Ulster Championship 2019 First Up It's Down 19th May

Armagh_paul

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Agree with this tho I don’t think Forker was fit. I would also start Morgan over Burns even if Burns is fit.

Geezer brought on Crealy and Murnin both of whom made telling contributions. Have to give him credit on those. Someone said Murnin was desperation rather tactical. You can’t lambast a man for poor substitutions and also for ones which work out

You would start Morgan over Burns because Morgan is the better player. So why on earth would McGeeney only play Murnin for the last 10 minutes of extra time?

I get that he probably wasn't match fit but it was a last throw of the dice imo.
 

niall1980

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You would start Morgan over Burns because Morgan is the better player. So why on earth would McGeeney only play Murnin for the last 10 minutes of extra time?

I get that he probably wasn't match fit but it was a last throw of the dice imo.
What has Morgan being a better player than Burns got to do with Murnin?
 

PutTheHighBallInLow

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Dont know where to start.
Delighted to get away with the win. We had the game won a few times and seemed determined to throw it away.

The negatives
Keeper - awful again today. Terrible under a high ball, needs to stay on his line as hes just taking himself out of contention by coming to try claim. Costs scores every game with kickouts.
Donaghy very poor on two of the goals. First goal he barely competes and downs 2nd goal he needs to try get across and put pressure on. Does the same at another time when instead of trying to close the man he retreats to the goal line and luckily the down player opts to fist over the bar.
Rory Grugan - awful display. Free in front of the posts was shocking and summed his day up. Should have been hooked much earlier, captain or not.

Tactics - some really odd things. Taking Rian out the field far too much.
Refusing to kick the ball in.
Greg mccabe playing full forward/our most advanced man in the first period of extra time

Positives
Jar og burns - monster of a display in midfield. Won ball, drove forward and broke the lines and covered every inch of grass. Coin toss for motm with Rian for me.

Rian - brilliant performance. Took some class points. Hes the potential to be top 5 in the country, the lad has everything but just needs the service.

Murnin - back from injury and got 1-1 in 2nd period of extra time. This lad is a class act, hopefully he can stay fit.

We got the job done in the end so fair play to the lads. Hopefully geezer and his coaching team have learnt plenty from today. The quicker direct ball into murnin, rian and jamie will destroy most backlines. Leave atleast 2 of them inside at all times and get the ball in!!
Good review.

Lot of negativity here.... granted quality was poor from both sides at times, but there were also some wonderful scores, Murnins goal in particular was brilliant. I thought it was gr8 entertainment all round. That said I agree some of the tactical decisions and also subs were very strange for Armagh. Putting a defender in ff when you have forwards on the line is a strange one, but in fairness Crealy & Andy made big impacts. On the day I thought Jarly Og & O Neill we’re absolutely outstanding. Grugan form would be a worrying at the moment, Soupy was excellent when he came on. I thought Hall strugglers. Defensively we were very poor at times, positionally and on our tackling. I’m not really sure what role donaghy plays, I don’t see the merit in him playing sweeper. Anyway all said and done, gr8 contest, we’ll done lads bring on Cavan.

My point is if we are going to play our best defender then why not play one of our best forwards earlier on?
Murnin is not 50% fit never mind near 100%, .
He didn't kick a ball for his club so far this year.
But he is a class act, his goal was pure genius
 

Nab14

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A win’s a win.

May not have been pretty and although there were frustrating moments and down are a div 3 team, they are a very tough team to play against as they’re so defensive. So credit to desire of players, in recent years we would have lost close games like that.

Hopefully this will give the lads a boost going into Cavan who’ll be tough but may suit our style of play more. The talent in the panel is unreal, some quality players not even in the 26 and o O’Neill, grimley and Murnin all to come back to fitness.

And finally, a massive 2 fingers up to those calling for geezers head during the match. If you’re a true Armagh supporter, wait until the seasons over and geezer bash all you want, give the team the support they need because it could be a long summer.
 

Patrick-Armagh

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Firstly, congratulations to Armagh players and management team on a massively important victory. I don't think anyone can stress enough how important it was to win today. It didn't matter how we won, we just had to win. Despite some set backs and adversity, we got over the line in the end and for that we should be thankful. Obviously there were big issues in the game today and I think that some can be explained, others not and some things just happen in a game and it can take on a life of it's own and all tactics and preparations can go out the window and before you know it, you're hanging on and looking like you are going to lose another Ulster Championship game.

I think there are many positives that can be taken from the game. There were a lot of fine performances, nor more so than from Rian O'Neill and Jarly Óg Burns, who were both outstanding. I questioned why Burns was starting today, mainly because he hadn't played that much in my memory, but after that performance you'd have to say he's a definite starter. O'Neill was incredible and for someone so young to put in a performance like that is very impressive. I'd also questioned the inclusion of Ryan Kennedy and Aidan Nugent, but both of them played very well. Nugent won a lot of break ball and Kennedy got through a lot of work and kicked two good points. Andrew Murnin's return was a desperate throw of the dice which paid off handsomely and it's great to see him back. Ben Crealy made some big catches when he came on and Stefan Campbell looked dangerous. Some of our play at times was very good, as it usually is, but we find it hard to keep it up. We showed some real character and guts to win that match, because you could see the confidence draining from the team as Down started their comeback. To get over the line could be a real physiological boost going forward.

There were plenty of negatives which will be a real worry for two weeks time. Our game management continues to be a major problem and our inability to see out games that we are comfortably winning makes me question about our mental strength again. While we showed bravery to win that match, the reality is that it should never have come to that. To be 6 points ahead, with 5 minutes to go, against 14 men, and blow it, simply isn't good enough at this level. I don't know how you solve this problem. Lots of players had poor games, which was frustrating. Grugan was as poor as I can remember and that missed free in front of the posts was ridiculous. Rafferty had a poor game. Clarke was pretty quiet through out. Donaghy blew hot and cold. Vernon was ineffective for the most part, but his pass into Murnin for his point was brilliant. Blaine Hughes's height and lack of authority is a major concern. We all know his kick outs are generally good, but his size was an issue for two of the three goals. Losing Burns and Sheridan to injury is a worry going forward.

Some of our tackling is crazy and just looks lazy and over zealous and leads to easy frees. Some of the decisions from the line were puzzling at times and still leaves a question mark over the management. I'm not trying to over think it, because sometimes in games, momentum shifts and key scores can change the balance of the game, which happened again today. Sometimes a big lumped ball into the square, when you have someone the size of Harrison in there, is all you need to create havoc. There's not a whole lot you can do about it and if you don't have players who can stand up to that size, these things happen. Yeah Hughes and Donaghy should have done better for the first goal and it is a frustrating (Cavan will be reigning high ball down on top of us for fun). Our lack of game management is what should really worry us going forward.

Hopefully we'll have Grimley back next time out and maybe see a bit more from Murnin. We are one game away from an Ulster final, so let's go into it in a positive frame of mind.
 
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Armagh_paul

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jeysus paul maybe cause Murnin has been out of football since last year you just can't throw him in after a long layoff with injures hes had

I know he has been out for a long time but I think he was just thrown on because McGeeney exhausted all other options and took a chance on Murnin who Putthehighballinlow in their own words said wasn't even at 50%
 

Throwball

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Wow. Some varied opinion on here.

If was easy to beat down in the Marshes in the championship it wouldn't have taken 63 years to do it. Add the that Armagh seem to have a panic setting when they go a few points clear. Nevertheless they won. Hopefully this will give them the confidence to kick on.

I felt each of the debutants had games they can be proud off. Burns covered every blade of grass. O'Neill is pure quality.

Donaghy didn't have his best game but I feel his knowhow is essential in the defence. Some have criticised but I felt Vernon had a steady game and was the right man to bring on in injury time. Despite the criticism most of the subs made a telling impact on the game. Although the McCabe substitution was odd management maybe didn't want to risk Murnin but had to as a last resort.

Hall had his poorest game in a while but everyone has a bad day. Similarly for the keeper. I feel Grugan on his day is a great footballer. Of late though he has been below power. He should concentrate on football instead of getting involved in silly things. Forker is systematic of the problems Armagh have against packed defences. Too often he gets the ball and turns backwards. Armagh have too few players that try to run of the shoulder at pace. Of the top of my head I can only think of Vernon , Donaghy and Shields who do that regularly.

Anyway it's great to win an Ulster championship game again. Hopefully players like Grimley , Oisin O'Neill and Murnin will be fitter for the Cavan game.
 

ragingbull

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Great to get a win against that shower and especially since we hadn’t won in Newry for years. Typical Armagh though never do anything the easy way.

I’ll start with the positives, Rian O’Neill is a serious serious footballer, I’d rate him as our most valuable player already at age 20, a class act. Murnin is going to be some asset if he can stay fit and between those two and Jamie, they’re an inside 3 any county would be glad to have. Jarly Og was very good for a lad making his championship debut although he needs to stop carrying the ball into contact and going down because not every ref is a clueless as that plank today and he won’t always get frees. Aidan Nugent and Kennedy were both impressive as well today and kicked a few nice scores. Soupy did well when he came on as well and thought Shields was very good and should have started. Crealy also deserves a mention won us a few balls when he came on.

As has been said, scoring 2-17 against a packed defence is no mean feat so credit where it’s due, but at the same time conceding so much against a poor side playing with 14 men for half the game is alarming.

I’m not one of the huge McGeeney bashers, but definitely will criticise where I think it’s justified and today there was a lot to be criticised about some tactics and selection today.

Morgan and Shields both definitely should have started, Vernon is a great servant to Armagh but I just don’t see a place for him anymore on the team. Too many of our big name players where anonymous today, Jamie was his classy self at times but was too quiet for long periods as well, Rafferty had a poor game and Grugan had an absolute stinker and should have been taken off far earlier, completely not his day, but both those lads are superb footballers and will be crucial to how far we go this year. Paul Hughes on Johnston was a wrong decision as well imo, he seemed to be too far off him a lot.

Our kickouts where awful today as well, Blaine has been very good for us consistently since coming in, but definitely had an off day today and should have done better for the goals. Don’t know why Murnin wasn’t on in normal time but he’s a nailed on starter for me the next day.

Plenty of positives and plenty to improve on if we want to beat Cavan, well done to all involved a nerve wracking but enjoyable game today.

My team to face Cavan would be

Hughes
Morgan
McKay
Hughes
Shields
Donaghy
Forker
Grimley
Burns
Grugan
Rafferty
Soupy
Jamie
O’Neill
Murnin.

Let the ball into those 3 early and no defence in the country could stand up to that. Harsh on Hall and Nugent not to be starting but those 3 forwards all have the ability to play inside or on the 45 and are all sharp shooters when on form, Oisin O’Neill won’t be far away either.
i like that team but why drop Kennedy he hasn't done much wrong when hes played
 

niall1980

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Wow. Some varied opinion on here.

If was easy to beat down in the Marshes in the championship it wouldn't have taken 63 years to do it. Add the that Armagh seem to have a panic setting when they go a few points clear. Nevertheless they won. Hopefully this will give them the confidence to kick on.

I felt each of the debutants had games they can be proud off. Burns covered every blade of grass. O'Neill is pure quality.

Donaghy didn't have his best game but I feel his knowhow is essential in the defence. Some have criticised but I felt Vernon had a steady game and was the right man to bring on in injury time. Despite the criticism most of the subs made a telling impact on the game. Although the McCabe substitution was odd management maybe didn't want to risk Murnin but had to as a last resort.

Hall had his poorest game in a while but everyone has a bad day. Similarly for the keeper. I feel Grugan on his day is a great footballer. Of late though he has been below power. He should concentrate on football instead of getting involved in silly things. Forker is systematic of the problems Armagh have against packed defences. Too often he gets the ball and turns backwards. Armagh have too few players that try to run of the shoulder at pace. Of the top of my head I can only think of Vernon , Donaghy and Shields who do that regularly.

Anyway it's great to win an Ulster championship game again. Hopefully players like Grimley , Oisin O'Neill and Murnin will be fitter for the Cavan game.
Agree with a lot of this however McCabe came came on as a black card substitution for Hall. It didn’t really work out but was probably the right decision at the time
 

Rufus T Firefly

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Given that we are really no longer considered to be contenders for the All Ireland or indeed Ulster, my expectations of the team are obviously a lot lower than they would have been fifteen years ago. With that, I try and condition myself to become blasé about the outcome of the game. Yes, I'm there and I'm wanting us to win, but knowing that ultimately titles are unlikely to be on the line, I try and put a lid on my emotional commitment as I hate being put through the wringer, to be spat out, drained and disillusioned. Unfortunately though the reality takes over at the match and as we conspired - as we regularly seem to do - to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, any pretence at indifference is shattered by the absolute rollercoaster ride of a match that unfolds on the pitch - a game that we seemed to have won on at least two occasions and threatened to lose again each time. My heart was thumping at the end, but the elation of victory made it all worth while.

I won't go through the game in much detail, but I do feel the result here was much more important than the performance. We have won, and are in to an Ulster semi-final, with plenty to work on, and my feeling is that the players will take confidence from that. There is a lot of talent there and there is plenty to build on and my hope is that the players will be able to step the performance up from yesterday.

I think most have analysed the game to death - for me, our two best payers were Rian and Jarlath Og, which I was delighted to see as I have been a bit of a doubter, and I thought Jamie put in an excellent shift. There were other good contributions throughout and there were others that were poor.

The red card was a definite red for me. Looked like a shoulder to the head and was potentially very dangerous. The worry was our inability to make that count with victory in normal time. On the flip side, we looked gone half way through extra-time and the way we responded augurs well for the character in the squad.

There is also a worry about the nature of the goals we conceded. Two high balls in, so there is a vulnerability there and I think that comes from a lack of height in the defence. I felt a bit sorry for Blaine Hughes yesterday. His height was against him and he will come under the spotlight, but I thought he could have had more protection on both goals.

And finally, I think I saw @portadownarmaghfan near me yesterday - certainly I was in ear shot of the fella calling for McGeeney's dismissal and whilst that is uncalled for, I don't mind telling you when the ship looked as if it was going down, I was thinking Geezer will be under serious pressure here. I'm delighted they pulled it out of the fire. Onwards and upwards!! :)
 

DooReg

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You would start Morgan over Burns because Morgan is the better player. So why on earth would McGeeney only play Murnin for the last 10 minutes of extra time?

I get that he probably wasn't match fit but it was a last throw of the dice imo.
I’ll tell you why exactly. Murnin wasn’t fit but was always going to get game time only “if needed”. He wasn’t needed in normal time - 5 points-up - cruising. Then bang!

At least he had the time to bring him on for 10 mins when he was needed in extra time.
 
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