gael_force_orchard
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Potentially not the right place to be posting or even not right to post at all. But certainly a thread on armagh club football in general is needed.
I'd say there should be an option available for clubs where appropriate to lend players to a team for a year or so when needed. Definitely be B team players or extended squad players in South Armagh who would be glad to get regular game time. Maybe something that should be looked at.I wonder what club that is? I have a pair of boots in the back of my car keep looking at me longingly
Think the standard genuinely isn’t there across all 3 grades, there’s probably only 5 senior standard clubs in Armagh if that. Grange are a fairly strong team but I’d say they celebrated winning Armagh too hard no disrepect to them, which seems to be a recurring theme for Armagh clubs bar Cross.I think generally speaking in Armagh you have a geographically small county with too many clubs. We have 40+ which is quite a lot, population wise the figures might suggest these numbers are justified but it’s worth remembering a substantial number are from the unionist community. We also have the Crossmaglen juggernaut which has dominated proceedings for a quarter of a century, this has undoubtedly affected the senior championship. I have no doubt in my mind if crossmaglen was in south Derry or east Tyrone they’d not have achieved the success they have, certainly not as many county titles. It’s a pity that the likes of Clans, Pearse Óg, Mullaghbawn and Dromintee are no longer at the levels they once were 15/20 years ago. Even Cullyhanna seem to be slipping which is another shame. I don’t think the current championship set up does anything for competitiveness, it affords the good teams an off day when they should be eliminated but seemingly a lot of people like the whole group stage and play off carry on
Regards intermediate, I think it’s unfair to brand grange a division 4 team, they are quite clearly an intermediate standard team. Who as a result of some silly decision to split a very competitive league in two were in the bottom half for this season. They beat two or three of the favourites and came up against a very strong galbally side who are not long out of senior and will be back playing senior again next season. That said intermediate teams in Armagh seem to be way off the pace of other counties in Ulster and it begs the question why? I can’t speak for junior football as I don’t see enough of it but I reckon we a couple of decent clubs at that level, blackwatertown even won an Ulster a few years back so the potential is there.
Best place for them lolI wonder what club that is? I have a pair of boots in the back of my car keep looking at me longingly
How do you define a senior standard club? Not saying I disagree but for example I’d consider Cullyhanna senior standard and yet they got relegated. Agree on the Grange, probably had little interest in Ulster. Likewise Collegeland.Think the standard genuinely isn’t there across all 3 grades, there’s probably only 5 senior standard clubs in Armagh if that. Grange are a fairly strong team but I’d say they celebrated winning Armagh too hard no disrepect to them, which seems to be a recurring theme for Armagh clubs bar Cross.
You aright lad??I’d be in favour in contracting the senior championship to 8 teams and expanding the intermediate and junior championships. Using a 1,2a,2b,3a,3b league structure with 8 teams in senior and 10 in each of following.
Collegeland were the only armagh club to win a game in the ulster club championshipHow do you define a senior standard club? Not saying I disagree but for example I’d consider Cullyhanna senior standard and yet they got relegated. Agree on the Grange, probably had little interest in Ulster. Likewise Collegeland.
Also all three monaghan championship wimners made it to their respective semi-finals with one, blackhill, into the ulster junior finalCollegeland were the only armagh club to win a game in the ulster club championship
same for donegal clubsAlso all three monaghan championship wimners made it to their respective semi-finals with one, blackhill, into the ulster junior final
I’m sure teams in every other county celebrate like mad eejits as well when they win championships. Question is why Armagh teams can’t compete in Ulster, or why do we as a county seem to have the attitude that Ulster is just bonus territory? Do clubs in other counties think like that as well?nothing wrong with our league structures. Teams just drink the heads of themselves when they win an armagh championship and Ulster is just bonus territory. No club apart from cross in armagh set out to win an ulster at the start of the year. There is no problem with our standard.
Armagh teams can compete in Ulster, Port Mor won an ulster junior title a few years ago, cross were kingpins of ireland for years. this is nonsense talk. Other counties have more numbers and are more competitive meaning that teams that would be regarded as senior in armagh would be playing ulster intermediate and teams that would be regarded as intermediate in armagh are playing ulster junior.I’m sure teams in every other county celebrate like mad eejits as well when they win championships. Question is why Armagh teams can’t compete in Ulster, or why do we as a county seem to have the attitude that Ulster is just bonus territory? Do clubs in other counties think like that as well?
One Ulster Junior in how many years? Not criticising Grange or Collegeland or Peters or Keady last year or any of our championship winners from the past few years, but the record is poor. Cross of old are the exception to the rule clearly. Doesn’t look good that Cross can waltz through Armagh so easily and then get beat in Ulster this past 2 years. Surely as a county we should be aiming to push for Ulsters at all grades.Armagh teams can compete in Ulster, Port Mor won an ulster junior title a few years ago, cross were kingpins of ireland for years. this is nonsense talk. Other counties have more numbers and are more competitive meaning that teams that would be regarded as senior in armagh would be playing ulster intermediate and teams that would be regarded as intermediate in armagh are playing ulster junior.
That is exactly the point i was making. Most clubs dream of winning the armagh championship and that is it. Ulster is nice and all but the hunger for it just wouldnt be the same, you wouldnt see a player crying if they lost an ulster game, relieved the season is over in a way actually. It is a long year, every year!on behalf of the Grange men, we had not won the intermediate from 1993, that was the most important thing for us, not representing Armagh at Ulster level