Senior championship 2022 & 2023

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bcb1

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armaghlad said:
Forget sentiment - the fact that Clann Eireann (and Cross) are able to field II teams that are pushing intermediate standard provides a stark indication as to what level our Junior clubs (and intermediate) are currently at. The onus is on those clubs to match or exceed the levels of Cross and Clann Eireann. In any case, I am confident a Junior championship medal means as much to those Clann Eireann men and their club as it does to any other player at that level.

Given the disparity in standard, seriousness, numbers etc; reserve football in Armagh is a difficult grade to administer. Having plied most of my football career at that level I know only too well of the lack of competitive football for the stronger teams - and at the other end of the scale the struggle to even field a reserve side for some clubs.

It begs the question would any other clubs consider fielding a IIs side for next year? Cullyhanna, Pearse Og & Dromintee have done so in the past with varying success, any other clubs have the numbers? A rising tide lifts all boats and perhaps an extra one or two teams at that level might help raise standards.
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Funny I was thinking that the Bridge might be able to as their Reserves seem to be a bit stronger than most.
 
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Wide ball

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I'm not totally against second teams because Rico Kelly for instance got intermediate games behind him and it got him into the senior team but it has to be demoralising for teams like ballyhegan and the likes to get smashed by a seconds team
 
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armaghlad

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Wide ball said:
I'm not totally against second teams because Rico Kelly for instance got intermediate games behind him and it got him into the senior team but it has to be demoralising for teams like ballyhegan and the likes to get smashed by a seconds team
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Ballyhegan were intermediate not that long ago and came up against better sides than Clann Eireann IIs. It’s not like CE demolished teams left, right & centre in Junior B either. If anything there might have been a bit of complacency coupled with facing an unknown quantity.
 
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armaghtimmy

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Wide ball said:
I'm not totally against second teams because Rico Kelly for instance got intermediate games behind him and it got him into the senior team but it has to be demoralising for teams like ballyhegan and the likes to get smashed by a seconds team
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Not really- if that's your level that's your level. CE done nothing wrong and that squad of players is a separate entity from their first team squad. In the build up to the final, Ballyhegan management and players would have referred to playing CE, not CE seconds, and they have a chance to right a few wrongs this weekend if they have the motivation, a luxury not afforded to many losing teams so quickly.
 
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OneofTwo

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The second team conundrum has kicked about for a long time. I am 100% in favour of second teams as clubs need boys playing football. If they have the numbers then let them at it. My only issue is that the current system is unfair as it allows too much movement. There should be a panel named at the start of the year which covers both league and championship and should a Junior player move to senior and play 1 minute of senior football then they shouldn't be allowed to go back down. Cross are masters of the movement between both.

Given the state of reserve football in Armagh (There are weeks when there was 10+ concessions) then it is only natural for clubs to seek other ways to find football. The problem IMHO sits with the County Board as the reserve leagues this year were a disgrace!
 
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winsamsoon

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What about the Silverbridge lads taking the points from the U-21 game against the Clans on the week leading to the championship final and being allowed to do so:( Surely there were grounds for postponement
 
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Wee man

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OneofTwo said:
The second team conundrum has kicked about for a long time. I am 100% in favour of second teams as clubs need boys playing football. If they have the numbers then let them at it. My only issue is that the current system is unfair as it allows too much movement. There should be a panel named at the start of the year which covers both league and championship and should a Junior player move to senior and play 1 minute of senior football then they shouldn't be allowed to go back down. Cross are masters of the movement between both.

Given the state of reserve football in Armagh (There are weeks when there was 10+ concessions) then it is only natural for clubs to seek other ways to find football. The problem IMHO sits with the County Board as the reserve leagues this year were a disgrace!
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I thought that was the rule
a player can move from junior to senior but once they field at senior they are locked in for the year
 
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armaghlad

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OneofTwo said:
The second team conundrum has kicked about for a long time. I am 100% in favour of second teams as clubs need boys playing football. If they have the numbers then let them at it. My only issue is that the current system is unfair as it allows too much movement. There should be a panel named at the start of the year which covers both league and championship and should a Junior player move to senior and play 1 minute of senior football then they shouldn't be allowed to go back down. Cross are masters of the movement between both.

Given the state of reserve football in Armagh (There are weeks when there was 10+ concessions) then it is only natural for clubs to seek other ways to find football. The problem IMHO sits with the County Board as the reserve leagues this year were a disgrace!
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Surely this is the case?

I thought that if anyone from the II team played a minute league or championship for the 1st team, that was them tied to playing there for the rest of the season. Have Cross had players drop down? Or have they had players sanctioned from county board to re-grade?

What I don’t understand is (and I have asked before) who is eligible for the Cross “reserve side”… is it a combination of players from both panels?
 
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Armaghball

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OneofTwo said:
The second team conundrum has kicked about for a long time. I am 100% in favour of second teams as clubs need boys playing football. If they have the numbers then let them at it. My only issue is that the current system is unfair as it allows too much movement. There should be a panel named at the start of the year which covers both league and championship and should a Junior player move to senior and play 1 minute of senior football then they shouldn't be allowed to go back down. Cross are masters of the movement between both.

Given the state of reserve football in Armagh (There are weeks when there was 10+ concessions) then it is only natural for clubs to seek other ways to find football. The problem IMHO sits with the County Board as the reserve leagues this year were a disgrace!
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Is that the CB’s fault if teams can’t field? Could maybe rank teams abit better rather than running the leagues based on location, although are lads playing seconds from south armagh going to want to tramp the whole way to Maghery of a Wednesday evening?
 
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Armaghball

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armaghlad said:
Surely this is the case?

I thought that if anyone from the II team played a minute league or championship for the 1st team, that was them tied to playing there for the rest of the season. Have Cross had players drop down? Or have they had players sanctioned from county board to re-grade?

What I don’t understand is (and I have asked before) who is eligible for the Cross “reserve side”… is it a combination of players from both panels?
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So if you don’t start on the Sunday for the first team then you can play reserve on the Wednesday. Presume it would be the same for Cross boys from both panels.

Some going to be able to field teams in all 3!
 
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Kem

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Cullyhanna had a ten year run at it with reasonable success but a serious emigration wave meant the numbers were no longer there
 
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Armaghball

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Must be the only club in Armagh to field teams in junior, intermediate and senior finals within such a sort period of time?

Edit: Clann Eireann have done it and actually won all 3, they won an intermediate 7 or 8 years ago!
 
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