I think this is harsh we have lost 3 penalty shoot outs not been beaten in play, (we probably should have won all 3 in extra time) the Galway game we gave it a go and attacked the Derry game we where underdogs and we probably where the better team after extra time, the Monaghan game is where I have the problem really as we went out way too negatively. based on the last 2 years besides Dublin and Kerry (I don't think the gap is that big) I don't think there is more than a kick of the ball between the next 6 or 7 Galway, Tyrone, mayo, rosscomon, Derry, armagh, Monaghan and maybe Donegal if they get Thier act together. I also think Kildare and cork could rise really quickly with how good they have been underage, at the end of the day not that long ago Armagh where in division 3 throwing away big leads and getting slapped by teams in Ulster, we have come along way where we are competing against every team, the next step is to turn these games against strong opponents instead of close losses or penalty loses to wins. It won't be easy but we have come along way