Lining his pockets?
How do you know the vast majority of club people around the county want him gone?
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How do you know the vast majority of club people around the county want him gone?
ShiftYa
Well-Known Member
Yes he’s getting a very generous wage from the position.
Talking to fellow gaels and general sentiment online would lead me to believe so.
It was widely believed when he first came in he was the 3rd highest paid manager in the game, there are all sorts of rumours around about what's he on so hard to know what's true, on him staying or going I think he has a bigger buy in than anyone else would get from Armagh and if he is to go I'd personally prefer someone from outside the county for a fresh start also we have been so bad underage and alot of the managers from armagh that would be in line to follow him have failed at management underage for us, and on the older players leaving if mcgeeney goes, Its hard to know if it's true or not but if it is true it would be sad but I'd rather players play for the county and not the manager so if they go I would wish them the best and would cheer on the team still,
Armagh_paul
Well-Known Member
For McGeeney staying
- Players buy into what McGeeney is selling. Grimley was there to set things in motion, O'Rourke was not there for the betterment of Armagh football, McDonnell after 2008 was not on my Christmas list.
- Knows Armagh football - likely yo be going to most if not all games. Brought in a nice attacking brand of football that we needed to persist with.
- Can build a team and there seems to be a rebuild on the horizon.
- I would think he likes players to dedicate themselves to achieving success and is happy to turn away those who are not willing - despite having county level attributes.
- As an Armagh man he has Armagh's best interests at heart. Regardless of the comments about his wage, he put a lot of time and effort into Armagh as a player and experienced a lot of heartache. Wouldn't dare question his commitment to Armagh.
- This could be at a stretch but would anyone on here be in favour of him managing some of the underage teams? I think this would be where he would excel. He knows what is expected at county level, prepare them earlier and get that extra 5/10% later on.
- I would cautiously state that we have progressed under McGeeney but I question why the likes of Derry have surpassed us so quickly. Cork are not far off and these are two teams that have literally been to the bottom. There have been posts on here in the past that state we simply do not have the players and McGeeney is getting the best out of the team.
- If McGeeney left the team would fall apart.
Against McGeeney staying
- His reputation whether it is deserved or not, is working against us and will continue to do so. I think this costs us at least 3 points per game.
- Tactically there are too many occasions where we have not done the job. Sometimes this falls on the players but the management bear the responsibility of deploying tactics that are not to our strengths.
- Too long in charge and still a long way off an AI - especially after last year.
- Some do not realise this but there will be a swath of players leaving soon Campbell, Murnin, Morgan, Forker, Grugan. Naturally teams need to change but these are key players and I don't think the existing players that are in their 4th/5th seasons are stepping up in the same way, despite having the talent.
- A frustration about who is played. I have read that McGeeney does not like playing players unless they have been on the panel for at least 2 years. I get the logic as to why this rule is in place but it is silly. If we have a player that is at the same level or better than Rian do they have to sit on the bench for 2 years? No. Why have the dam rule.
- In the early years I don't think he got the right people in for coaching roles. Perhaps they were good for the level we were at but never got the impression we would do much.
- Other than Donaghy I don't think he has the right coaches in place - this might be an unpopular opinion. I would love to see Paul Grimley back in some capacity.
- Players buy into what McGeeney is selling. Grimley was there to set things in motion, O'Rourke was not there for the betterment of Armagh football, McDonnell after 2008 was not on my Christmas list.
- Knows Armagh football - likely yo be going to most if not all games. Brought in a nice attacking brand of football that we needed to persist with.
- Can build a team and there seems to be a rebuild on the horizon.
- I would think he likes players to dedicate themselves to achieving success and is happy to turn away those who are not willing - despite having county level attributes.
- As an Armagh man he has Armagh's best interests at heart. Regardless of the comments about his wage, he put a lot of time and effort into Armagh as a player and experienced a lot of heartache. Wouldn't dare question his commitment to Armagh.
- This could be at a stretch but would anyone on here be in favour of him managing some of the underage teams? I think this would be where he would excel. He knows what is expected at county level, prepare them earlier and get that extra 5/10% later on.
- I would cautiously state that we have progressed under McGeeney but I question why the likes of Derry have surpassed us so quickly. Cork are not far off and these are two teams that have literally been to the bottom. There have been posts on here in the past that state we simply do not have the players and McGeeney is getting the best out of the team.
- If McGeeney left the team would fall apart.
Against McGeeney staying
- His reputation whether it is deserved or not, is working against us and will continue to do so. I think this costs us at least 3 points per game.
- Tactically there are too many occasions where we have not done the job. Sometimes this falls on the players but the management bear the responsibility of deploying tactics that are not to our strengths.
- Too long in charge and still a long way off an AI - especially after last year.
- Some do not realise this but there will be a swath of players leaving soon Campbell, Murnin, Morgan, Forker, Grugan. Naturally teams need to change but these are key players and I don't think the existing players that are in their 4th/5th seasons are stepping up in the same way, despite having the talent.
- A frustration about who is played. I have read that McGeeney does not like playing players unless they have been on the panel for at least 2 years. I get the logic as to why this rule is in place but it is silly. If we have a player that is at the same level or better than Rian do they have to sit on the bench for 2 years? No. Why have the dam rule.
- In the early years I don't think he got the right people in for coaching roles. Perhaps they were good for the level we were at but never got the impression we would do much.
- Other than Donaghy I don't think he has the right coaches in place - this might be an unpopular opinion. I would love to see Paul Grimley back in some capacity.
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I would like him have some role at underage or maybe head of the academy but that's a step down and can't see that happening
Armagh_paul
Well-Known Member
I would like for him to continue in both roles. If he is getting paid big bucks as some are making out on here, then he should be responsible for some underage role. However, I am aware that playing to one managers style limits progression so perhaps underage in a consultancy role.
Nope
But he has another year so no need to be confirmed
Against staying:
Been there for 9 years, winning nothing.
Not tactically astute or able to react well to opposition's tactical changes.
Tactics are too rigid and too cautious, not enabling the team to go for a win.
His reputation is possibly working against us with referees.
Accepting that he is Armagh through and through, players are very loyal to him and he himself is very dedicated to the cause.
But - see above.
Thanks - but time for a change.
Also has asked senior players to get the squads views on him staying.
Difficult position, because he carries a certain fear factor and many would not turn on one of their own. I think the only way he leaves is if the county board force his hand.
Surely every squad player will not be saying they want him to go incase he’s in charge next year and finds out ? County board should be the ones making a decision on this matter
thehighballinlow
Active Member
Assuming that would be a private thing. Pen paper and drop into a box.
No one know who voted what
No one know who voted what
Looking at the cross team, if they can't win or be near an Ulster title Armagh football Is gone, county level players in Morgan, Hughes, Cian mcconville, cumiskey the 2 O'Neills, for me Morris is county level too then older players that where county standard in Clarke and Kernan and some young players that will be county level in Fitzpatrick, of Duffy and Finnegan, ridiculous team
Geezer would know/assume his yes and no voters. If it went to a vote, he would win. The big voices in the group would rise. County board needs to liaise with the players and then make the call - take the heat off the players themselves.
So you’ve spoke to a few people and read a few things online and that makes up the opinion of the vast majority. Got ye.
See shit like chatting about the manager lining his pockets or the cars outside his house, can we get that stopped. It’s ridiculous
Armaghball
Well-Known Member
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Tbh I think we need to park county talk and focus on club now Jesus it was a bad end and the less I'm reminded the better lol
ragingbull
Well-Known Member
thank Jesus we are not playing Dublin tomorrow
Big Jim
Well-Known Member
Sorry bull but I 100% disagree and wish we were fighting through traffic and crowds to be playing in an AI semi-final!!