't in that elite bracket play a different. Bin the hooter and give the control back to the ref. Nobody was ever crying about the ref having control unless he blew a team up on an attack. Human error that can be learned from.
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But a ref is allowed to blow it when a team is on the attack and the time is discretional so again we have ambiguity. A shot clock where the ball then afterwards has to go dead, allowing the play to continue is the best option. It allows the team chasing it to get that opportunity and it allows a team leading to end the game via the ball out of play.
 
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Armaghball

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Hoops said:
is that better or worse than fisting it over the bar?
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Depends, some of the fisted points we get are at times the result of brilliant play, running off the shoulder etc and if you’re running in on goal but theres 3 or 4 bodies in the way at an angle obviously a fisted point is the way to go.

Haven’t watch any highlights yet but felt at the time there was a few fisted points last week where the goal was on .
 
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Armamike

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Wide ball said:
It's each to their own, imo we changed way to many things, I can't think of another sport in the world that would change their game just because to stop teams playing more defensive, now don't get me wrong I do think some rules work and the club game was in a bad way with exception to the top teams, but I think the county game was fine, yes we had bad games but the fans and pundits seemed to overly focus on the bad, like maybe I am in the wrong but what ever little chance a team in div 3/4 had of beating a bigger team is completely gone, sometimes keeping the score down was a win in itself now we will have a Munster team have to go man on man with Clifford and Kennedy and oshea (that's 1 of the 2 rules id actually keep) division 1 teams are not fit for it never mind a Clare or Limerick, It didn't happen last year but I can see there being way more hammerings, and I do think it's funny that Jim Gavin was made to be the saviour and although he will go down as the best manager ever he took one of the best teams to watch and turned them into boring machines, the whole take the % shot came from him, then the copycat nature of gaa came in dubs where the best and they do that so we will do it too, Jim Gavin is as much to blame for no long range shooting as anyone
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Good points - the worry is that the re-engineering of the game takes away any scope the underdog had to compete (especially in one sided provinces like Munster). But as you say each to their own view on it - i don't see those who like the new rules being swayed much by this.
 
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Armamike

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Mootz said:
It was because he had an advantage, nothing ridiculous about it. New rules including the 2 pointers has made the game 10 x better. Only have to look at some of the comebacks last season, and some 2 point efforts to win/draw games etc. far more exciting to watch.
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It's ridiculous in my opinion because the natural order of things is for the forward to shoot when he's got a shot on near to goal, rather than run away from goal to score from a much harder position. I appreciate it's a risk and reward thing to get an extra point on the board but it's very engineered. I don't suspect the rule makers had this scenario in mind when they made the rule. But it's all about opinions and each to their own!
 
winsamsoon

winsamsoon

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Heres a point for debate saying as we are talking about the fisted point, look back at Armaghs Goal in the 04 final, was Soups ball meant to be a fisted point or a pass to McKay?
 
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