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I’d like someone from outside Armagh to get it. Fresh start. No favourites with players. There’s no way McGeeney can get another year unless he reaches an AI final.
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I’d like someone from outside Armagh to get it. Fresh start. No favourites with players. There’s no way McGeeney can get another year unless he reaches an AI final.
Armaghball
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Something wrong if a senior intercounty player is missing a free shot from that range tbh.
So close again - but.........
Unable to get over the line - afraid to lose or afraid to win?
Heartbreaking for everyone concerned.
A few points from some posts above:
Absolutely no one is critical of McPartland - played well when he came on, scored the first penalty and someone has to miss.
A poster above says we are "capable of beating any team" - I agree, but we do not beat the better teams. It is a clear failing and for me that failing comes from the line, the approach, the attitude etc.
This will not change under the present set up, but we have to stay as we are for the rest of the season. However I think everyone knows that there has to be a change at the end of the season. Would we have won yesterday if the likes of Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke were in charge? I think we all know the answer and that is the difference.
Unable to get over the line - afraid to lose or afraid to win?
Heartbreaking for everyone concerned.
A few points from some posts above:
Absolutely no one is critical of McPartland - played well when he came on, scored the first penalty and someone has to miss.
A poster above says we are "capable of beating any team" - I agree, but we do not beat the better teams. It is a clear failing and for me that failing comes from the line, the approach, the attitude etc.
This will not change under the present set up, but we have to stay as we are for the rest of the season. However I think everyone knows that there has to be a change at the end of the season. Would we have won yesterday if the likes of Jim Gavin or Malachy O'Rourke were in charge? I think we all know the answer and that is the difference.
The reference to kicking it back from the marks is not a valid criticism. First mark too far out for Jarly. Second one on wrong side for soupy. Actually, they then got a 3rd mark from that play in a far more favourable position. If TK score that it’s a masterclass in game management. He misses it then we blame our game management. Can’t win on this forum.
Soupy slipped after he caught his too, that would be unsettling when you don’t have the same time to take kick a mark as you would for a free, on top of him knowing he missed from that spot earlier.
Jarly og seemed to call the mark because he slipped and had a Donegal man on top of him if he didn’t call it. Shooting was an after thought the not the plan.
Those two were both relatively early too, both before 70 mins so there wasnt really time pressure to get a score quickly. TK missing is evidence they weren’t easy shots for lads who aren’t free takers.
Our defence did exceptional in the final quarter in fairness. Donegal only got two shots both from the 45 in the last 16 minutes and we worked a couple of great turnovers. We had a couple of harsh enough frees against us in possession, the soupy one pushing out to rian, on mackin after a poor hand pass from grugan and when we had bottled up a Donegal player after grugans ballooned shot. Those 3 incidents plus Rian’s ballooned shot were the only times they won possession off us after Blaine’s poor kickout at 15-13, so those frees were hugely impactful calls.
They only had one kick out after it went 15-11 which was off TK’s mark, not sure which kickouts we dropped off that people are complaining about.
The way their keeper was under high ball, you give it a go?
The one that did go short wasn’t far away from in their net(we got a 45)
In the first half we gave them the short one all the time yet Donegal pushed up on ours felt Blaine had to work way harder to get kick outs away for the most part, Armagh finally pushed up and scored 2 in a row then dropped off again, I understand nothing pushing up all the time
winsamsoon
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Devastated for the whole Armagh set up yesterday, I was hoping that we wouldn't see a really conservative Armagh and It was a breath of fresh air that we didn't. I felt overall the game was very entertaining with some fantatstic scores kicked throughout. I think for large parts of the game Armagh beat Donegal at their own game, the minute a Donegal attack broke down or from a kickout Armagh where within the opponents 21 within 10-15 seconds, this was something Armagh weren't doing but Donegals attacking style perhaps allowed Armagh to exploit this. This would have been identified by management and clearly was something they had worked out. They got McHugh out of his comfort zone and on the back foot and as the game went on I really felt our lads were going to do it. I believe over the course of the game they just shaded it but unfortunetly came out on the wrong side of it again.
I felt Mogan and O'Baoill got too much space and were able to suck several Armagh men to the wings and allow the shooters to get into the central positions, they were also able to kick a few massive scores themselves. Niall O'Donnell came into the game exactly when Donegal needed him and secured 2 cracking scores at a crucial time, Gallen started like a house on fire but then Burns got to grips with him and he was later taken off. Armagh were never going to be able to contain them all at the same time and they were able to all chip in when needed. They are all serious talents.
Armagh seems strangely comfortable throughout the game, they seems able to go up the pitch when Donegal got within touching distance and secure the additonal point. Forker, Creally Murnin, Conaty, Campbell,Grugan and Turbitt (Clinker first half) all getting on the score board. I think they tired over the course of the game due to the massive effort and the heat was also a factor in trying to keep that high intensity work rate up. The hitting in the midfield prior to the throw up and the intent to win the turnover was great to see. They set their stall out early scoring in the first minute and they were clearly pumped to achieve this and set the pace. I was very happy with them yesterday albeit it they were eventually beaten, I can most definetly live with them playing like that as opposed the super defensive structures we have seen. I really do feel the more inventive the opposition the better Armagh play as it frees up their key players and allows space. Space was at a premium in the down game hence we only had one scoring forward.
Very hard on those lads to lose another Ulster final, I really wanted them to get some recognition for their efforts over the years but sadly it wasn't meant to be but they must kick on now and try and lift the set up going forward. I expect a good performance against Westmeath as they won't take them as lightly this year and relaistically this is the weakest team they will play on paper. A win in the Ath Grounds and one of the others losing Armagh may just do better than we think. They should be coming into that game with the same intensity and their raw ability will carry them through it. Theres hope in this performance for me, some teams can quickly fall off their perch with a result like that, McGeeney will be very keyed into that and will have the lads ready to go for the 25/26 weekend. Time to really get behind these lads again as the amount of negativity I witnessed has been Crazy. lets get them over the line this year, see where it takes them and we will look at all other things after that. Please Please let them continue with that better brand of football.
I felt Mogan and O'Baoill got too much space and were able to suck several Armagh men to the wings and allow the shooters to get into the central positions, they were also able to kick a few massive scores themselves. Niall O'Donnell came into the game exactly when Donegal needed him and secured 2 cracking scores at a crucial time, Gallen started like a house on fire but then Burns got to grips with him and he was later taken off. Armagh were never going to be able to contain them all at the same time and they were able to all chip in when needed. They are all serious talents.
Armagh seems strangely comfortable throughout the game, they seems able to go up the pitch when Donegal got within touching distance and secure the additonal point. Forker, Creally Murnin, Conaty, Campbell,Grugan and Turbitt (Clinker first half) all getting on the score board. I think they tired over the course of the game due to the massive effort and the heat was also a factor in trying to keep that high intensity work rate up. The hitting in the midfield prior to the throw up and the intent to win the turnover was great to see. They set their stall out early scoring in the first minute and they were clearly pumped to achieve this and set the pace. I was very happy with them yesterday albeit it they were eventually beaten, I can most definetly live with them playing like that as opposed the super defensive structures we have seen. I really do feel the more inventive the opposition the better Armagh play as it frees up their key players and allows space. Space was at a premium in the down game hence we only had one scoring forward.
Very hard on those lads to lose another Ulster final, I really wanted them to get some recognition for their efforts over the years but sadly it wasn't meant to be but they must kick on now and try and lift the set up going forward. I expect a good performance against Westmeath as they won't take them as lightly this year and relaistically this is the weakest team they will play on paper. A win in the Ath Grounds and one of the others losing Armagh may just do better than we think. They should be coming into that game with the same intensity and their raw ability will carry them through it. Theres hope in this performance for me, some teams can quickly fall off their perch with a result like that, McGeeney will be very keyed into that and will have the lads ready to go for the 25/26 weekend. Time to really get behind these lads again as the amount of negativity I witnessed has been Crazy. lets get them over the line this year, see where it takes them and we will look at all other things after that. Please Please let them continue with that better brand of football.
and 20+ votes from the county board executive.............
Malachy O'Rourke won't come to Armagh. He will be the next Derry/Tyrone manager.
Mc geeney is getting every ounce out of those players .
Armagh were excellent yesterday and lost a game of fine margins .like all of you was numb leaving yesterday but jeez we’re are a top team.
A fortnights rest is needed so let’s get ready for Westmeath who will be no push overs.
When people want a change in management that is fair enough, there is no point jumping on the defensive of mcgeeney.
Im sure Mcgeeney has given everything he has to try get these players over the line. But people just think a change would freshen it up. It would be someone with new ideas etc...Its the evolution of the management merry go around. I believe a change would really benefit armagh and im sure there is plenty of top men looking at them and thinking they can get them over the line.
Im sure Mcgeeney has given everything he has to try get these players over the line. But people just think a change would freshen it up. It would be someone with new ideas etc...Its the evolution of the management merry go around. I believe a change would really benefit armagh and im sure there is plenty of top men looking at them and thinking they can get them over the line.
Armagh_paul
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Can we not talk about new management. I'm not a huge fan of McGeeney but 90% of the time I feel I am fair when criticising him. I don't think yesterday was his fault, the team collectively fell apart which is hallmark Armagh.
I don't think we have any real leaders on that team or anyone who wants to make that claim, it's really odd to see. I do wonder how the team would perform with Rafferty, he seems to pick himself up and go time and time again.
I don't think we have any real leaders on that team or anyone who wants to make that claim, it's really odd to see. I do wonder how the team would perform with Rafferty, he seems to pick himself up and go time and time again.
Armaghball
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He should have scored it, simple as that. But I’m not going to single out anyone as every man on the field made mistakes as happens every game- plenty of others had wides or made a wrong pass or let their man get free etc.
For me there is one real leader on the team - Oisin O Neill, but no good throwing him on with 10 mins left when the lead had already been blown
Just on the mention of Oisín, thought this was very classy from him and he is a credit to the team.
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Horan for his record of getting over the line in big games?
No matter who would come in it would be a total gamble. In fairness to mcgeeny he's brought in donaghy and gilligan in to freshen things up, it's not like he's not trying something different. They were the ones telling the forwards to slow it down too, which is the biggest complaint people have. The new training facility will be the next change for the team which will naturally freshen things up. We don't need wholesale change we just need to find that extra bit of a killer instinct from our forwards. Someone new will be starting from scratch instead of focusing in on that problem.
Let's not forget the mess other counties have had replacing managers too. This isn't the premier league where you've options coming from all over europe for the job. Mayo weren't in a bad place and they ended up with Kevin McStay, I'd doubt we'd be too happy if we dropped McGeeny for him. Their other option was Dempsey who was chased out of Limerick with McConville who's doing poor enough with Wicklow. There's not many good managers out there to get.
Armagh_paul
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On the assumption McGeeney is here next year the next step would be to bring in someone from the Dublin 5 in a row team
Still gutted today and what makes it worse is I feel we were the better team and deserved to win.
Thought we played really well and put our stamp on the game. Think yesterday was an improvement on anything we saw against Derry, Monaghan and Galway when we lost on penalties.
But we still lost and that's what is devastating. Especially for the management and players who deserved an Ulster title. Some may argue you deserve nothing if can't get over the line. But yesterday felt just came out on the wrong side of the result and were unlucky.
The previous penalty shoot out defeats there was genuine reasons you could say we didn't win. Too defensive, didn't take advantage of black cards, etc. Yesterday there isn't a whole lot to fault.
On the marks Jarly Ogs and Soupys were not realistic chances. Jarly bit far out and wouldn't be known for his long range point taking. And was on the wrong side for Soupy. TK was the one we manufactured and could have won the match with. Again towards the end of extra time if Conaty puts it over the bar to give us 2 point lead then we win.
Talk of changing management before the group stages is ridiculous. And for what it's worth don't think management could have done a whole lot differently yesterday.
On Donegal it seemed like anything they kicked went over the bar. Some of the points from out wide and distance all seem to fly over. On another day at least a couple of them go wide. But just wasn't to be yesterday.
Was a great game to watch and players put absolutely everything into it. Not going to criticise anyone of them for the effort they put in.
Move onto Westmeath in 2 weeks time
Thought we played really well and put our stamp on the game. Think yesterday was an improvement on anything we saw against Derry, Monaghan and Galway when we lost on penalties.
But we still lost and that's what is devastating. Especially for the management and players who deserved an Ulster title. Some may argue you deserve nothing if can't get over the line. But yesterday felt just came out on the wrong side of the result and were unlucky.
The previous penalty shoot out defeats there was genuine reasons you could say we didn't win. Too defensive, didn't take advantage of black cards, etc. Yesterday there isn't a whole lot to fault.
On the marks Jarly Ogs and Soupys were not realistic chances. Jarly bit far out and wouldn't be known for his long range point taking. And was on the wrong side for Soupy. TK was the one we manufactured and could have won the match with. Again towards the end of extra time if Conaty puts it over the bar to give us 2 point lead then we win.
Talk of changing management before the group stages is ridiculous. And for what it's worth don't think management could have done a whole lot differently yesterday.
On Donegal it seemed like anything they kicked went over the bar. Some of the points from out wide and distance all seem to fly over. On another day at least a couple of them go wide. But just wasn't to be yesterday.
Was a great game to watch and players put absolutely everything into it. Not going to criticise anyone of them for the effort they put in.
Move onto Westmeath in 2 weeks time