ARMAGH U.20S

Eireogatron

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I have revised my previous opinion now that it has come out that Tyrone are appealing THEIR OWN breach of the rules. Absolutely baffling, embarrassing and in complete opposition to the principles of the association. Shower of absolute bar stewards..
 

pablo

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To be fair most of them (Midget followers) are embarrassed about this and of the opinion they should take the beating on the chin.
 

pablo

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Can't be easy this on Armagh players and management. Such a distraction for preparations. Only team that is benefiting from this appeal farce is Derry.
The paranoid anti Tyrone side of me wonders if that is the actual agenda here. Such bad feeling from the row/defeat that Tyrone U20 management and county board want to make preps for us as difficult as possible.
In all of this no mention of what punishment/sanctions for the row itself?
 

Sean Og

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I actually believe Tyrone know they have no chance of a replay, Armagh being kicked out seems to be the only rational explanation.
 

Big Jim

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I actually believe Tyrone know they have no chance of a replay, Armagh being kicked out seems to be the only rational explanation.
Not so sure Sean. I'm tending to be with @pablo with this one and think it's a tyrone agenda, but if Armagh were to be thrown out of the competition, that would be a punishment for breaking the rules which it seems the officials indicated was the way to go. What then would be the equal punishment for tyrone as they would have to be punished in the same manner and that would in effect be a reward for them as their game would be nullified. I agree there is little chance of a replay either as that punishes Armagh and rewards Tyrone for again the exact same rule breaking. A financial penalty is the only way a parity of punishment can be handed out as far as I can see.

It was different when Armagh were given an opportunity to replay their game against Laois (a decision we now know was daft) because Laois broke a rule and therefore got punished by the possibility of losing their win. It's a big damn mess, being escalated by tyrone trying to prove a point. A lot of their supporters are embarrassed by this and most realise it's a no win for either county as the whole country is talking about it instead of letting the nonsense that happened during the game die out naturally.

I know there are a few lads down the country talking about how tyrone used a similar tactic against them to get a win???????
 

Big Jim

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Can't be easy this on Armagh players and management. Such a distraction for preparations. Only team that is benefiting from this appeal farce is Derry.
And that's the bit that concerns me most. What happened to the duty of care to players especially the younger ones and their protection. Maybe stupidly I'm assuming they have all their exams sorted for the year, but if they're not someone will need to answer for the stress and strain being put on both sets of players. Even as far as the punishments, the CCC should have sat by now and had those sorted as far as possible with others to come sorted quickly. Let the lads know where they stand and move on.
 

Ard Mhacha 13

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Question, & no I'm not trying to be facetious.

If Tyrone lodged their objection in relation to a mistake/error made by the referee what will his punishment be arising from this incident, if, after all it was his fault? Let's for arguments sake say both teams are thrown out of the competition (again I wonder how this would be punishing the moral, upstanding pillar of conscience that is Tyrone but anyway) would the equivalent punishment be this referee not refereeing any further county matches? I am genuinely interested as surely the point of lodging an objection is to punish those at fault, in this case the referee who did not apply the rules correctly.
 

Big Jim

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Question, & no I'm not trying to be facetious.

If Tyrone lodged their objection in relation to a mistake/error made by the referee what will his punishment be arising from this incident, if, after all it was his fault? Let's for arguments sake say both teams are thrown out of the competition (again I wonder how this would be punishing the moral, upstanding pillar of conscience that is Tyrone but anyway) would the equivalent punishment be this referee not refereeing any further county matches? I am genuinely interested as surely the point of lodging an objection is to punish those at fault, in this case the referee who did not apply the rules correctly.
Yeah my understanding is that the ref gets removed from the inter-county list [in this case] for 12 months so a period of retraining can be applied. I have to say though, that I thought on the night that the ref and his officials handled the game quite well and up until the incident there was little for either team to complain about. Yes one or two strange decisions, but that'll happen in a game as we don't all see the same things.
 

Ard Mhacha 13

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Yeah my understanding is that the ref gets removed from the inter-county list [in this case] for 12 months so a period of retraining can be applied. I have to say though, that I thought on the night that the ref and his officials handled the game quite well and up until the incident there was little for either team to complain about. Yes one or two strange decisions, but that'll happen in a game as we don't all see the same things.

Ahhhhhhh so really us Armagh supporters are genuinely deluded in thinking Tyrone were just out to get us, :rolleyes: they merely wanted the referee to be punished for not letting them win. I hope future referees for their matches have noted this :D
 

niall1980

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Tyrone aren’t appealing based on players being brought back on for extra time. They’re basing it on the fact that one of the guys Armagh brought back on had been sent off - two yellows so must have been turbitt
 

Big Jim

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Tyrone aren’t appealing based on players being brought back on for extra time. They’re basing it on the fact that one of the guys Armagh brought back on had been sent off - two yellows so must have been turbitt
I thought it was the no.10 for Armagh that got the second yellow and red and thought that that was McQuillan, but one thing I'm certain of after having spoken to someone that would know is that Armagh at no stage brought on anyone that had received a red card.

The tyrone statement read that they were "objecting to the breaking of the rule even though they admit they also broke the same rule" which indicates they definitely aren't making it about the specific use of a player. It is solely based around the second phase of extra time (or extra extra time as some are calling it) and both teams restarting with 15 a side. Nothing more than that. If it were about wrongful use of a player, then they would have a case and Armagh could object all they want, but they would clearly be in the wrong and deserve to face punishment or sanction.
 

Berfaboy77

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i'd say theres a good chance both teams will be made an example of and Derry will be put straight through to meet the Connaught champions
 

niall1980

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I thought it was the no.10 for Armagh that got the second yellow and red and thought that that was McQuillan, but one thing I'm certain of after having spoken to someone that would know is that Armagh at no stage brought on anyone that had received a red card.

The tyrone statement read that they were "objecting to the breaking of the rule even though they admit they also broke the same rule" which indicates they definitely aren't making it about the specific use of a player. It is solely based around the second phase of extra time (or extra extra time as some are calling it) and both teams restarting with 15 a side. Nothing more than that. If it were about wrongful use of a player, then they would have a case and Armagh could object all they want, but they would clearly be in the wrong and deserve to face punishment or sanction.
Only going by what this guy told me. He’s a development officer in midget land
 

Big Jim

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Only going by what this guy told me. He’s a development officer in midget land
Yeah and to be honest Niall I'm going on second hand information from a similar source in Armagh and also close to the team from Portadown and they are adamant that no wrong player was used nor has even been suggested except on diving social media and I think that the source was shitetalk. They seem to be a horrible lot that can't see beyond their borders. He also said that the county board got a copy of the official video and they were able to identify the player in the subs area during both periods of the last two five minutes of extra time so that'll hopefully be enough to knock that on the head. Sadly though, "hopefully" won't win a battle!
 

niall1980

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Yeah and to be honest Niall I'm going on second hand information from a similar source in Armagh and also close to the team from Portadown and they are adamant that no wrong player was used nor has even been suggested except on diving social media and I think that the source was shitetalk. They seem to be a horrible lot that can't see beyond their borders. He also said that the county board got a copy of the official video and they were able to identify the player in the subs area during both periods of the last two five minutes of extra time so that'll hopefully be enough to knock that on the head. Sadly though, "hopefully" won't win a battle!
Aye. I’m just passing on info I was given too. I’m not sure how close this guy is to the Tyrone county board but he was at the meeting which ratified harte’s most recent contract. FWIW he thinks Tyrone should just take their medicine and the appeal is a load of nonsense
 
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