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Wee man

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Wide ball said:
I would like to see a team like this but we won't, mcgeeney has his favourites and will play the experience players,
What's a big thing for me is the top 4 players or so from last year you could name easily, Rian, jarly og, Grugan, Rafferty all outstanding all year but thi year try and pick 4 players... It is hard because nobody stood out, I'd guess a few defenders would be there but we played defensively I'd say Duffy, Rian, McKay and forker maybe in my 4 but not nearly as easy to pick as last year
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eh Andy Murnin ??? Thought he was excellent this year. Toss up for player of the year with Forker.

Of the others
McKay has been solid but consistent and that seems to be his thing
Ethan excellent under the high ball all year. Kick outs have improved. not as effective going forward this year but put this down to the element of surprise being gone - teams now have a plan for him
Conor o Neill was excellent before getting injured. After not so much
C Mackin good in spells. serious engine.
Turbo our top scorer, was excellent in a few games mid season but faded out the back end (still cant believe our top scorer wasnt started in QF)
McPartlan has done well considering he wasnt even on the panel last year
Soupy some super scores all year but not as effective as last year
 
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Wide ball

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Wee man said:
eh Andy Murnin ??? Thought he was excellent this year. Toss up for player of the year with Forker.

Of the others
McKay has been solid but consistent and that seems to be his thing
Ethan excellent under the high ball all year. Kick outs have improved. not as effective going forward this year but put this down to the element of surprise being gone - teams now have a plan for him
Conor o Neill was excellent before getting injured. After not so much
C Mackin good in spells. serious engine.
Turbo our top scorer, was excellent in a few games mid season but faded out the back end (still cant believe our top scorer wasnt started in QF)
McPartlan has done well considering he wasnt even on the panel last year
Soupy some super scores all year but not as effective as last year
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Yes sorry murnin was very good this year
 
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Peter grimes

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Seamy said:
I think the point I'm trying to make is that because we were free flowing in beating weak Dublin and Tyrone teams in last year's league, two teams who at the time were in a bit of dissary then having a turkey shoot with Galway and equalising at the death, that that's what we're expected to be capable of and that should be the blue print. Every second comment on here is about negative style of play and not attacking enough. Bare in mind in our last two outings with Monaghan we kicked 1-07 and 1-14 respectively. It was always going to be that sort of game.

Seperate to that, you have to play what's in front of you. The Dubs tried to carry on their own way against Donegal in 2012 by sticking to their own brand of football and that was what cost them.

I genuinely don't think we've nearly as great of a forward 6 unit as some might think. Rian, as lethal as he is has his quiet spells, Rory Grugan is on the downward curve and probably Soupy too. Turbitt and Rian don't seem to compliment one another and that's a pity, because if we had both of them on song there'd I'd be a lot more confident in playing a more positive brand of football. We tried a number of long balls in to Murnin and he was swallowed up the other day, so there's no point in persisting with that in an AI QF. I see a lot of commentary about why Cian McConville isn't play and that he should be. I've seen him play with Cross and he's been unreal, but if anyone thinks that the management team are niave enough to leave him aside if he's doing the same in Armagh training...I doubt it very much.

I, like you would love nothing more than to see a firebrand, all out positive approach where we run at teams, play long balls in, shoot the lights out etc etc. But the reality is we don't have the midfield or attacking prowess and have to realise this. It's very hard to articulate on a post here my thoughts and views on it properly but I think the most, if not more is being got out of the crop of 30 odd players we have.
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You continue to talk about long balls into the full forward but fail to point out who is actually calling for that?

What is “firebrand” football and who is calling for it?

Time and time again it has been explained that the alternative to ultra defensive football is not just launching it in on the square.

Also you mention having to play what is in front of you- well we have it in our locker to play in a style that opponents hate. Why not exploit that? Turn it on its head and make them cope with what is in front of them??
 
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Peter grimes

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Hoops said:
I’m pointing out that people are simply saying geezer out, but there’s little thought as to what happens next. MOR has a fantastic cv, though he’s going to be with glen for another run at the all Ireland this year. Can’t see him leaving glen in the middle of it.

Re the potential retirements, it’s a question of stability in the group. I’m not saying there’s some sort of ultimatum from those lads where if mcgeeney goes they’ll quit. But, if we take some risk at management and that doesn’t go well, by the time we’d fix the management decision they’d be gone. Then you’re trying to change a manager and 4 of the starting 15 at the same time. Look at the handling Monaghan and Donegal just had to replace managers in the middle of players retiring & nearing retirement. MOR said Donegal ‘weren’t the right fit’, and you can read into that all ye want. It’s obviously worked well for Monaghan now but it still took them 4 months and we don’t have anyone similar to Corey sitting in the wings.

My reference to the wasted long kick pass was a tongue in cheek remark to highlight that we did attack plenty on Saturday, 5 attacks to 2 in that period, but because the attacks didn’t result in scores it creates an overly simplistic narrative that we weren’t attacking enough.

My final point was about how the team had set up to defend a goal attempt or shot dropping short and not to defend a worked shot for a point. I don’t think that is connected to the defensive set up throughout the game.
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Genuinely that makes no sense at all.

Managerial appointments have gone wrong before. So have managerial retentions. If they are to be ruled out because they can go wrong then management can neither go nor stay! Maybe the ghost of Erwin Schrödinger should take over for next year?

Otherwise I think you are seeing what you want to see and dismissing anything to the contrary.
 
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Naka

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Mc geeney is staying
Reality is the players want continuity and support him so he is going no where
Tbf anyone who has had the chance to talk to him will realise that he is as disappointed as the rest of us
 
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armaghtimmy

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Naka said:
Mc geeney is staying
Reality is the players want continuity and support him so he is going no where
Tbf anyone who has had the chance to talk to him will realise that he is as disappointed as the rest of us
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Course he's disappointed, the man lives and breathes Armagh football. I think he will stay one last year and after that he will go alongside some established names (Forker, soupy, grugan, murnin, morgan... maybe a few more) and we will see the new manager come in that will need to bring in fresh blood. A good knowledge of the club scene will be vital, personally would love if Mardsen was involved but I guess the landscape can change a lot in 12 months so time enough for that conversation in due course.
 
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ShiftYa

Well-Known Member
Naka said:
Mc geeney is staying
Reality is the players want continuity and support him so he is going no where
Tbf anyone who has had the chance to talk to him will realise that he is as disappointed as the rest of us
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Realistically if there’s a chance the managers there next year most players aren’t going to tell them him they want him gone a risk of their playing spot next season.

Of course McGeeneys going to stay if he has the choice, every season he stays he further lines his pockets.

The vast majority of club people around the county want change, what are we waiting on, it’s not going to be 10th time lucky.
 
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thehighballinlow

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Throwball said:
He had a pick from 5 (?) Ulster under 21 winning teams.
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Fair play to cavan for winning them u 21's. What where we doing as a county when they were winning their u21's?

There needs to be a look at all football within armagh club and county.

When is the last time we been competitive at ulster club junior intermediate or senior?

When is the last time we been competitive at minor or u21 county.

To be fair to management he cant pull players put of a hat if there not there what can he do.

I think county board, development officers, and structures within the county need looked at.
 
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