JoeH
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Agreed
The winner of the preliminary round should get home advantage
Ulster Championship 2023
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The winner of the preliminary round should get home advantage
William Of Orange
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Cavan going really well in Division 3 with a few players to come back , let’s be honest we will beat Antrim at home , but Cavan a team we have struggled against before away is going to be a big challenge.
PatMustard
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Is there a link anywhere detailing the All Ireland championship structure?
ragingbull
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2023 All-Ireland Senior Football Championship - Wikipedia
2023 All-Ireland SFC format explained
<p>With a new All-Ireland SFC format being adopted in 2023 the upcoming Allianz Football League carries added significance. Ultimately the 16 counties that will compete in Round One the All-Ireland series are to be seeded in the following way: First seeds: The four provincial champions Second...
Armaghniac
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Wikipedia is a bit unclear on the round robin stages.
Presumably, at this stage we are a 4th seed for this process, unless we reach the Ulster final. Wlll these be drawn for the A, B, C, D groups?
While provincials have been devalued, winning Ulster would mean that you are not in a group with another Provincial champion. The Leinster and Connacht provincial final losers might not be very intimidating, but some other difficult teams will be that draw, two of Galway, Roscommon, r Mayo and two of Tyrone, Monaghan and Derry.
Presumably, at this stage we are a 4th seed for this process, unless we reach the Ulster final. Wlll these be drawn for the A, B, C, D groups?
While provincials have been devalued, winning Ulster would mean that you are not in a group with another Provincial champion. The Leinster and Connacht provincial final losers might not be very intimidating, but some other difficult teams will be that draw, two of Galway, Roscommon, r Mayo and two of Tyrone, Monaghan and Derry.
gael_force_orchard
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Aye it's a bit of a minefield of a structure. It would be a lot better if the provincial winners only were gaurantees a spot in the all Ireland group stages. 4 provincial winners, previous years Tailleant Cup winners 11 best placed league teams until 16 spots allocated.
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ragingbull
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The tickets for the Antrim game are now on sale
PatMustard
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So, if we progress to an Ulster final, we’ll have to play 4 games.
Win or lose Ulster final, we’ll be in the group stage. 3 more matches. Finish 2nd or 3rd, a preliminary QF match. Then a QF, semi, final.
That’s potentially 11 matches. That’s a lot of matches in a condensed calendar.
The new format will realistically only suit the bigger counties with big squads and resources. We seen with the super eights the lesser counties with smaller squads, were out of their depth when it came to tough matches week on week.
Win or lose Ulster final, we’ll be in the group stage. 3 more matches. Finish 2nd or 3rd, a preliminary QF match. Then a QF, semi, final.
That’s potentially 11 matches. That’s a lot of matches in a condensed calendar.
The new format will realistically only suit the bigger counties with big squads and resources. We seen with the super eights the lesser counties with smaller squads, were out of their depth when it came to tough matches week on week.
Armaghball
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Not much time for lads to recover from little knocks and definitely tough going. I know if I was playing though I’d much prefer lots of games though as weeks and weeks of training.
Hopefully we get a bit more luck on the injury front than what we’ve had and Rian and Murnins injuries aren’t too bad and the likes of Crealy, Conor O’Neill, Morgan and Paddy Burns are back fit. Morgan mustn’t be too far away if he played for Cross at the weekend.
Peter grimes
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The draw could have been done by Carlsberg.
It could be argued that defeat to Antrim would be shameful but it’s not a debate we need to have. We won’t lose to Antrim. End of.
We really should be beating Cavan. Just read elsewhere that we are at the same level as Cavan. Not on planet earth we are not. We have the quality to beat them.
If Down beat Donegal it will probably say more about Donegal than Down. Down don’t have the players right now. They are a lesser proposition than Cavan. We should be beating them.
Whether we can beat Donegal or not depends a lot on what Donegal we face. They are a mess right now but surely they can rouse themselves for the championship? If you were playing them tomorrow they are there for the taking but in a months time things could be different.
Ultimately I would think that the team that comes through the other side of the draw will be raging hot favourites for the decider.
Seems unlikely that we won’t make the group stages. But if we want do to anything there then he we need to lay down a serious marker in games against the like of Antrim, Cavan and Down. These teams would have taken a pasting in Division 1 and it fools nobody to talk them up.
It could be argued that defeat to Antrim would be shameful but it’s not a debate we need to have. We won’t lose to Antrim. End of.
We really should be beating Cavan. Just read elsewhere that we are at the same level as Cavan. Not on planet earth we are not. We have the quality to beat them.
If Down beat Donegal it will probably say more about Donegal than Down. Down don’t have the players right now. They are a lesser proposition than Cavan. We should be beating them.
Whether we can beat Donegal or not depends a lot on what Donegal we face. They are a mess right now but surely they can rouse themselves for the championship? If you were playing them tomorrow they are there for the taking but in a months time things could be different.
Ultimately I would think that the team that comes through the other side of the draw will be raging hot favourites for the decider.
Seems unlikely that we won’t make the group stages. But if we want do to anything there then he we need to lay down a serious marker in games against the like of Antrim, Cavan and Down. These teams would have taken a pasting in Division 1 and it fools nobody to talk them up.
Armaghball
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You’re doing Cavan a big disservice there imo although we really should be beating them, they’re a solid mid to higher end division 2 team realistically and have done a lot more in Ulster the past 10 years than us! Also a team we tend to struggle against. I agree with the rest though
weeskitter
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Rafferty
McCambridge
McKay
Forker
O'Neill
McCabe
JOB
Mackin
Crealey
Duffy
Grugan
Soupy
Murnin
O'Neill
Turbitt
Subs :
Defenders : Morgan, Finn, Mackin, McElroy
Midfielders : Grimley, TK, Mackin
Forwards : Nugent, Cumiskey, McQuillan, TK, Kieran, Hall, McConville, Conaty
McCambridge
McKay
Forker
O'Neill
McCabe
JOB
Mackin
Crealey
Duffy
Grugan
Soupy
Murnin
O'Neill
Turbitt
Subs :
Defenders : Morgan, Finn, Mackin, McElroy
Midfielders : Grimley, TK, Mackin
Forwards : Nugent, Cumiskey, McQuillan, TK, Kieran, Hall, McConville, Conaty
pablo
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Agree with a lot of that but not in relation to Cavan. I hope you are correct but I think you are underestimating them.
We really should beat them-but come championship time, Mickey Graham has a way of getting them to raise their performance levels that belies their league status and any earlier form. I'm remembering how they ambushed Donegal in 2020 Ulster Final (that was 2nd year in a row they made the final). They have players and a level of organization from their underage successes a few years back that can make life very difficult for us. I may be wrong about this-but I think getting to the Ulster final may represent the only route they can qualify for the All Ireland series. If true, the game against us will be a big target for them and Mickey Graham will have been setting a strategy with us in mind for a while now.
You can be rest assured that even if a heatwave has gripped the rest of the country that week, Breffini and its pitch will be a God forsaken damp, mucky miserable boghole on the day of the game
I'm cautious and nervous about this game given they have been a reoccuring banana skin for us. But based on our talent, what we can do and if we are focused with right approach I do hope we will rip them a new one. I don't like Cavan.
Some squad when it's broken down like that
I actually feel the same about McConville. There is absolutely no reason behind why I think that, but I have suspicion come Championship he will start.
Peter grimes
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2 years ago Cavan won an Ulster title is slightly odd circumstances but very materially because Donegal absolutely froze. But hey they did win it and nobody is begrudging them that.
But since that day what have the done? Continued to fall all they way to Division 4 and are now bouncing back up. They got to a Tailteann cup final but again by playing nobody of any standing. For 2 years they haven’t won a match of real consequence.
Yes we have to take them seriously as you have to with any opponent but Cavan, even in Breffni, is a match we should be taking to them and seeking to dominate.
But since that day what have the done? Continued to fall all they way to Division 4 and are now bouncing back up. They got to a Tailteann cup final but again by playing nobody of any standing. For 2 years they haven’t won a match of real consequence.
Yes we have to take them seriously as you have to with any opponent but Cavan, even in Breffni, is a match we should be taking to them and seeking to dominate.
ragingbull
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If Paddy Burns & Nugent are fit both should start
pablo
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Could say same about Derry, in apparent free fall through the divisions and then bouncing back, albeit that has been due to a new manager and focus
Nothing you say I disagree with-but of all the Ulster counties, Cavan seem to have the greatest capacity to raise their game. As I say-in 2020 they ambushed Donegal and won Ulster, followed by a credible enough performance against Dublin in AI semi. Earlier that year we beat them in the league by 13 points-and even that score was flattering after they scored a jammy goal. Never in a million years that day would you have picked them out as provincial contenders. We've gone to Breffini before as strong favourites and come back chastized.
Again, not disagreeing with you-we should beat them but I am nervous as there always seems to be such a dynamic range to the level of their performances-relegated to Div 4 by Wicklow representing one end of the scale but seeming always to peak when facing us come championship time.
I hope and think you are right-but Cavan make me nervous. If we get past them we will win Ulster regardless who we play in final
Nothing you say I disagree with-but of all the Ulster counties, Cavan seem to have the greatest capacity to raise their game. As I say-in 2020 they ambushed Donegal and won Ulster, followed by a credible enough performance against Dublin in AI semi. Earlier that year we beat them in the league by 13 points-and even that score was flattering after they scored a jammy goal. Never in a million years that day would you have picked them out as provincial contenders. We've gone to Breffini before as strong favourites and come back chastized.
Again, not disagreeing with you-we should beat them but I am nervous as there always seems to be such a dynamic range to the level of their performances-relegated to Div 4 by Wicklow representing one end of the scale but seeming always to peak when facing us come championship time.
I hope and think you are right-but Cavan make me nervous. If we get past them we will win Ulster regardless who we play in final