ragingbull
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The mark needs to go it's been one of the worse things to come into Gaelic football
Ulster Championship 2024
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Berfaboy77
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Another sickner today, we should have drove on we went 4 up, we played too conservatively & let Donegal back into it. Watched the Sunday game, must say it looked a lot better on the box and I didn’t appreciate the quality of virtually all of the points scored by both teams. Thought Donegal got a few handy frees and ref was harsh on us at times. Donegal were very very accurate. Hard luck to players & management. We got so much right today…. Hopefully we can pick ourselves up & give qualifiers a good rattle
Peter grimes
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Very few people who will ever read this have the talent to be asked to take a pressure penalty. Even less have the balls to say yes. I have neither the talent nor the balls. So firstly I salute Shane McPartlan. He stood up to represent us.
Secondly, our season is VERY far from over. So talk of managerial sackings are a bit off yet. I do have a view on the performance of the current management and others are entitled to theirs but mid season sackings are the stuff of delusional minds.
We did a lot right today but still there were clear patterns in the problems.
When we press opposition kickouts the outcomes are better. So the decision to not press for long periods is based on what exactly?
When the opponent is struggling with the pace and intensity of the game we remove both the pace and the intensity. What is the logic here?
We have massive strength in depth. When we are losing our way in the final quarter why do we not make changes until the very end?
Season not over. Winnable group games. Need to show character.
Secondly, our season is VERY far from over. So talk of managerial sackings are a bit off yet. I do have a view on the performance of the current management and others are entitled to theirs but mid season sackings are the stuff of delusional minds.
We did a lot right today but still there were clear patterns in the problems.
When we press opposition kickouts the outcomes are better. So the decision to not press for long periods is based on what exactly?
When the opponent is struggling with the pace and intensity of the game we remove both the pace and the intensity. What is the logic here?
We have massive strength in depth. When we are losing our way in the final quarter why do we not make changes until the very end?
Season not over. Winnable group games. Need to show character.
Armaghball
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Wouldn’t say a bad word about any man who puts the hand up to take a penalty. Hats off to anyone with the balls to step up in that situation especially given our history in shootouts…. Shouldn't have got that far though.
Some of the chances we missed were criminal. Anyway, take the learnings and on to the next one.
Rufus T Firefly
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That was a match I so desperately wanted to win, as I felt this was the last chance saloon for many of our great players of the last decade. Therefore the defeat itself, and the manner in which it came, is absolutely devastating to me as a supporter. The impact therefore on the players and management must be off the scale. I feel desperately sorry for them all. This I feel is one that will be hard to come back from.
In terms of the game, I was not optimistic about our chances, so in that context, I felt we delivered an excellent performance - by no means perfect, but our best this year. I've no wish at the moment to analyse it in any great detail than that. Just gutted.
In terms of the game, I was not optimistic about our chances, so in that context, I felt we delivered an excellent performance - by no means perfect, but our best this year. I've no wish at the moment to analyse it in any great detail than that. Just gutted.
Ulster final is over. It is what it is. As long as we beat Westmeath we get through the next stage. Galway and Derry games mean very little. A chance to try and rectify some issues.
Getting through this stage should be taken for granted for a team with the quality of players Armagh have.
After this we are capable of beating anyone on the day as long as we stay positive. This season is most definitely not over. C'mon Armagh.
Getting through this stage should be taken for granted for a team with the quality of players Armagh have.
After this we are capable of beating anyone on the day as long as we stay positive. This season is most definitely not over. C'mon Armagh.
Nothing baffling about the marks. They were too far out, too far wide. Soupy had already tried one from the same spot and got it wrong. And Jarly Og certainly not the man for a mark in that position.
A golden score system would settle the outcome in a proper football manner
Muckser
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Don't expect Westmeath to be pushovers. They will be targeting us and feel they owe us one
Yeh I’m not sure if we make it out of the group or not. Any other year I think we would have a great chance of making it out of this group if not topping it. Honestly don’t know how the players can pick themselves up after this and if they do that’s an achievement in itself. I am heartbroken after that yesterday and I honestly can’t even start to think what them players feel
Gave the result a while to digest, I am not surprised at that result, Armagh over the last 4 games that went to extra time have been a couple points up in them all and immediately drop back and go way too defensive and it cost us again, I dunno if that is management or the players, but it is definitely something that needs changing, we flew out of the traps in the second half and went 4 up and missed a couple chances to be more ahead, then we went 23 minutes without a point, and I can't remember many chances in that time, Donegal where quick to make subs when they where 4 down and when we where in that period of no scores we where very slow to use what was a strong bench, it wasn't until 60 mins that we made a sub and then 68 until the second one, that for me is the losing of the game, donegal where not afraid to make the changes when it wasn't going there way, we where. Another one slip through our hands and my heart goes out to the players that have been there for years and nothing to show for it, well done to Donegal as they have come along way in a year and did it the hard way beating Armagh, Derry and Tyrone, it will be tough to pick ourselves up after that match and wouldn't be surprised if we go out of the group with a whimper
Purple Patch
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Don’t underestimate the possible retirements.
We need to be careful what we wish for.
When the two Brian’s tenure was over, there was an obvious choice waiting in the wings. I don’t think we have that obvious choice presently.
Our club, school and underage football is unfortunately of a poor standard. Realistically, we are punching above our weight. As disappointing as yesterday was, not least for those players and coaches that put their lives on hold for Armagh, we did very little wrong. Gutted, but time to move on and get behind them.
Purple Patch
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Those marks were not in the locker yesterday. The error was calling the mark, not the lack of use of it.
We turned Donegal over 19 times versus their 12. Given how good Donegal are in transition, that was an impressive one for me.
We move on.
Who you got lined up to replace him?
The mark by jarly og, he looked to the line and someone (I couldn't see of mcgeeney or another coach) told him to go backwards with it
Purple Patch
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Conaty kept him very quiet today to be fair.
Purple Patch
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I’d have told him no myself, he should never have called it. It wasn’t in his locker.
Purple Patch
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Clubs vote on management ……
The non taken marks show the flaw in the system. On both occasions it would have been smarter to continue to play the ball, Jarly Og for instance would have been better off going off on one of his driving runs straight for goals with a chance to create a chance/free closer to goals. The game is played in such a structured way that there is little, if any, creativity and risk taking. All teams are coached (over coached in my opinion) like that and this limits the teams who will win.
I missed the first half as I was on a long booked weekend away so was on a plane. I will do a more detailed post but the game should have been won in normal time, it should have been closed out in extra time and Christ knows what the reaction to another penalties defeat will be. Calls for management to go are premature mid season as we have at least 3 more games, and likely a 4th but barring an AI win this year then cha he is needed….
I missed the first half as I was on a long booked weekend away so was on a plane. I will do a more detailed post but the game should have been won in normal time, it should have been closed out in extra time and Christ knows what the reaction to another penalties defeat will be. Calls for management to go are premature mid season as we have at least 3 more games, and likely a 4th but barring an AI win this year then cha he is needed….
William Of Orange
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That was hard to take yesterday , to be honest I can't remember leaving Clones and getting home I was so numb , so I can only imagine how the players and management group feel , I think we all know that we left it behind us yesterday , Its our own fault we didnt win the game in normal and extra time , no point blaming players and management at this stage , we can have that debate at the end of the season , we now find ourselves in the toughest group of the series and it will be very difficult to raise ourselves up again .
Just on penalties whether they should be used or not will always cause a debate , but the fact that players that have gone taken a penalty already have to go again before others is a farce IMO , rules are rules and everyone knows whats they are before the match but surely it needs reviewing .
Just on penalties whether they should be used or not will always cause a debate , but the fact that players that have gone taken a penalty already have to go again before others is a farce IMO , rules are rules and everyone knows whats they are before the match but surely it needs reviewing .