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Rufus T Firefly

Rufus T Firefly

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PatMustard said:
Frigging penalties. If I’d bought a ticket, I’d want my money back. Disgraceful.
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Kem said:
A crap way to settle a match. A simple, fast and football way to decide it would have been to play for a golden score; restart game; first score settles it. I would suggest to the rules committee that they take their penalty shootout and the mark along with it and put them somewhere unmentionable.
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jpowell100 said:
Shocking way to finish a game
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I remember back in the day, we at Armagh Harps used to run our Eddie Rafferty tournament, and there were some great games up at Abbey Park in the early nineties. However, the reality of the time was that we really struggled to fit matches in with the timetables of other clubs, so where a match was drawn, it would be 5 '50s' each, instead of penalties, with points only counting and the ball could not bounce on the ground and go over. It was employed a few times that I recall.

I also remember an O'Fiaich Cup match in Crossmaglen being decided by penalties in the mid to late nineties. From memory, it was against Derry (I think) and Paddy McAneney was reffing it, and the decision to go to penalties seemed to be a very much an off the cuff decision by those out on the pitch. I do remember one well known Armagh City GAA personality loudly venting his displeasure at the ref as he walked out. The sense I got was that he associated it with soccer, which was the actual cause of his displeasure.

It is not a nice way to lose such an important game, but the reason it is there has to be seen in the context of a much more serious situation than football. That is why we currently have straight knockout in our Championships and a shortened league programme. When arrangements were put in place, there could not have been huge confidence about how much time we have to get the season sorted. Indeed such questions would still remain.

Some have mentioned a next score wins resolution, but again, there is the possibility of one individual error and a point and again we would be decrying the unfairness of it all.

I don't know what the best solution is, to be honest, but taking penalties is a Gaelic Football skill, so it is not out of place, even though it is so rare.

Incidentally, can I ask, was it open to the fifth Ogs penalty taker to score a point with his kick, to win the match? I'll be honest, I didn't read the rules on this but I'm assuming it was goals only?
 
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JoeH

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Rufus T Firefly said:
I remember back in the day, we at Armagh Harps used to run our Eddie Rafferty tournament, and there were some great games up at Abbey Park in the early nineties. However, the reality of the time was that we really struggled to fit matches in with the timetables of other clubs, so where a match was drawn, it would be 5 '50s' each, instead of penalties, with points only counting and the ball could not bounce on the ground and go over. It was employed a few times that I recall.

I also remember an O'Fiaich Cup match in Crossmaglen being decided by penalties in the mid to late nineties. From memory, it was against Derry (I think) and Paddy McAneney was reffing it, and the decision to go to penalties seemed to be a very much an off the cuff decision by those out on the pitch. I do remember one well known Armagh City GAA personality loudly venting his displeasure at the ref as he walked out. The sense I got was that he associated it with soccer, which was the actual cause of his displeasure.

It is not a nice way to lose such an important game, but the reason it is there has to be seen in the context of a much more serious situation than football. That is why we currently have straight knockout in our Championships and a shortened league programme. When arrangements were put in place, there could not have been huge confidence about how much time we have to get the season sorted. Indeed such questions would still remain.

Some have mentioned a next score wins resolution, but again, there is the possibility of one individual error and a point and again we would be decrying the unfairness of it all.

I don't know what the best solution is, to be honest, but taking penalties is a Gaelic Football skill, so it is not out of place, even though it is so rare.

Incidentally, can I ask, was it open to the fifth Ogs penalty taker to score a point with his kick, to win the match? I'll be honest, I didn't read the rules on this but I'm assuming it was goals only?
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Goals only
 
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Kem

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Rufus T Firefly said:
I remember back in the day, we at Armagh Harps used to run our Eddie Rafferty tournament, and there were some great games up at Abbey Park in the early nineties. However, the reality of the time was that we really struggled to fit matches in with the timetables of other clubs, so where a match was drawn, it would be 5 '50s' each, instead of penalties, with points only counting and the ball could not bounce on the ground and go over. It was employed a few times that I recall.

I also remember an O'Fiaich Cup match in Crossmaglen being decided by penalties in the mid to late nineties. From memory, it was against Derry (I think) and Paddy McAneney was reffing it, and the decision to go to penalties seemed to be a very much an off the cuff decision by those out on the pitch. I do remember one well known Armagh City GAA personality loudly venting his displeasure at the ref as he walked out. The sense I got was that he associated it with soccer, which was the actual cause of his displeasure.

It is not a nice way to lose such an important game, but the reason it is there has to be seen in the context of a much more serious situation than football. That is why we currently have straight knockout in our Championships and a shortened league programme. When arrangements were put in place, there could not have been huge confidence about how much time we have to get the season sorted. Indeed such questions would still remain.

Some have mentioned a next score wins resolution, but again, there is the possibility of one individual error and a point and again we would be decrying the unfairness of it all.

I don't know what the best solution is, to be honest, but taking penalties is a Gaelic Football skill, so it is not out of place, even though it is so rare.

Incidentally, can I ask, was it open to the fifth Ogs penalty taker to score a point with his kick, to win the match? I'll be honest, I didn't read the rules on this but I'm assuming it was goals only?
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The fairness of the golden score is that it is part of the flow of the game. Of course some player may miss a chance or give away a scoreable free but that is part of the game in ordinary time. The penalties is totally artificial. If fair play was the criteria you could award the game to the team who commit the fewest fouls.
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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Gaoth Dobhair and Naomh Conaill played 3 Donegal finals last year. Sun-Wed-Sun, as far as I recall.

Replay it Wed night, that’s 4 days gap. Then if semis are next week, play that on Monday night, that’s 5 days in between for the winners.
 
Rufus T Firefly

Rufus T Firefly

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Kem said:
The fairness of the golden score is that it is part of the flow of the game. Of course some player may miss a chance or give away a scoreable free but that is part of the game in ordinary time. The penalties is totally artificial. If fair play was the criteria you could award the game to the team who commit the fewest fouls.
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You could be right. However I look at the golden goal in soccer where a lot of the time both teams retreated into their respective defensive shells for fear of leaving themselves open to that one opportunist strike. Would the same happen in Gaelic? Maybe; maybe not. It's all hypothetical. My sense though would be that it would represent a scenario that is totally foreign to our players now.

What about referees? Would referees be afraid to give a scoreable free in those circumstances? Would they err on the side of caution, knowing that their very subjective decision was going to decide the match? Again, I don't know, but my sense would be it would put the ref under intolerable pressure in what is itself an artificial environment, i.e. next score wins.
 
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