ragingbull
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McKenna of Armagh Harps
Ulster Senior Football Championship 2021
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ragingbull
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Forker wasn't missing he just didn't start
only 2 of these started and 1 of those is sub goalkeper
think as another poster said we could look at mckenna from harps cosgrave from killeavy owens and mccambridge from clan eirean higgin from maghery
I think Irwin from cullyhanna went onto county team few years back ? Did he drop off?
Armaghball
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He wasn’t fully fit or he would have started. Did 3 or 4 of Monaghans goals not come when he wasnt on the pitch?
Armaghball
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Owens done his knee badly. I’d be surprised if we see him next season at all
Armaghball
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That’s a shame. Know he was part of the panel for a few years but hasn’t made the breakthrought
Armagh_paul
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Neither does the man who is getting paid to find them and has had five + years to do it.
weeskitter
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Stupid comment. How many different defenders have been used over his time as manager? Andy Mallon, Ciaran McKeever, Finn Moriarty, Paul Hughes, Connell from Cullyhanna, Shields, Murray, Donaghy, Owens, Joe McElroy, Higgins, Rowland, McKenna Dromintee, the current group of 8 or 9 defenders and whoever else I've forgotten. Think there's been plenty of changing.
I think the main positive of Geezer staying on for me is that he wants to stay. He obviously sees real potential there and if he'd walked away I think that the squad would have broken up. I think that ourselves and Derry can reposition ourselves as Tyrone's main rivals for silverware over the next couple of years.
He wants to stay on ???
Nothing to do then with the amount of money he gets ???
Too much focus on defensive personnel here. Personnel is not really the problem.
The goals that cost us the game against Monaghan (and many other games over the last few years) were the result of errors in concentration, and nothing to do with the defensive abilities of the men that lined out.
The first goal conceded to Monaghan was the result of poor concentration in the execution of a simple skill 100 yards from our own goal, which was then further compounded by the slow reactions of Armagh players to the dangerous situation that subsequently developed. The second goal was the result of an ill judged kick out by a rookie keeper - again, nothing to do with the ability of our defenders to defend.
These are mental failings. Failings in game management, or in-game intelligence, and they run throughout the entire team. It's a mistake to characterise this as a defensive problem - or to lament our inability to improve because 'the defenders just aren't there'. Improvements in game management, including amongst our much vaunted forward line, can and will bring about real progress.
But, clearly not enough work has been put into this area under the current leadership - we still make desperate mistakes at critical times and lose games we should be winning. All the way back to games against Galway in 2016, Tipperary in 2017, Kildare & Clare in 2019, through to Donegal and Monaghan this season.
This inability to make good on field decisions and to manage games to a successful conclusion has been a defining feature of McGeeney's reign - bizarrely, since the man himself was a master of this during his own playing days. I would've preferred a fresh voice coming in to work with this team, hoping that new ideas and new ways of thinking about the game might tighten up the psychological frailties. But we're sticking with the current man, and that's ok - maybe the nut will be cracked at the eighth time of asking. Maybe we can finally cut out the self sabotage and live out this team's full potential - the truest measure of any management effort.
The goals that cost us the game against Monaghan (and many other games over the last few years) were the result of errors in concentration, and nothing to do with the defensive abilities of the men that lined out.
The first goal conceded to Monaghan was the result of poor concentration in the execution of a simple skill 100 yards from our own goal, which was then further compounded by the slow reactions of Armagh players to the dangerous situation that subsequently developed. The second goal was the result of an ill judged kick out by a rookie keeper - again, nothing to do with the ability of our defenders to defend.
These are mental failings. Failings in game management, or in-game intelligence, and they run throughout the entire team. It's a mistake to characterise this as a defensive problem - or to lament our inability to improve because 'the defenders just aren't there'. Improvements in game management, including amongst our much vaunted forward line, can and will bring about real progress.
But, clearly not enough work has been put into this area under the current leadership - we still make desperate mistakes at critical times and lose games we should be winning. All the way back to games against Galway in 2016, Tipperary in 2017, Kildare & Clare in 2019, through to Donegal and Monaghan this season.
This inability to make good on field decisions and to manage games to a successful conclusion has been a defining feature of McGeeney's reign - bizarrely, since the man himself was a master of this during his own playing days. I would've preferred a fresh voice coming in to work with this team, hoping that new ideas and new ways of thinking about the game might tighten up the psychological frailties. But we're sticking with the current man, and that's ok - maybe the nut will be cracked at the eighth time of asking. Maybe we can finally cut out the self sabotage and live out this team's full potential - the truest measure of any management effort.
I would have thought along these lines up until fairly recently but at what point do we ask the hard question, is the sufficient quality there? Mental strength, game management and decision-making it could be argued are down to the quality of the player, not just the strength of the coaching. If we had a better record at underage level of the past 10 years I think it would be easier to lay the blame at management in terms of maximising potential. I haven't seen many future stars in the backline coming through the ranks over the years. It's harder to accept it's a player rather than manager issue (easier to replace the manager than find better players) so I hope I'm wrong.
How much money is he getting??
ragingbull
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It looks like there hasn't been much rain in Omagh going by the YouTube coverage
ragingbull
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I see Shane McConville ogs manager is part of the minor's management team
Big Jim
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Was thinking that too 'bull!!
ragingbull
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None of your beeswax
Big Jim
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Was thinking that too 'bull!!
ragingbull
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Come on Armagh get stuck in to them