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armaghtimmy

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Nothing to add on the game that's not already been said, big improvement needed. Il go with the following next day based on what we had on the bench;

Blaine

O'Neill, McKay, Burns
Jarly, Forker, Ciaran Mackin
Ben, Grimley
Soupy, Grugan, Duffy
Conaty, O O'Neill, Turbo

Hopefully Jarly and Mackin on the wings can provide a quicker transition from defending to attack, although paddy burns has pace and could be interesting to see in a whb role, as would mc quillan...
 
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Wide ball

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Next week I'd like to see
Blaine

Burns
Higgins
Mckay

C O'Neill
McCabe
Og burns

Crealy
Mcpartlan

Duffy
Grugan
Campbell

Turbitt
Oisin
Mcconville
 
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Hoops

Member
Wide ball said:
The Sunday game saying all top teams seemed to play front foot football but that Armagh are conservative, they said a few years ago we where attacking bit seemed to have changed, and that we have the forwards to be more attacking. I agree 100% with them
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The irony being that the ‘quality’ forwards he referenced made a mountain of errors throughout the game that either directly cost us scores or gifted Louth counterattacks when all our players had pushed up
 
Diarmi

Diarmi

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I'd like to see Jary in midfield and a more attack minded half back line with pace and line breakers. Conor O'Neill fits this role as does Forker but maybe someone like McQuillan, TK, Duffy or Ciaran Mackin would work too.
 
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Armaghball

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Diarmi said:
I'd like to see Jary in midfield and a more attack minded half back line with pace and line breakers. Conor O'Neill fits this role as does Forker but maybe someone like McQuillan, TK, Duffy or Ciaran Mackin would work too.
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Reckon we’ll see McQuillan at wing back soon enough
 
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winsamsoon

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Theres no real point in Mc Conville getting a run out in Corner forward as the system they play would see any corner forward starved of supply. As far as I can see Armagh are a one trick pony and are becomming increasingly easier to play against.

There are quality players there for sure but the ambition seems to have been coached out of them to the extent in may cases they aren't even looking for a ball in.

You could play against Armagh with 10 men as they get the ball and make a bomb to the wings, the build up is that slow that they get to a certain point and the only ball on is a 50 yard pass back to defence. At that point everything just deflates. I had hoped that with the removal of Ethan Rafferty that option would have stopped but it remains the same. The system is all based on a player coming in off the line for a shooting angle, you can actually see players running an arc line and ending up on the far side of the pitch. Traditional movement in the game has gone as it's all about zones and mechanical movement. Theres very little awareness of other players round them and they often find themselves bunched up colliding with their own players or in a situation where they have ran into 4 or 5 defenders.

Any team that can compact the middle section Armagh is going to struggle with and this is a main feature of weaker teams as their emphasis is on trying not lose the game rather than win it. So Armagh are not going to beat any of these teams handy. This is the furstrating part for me as I believe Armagh have the pace and players if they would only be allowed to play. Armagh have become one of those teams that are just out not to lose and they cannot adapt that dimension, if the likes of Murnin is missing then there isn't a plan B at all. Lee Keagan made the point on the Sunday game that they should play Rian in FF and let him do his thing, that will never happen with Armagh. Mayo have done it with O'Shea to a certain extent and it has given him a new lease of life.

The further frustration is the fact that they have all these men back yet teams can still penetrate them easily enough at times, Lennon for Louth with a burst of speed was able to find endless chinks in the defence. So the packed defence isn't keeping anyone out, if they were conceeding 6 or 7 points a game then you could make a case for it but they are in double figures against the weaker counties.

Louth should have beaten them on Sat and Meath will beat them if they adapt this same approach. Meath will be more battle hardened and clinical in front of goal. Any other team dropping down from division one into two would have thrown off the shackles with the opening two games at home against Louth and Meath, but not Armagh. Then they wil be depending on points in the perceived harder games away to Cork and Fermanagh.

It seems like this debate just goes on and on but we can't all be wrong. The players are certainly there to do better than what they are producing, it won't deter me from watching them but I would just love to see them play to their full potential and we could have a different type of conversation. If they are beaten by better teams then so be it, you can live with that but when your playing very average oppositions and producing the stuff we are currently seeing then it is frustrating. I can imagine the players are also frustrated by it.
 
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niall1980

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winsamsoon said:
Theres no real point in Mc Conville getting a run out in Corner forward as the system they play would see any corner forward starved of supply. As far as I can see Armagh are a one trick pony and are becomming increasingly easier to play against.

There are quality players there for sure but the ambition seems to have been coached out of them to the extent in may cases they aren't even looking for a ball in.

You could play against Armagh with 10 men as they get the ball and make a bomb to the wings, the build up is that slow that they get to a certain point and the only ball on is a 50 yard pass back to defence. At that point everything just deflates. I had hoped that with the removal of Ethan Rafferty that option would have stopped but it remains the same. The system is all based on a player coming in off the line for a shooting angle, you can actually see players running an arc line and ending up on the far side of the pitch. Traditional movement in the game has gone as it's all about zones and mechanical movement. Theres very little awareness of other players round them and they often find themselves bunched up colliding with their own players or in a situation where they have ran into 4 or 5 defenders.

Any team that can compact the middle section Armagh is going to struggle with and this is a main feature of weaker teams as their emphasis is on trying not lose the game rather than win it. So Armagh are not going to beat any of these teams handy. This is the furstrating part for me as I believe Armagh have the pace and players if they would only be allowed to play. Armagh have become one of those teams that are just out not to lose and they cannot adapt that dimension, if the likes of Murnin is missing then there isn't a plan B at all. Lee Keagan made the point on the Sunday game that they should play Rian in FF and let him do his thing, that will never happen with Armagh. Mayo have done it with O'Shea to a certain extent and it has given him a new lease of life.

The further frustration is the fact that they have all these men back yet teams can still penetrate them easily enough at times, Lennon for Louth with a burst of speed was able to find endless chinks in the defence. So the packed defence isn't keeping anyone out, if they were conceeding 6 or 7 points a game then you could make a case for it but they are in double figures against the weaker counties.

Louth should have beaten them on Sat and Meath will beat them if they adapt this same approach. Meath will be more battle hardened and clinical in front of goal. Any other team dropping down from division one into two would have thrown off the shackles with the opening two games at home against Louth and Meath, but not Armagh. Then they wil be depending on points in the perceived harder games away to Cork and Fermanagh.

It seems like this debate just goes on and on but we can't all be wrong. The players are certainly there to do better than what they are producing, it won't deter me from watching them but I would just love to see them play to their full potential and we could have a different type of conversation. If they are beaten by better teams then so be it, you can live with that but when your playing very average oppositions and producing the stuff we are currently seeing then it is frustrating. I can imagine the players are also frustrated by it.
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a guy I was chatting to at the game said the players are that married to the system they can read the game in front of them. Have to say I agree with that
 
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Wide ball

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winsamsoon said:
Theres no real point in Mc Conville getting a run out in Corner forward as the system they play would see any corner forward starved of supply. As far as I can see Armagh are a one trick pony and are becomming increasingly easier to play against.

There are quality players there for sure but the ambition seems to have been coached out of them to the extent in may cases they aren't even looking for a ball in.

You could play against Armagh with 10 men as they get the ball and make a bomb to the wings, the build up is that slow that they get to a certain point and the only ball on is a 50 yard pass back to defence. At that point everything just deflates. I had hoped that with the removal of Ethan Rafferty that option would have stopped but it remains the same. The system is all based on a player coming in off the line for a shooting angle, you can actually see players running an arc line and ending up on the far side of the pitch. Traditional movement in the game has gone as it's all about zones and mechanical movement. Theres very little awareness of other players round them and they often find themselves bunched up colliding with their own players or in a situation where they have ran into 4 or 5 defenders.

Any team that can compact the middle section Armagh is going to struggle with and this is a main feature of weaker teams as their emphasis is on trying not lose the game rather than win it. So Armagh are not going to beat any of these teams handy. This is the furstrating part for me as I believe Armagh have the pace and players if they would only be allowed to play. Armagh have become one of those teams that are just out not to lose and they cannot adapt that dimension, if the likes of Murnin is missing then there isn't a plan B at all. Lee Keagan made the point on the Sunday game that they should play Rian in FF and let him do his thing, that will never happen with Armagh. Mayo have done it with O'Shea to a certain extent and it has given him a new lease of life.

The further frustration is the fact that they have all these men back yet teams can still penetrate them easily enough at times, Lennon for Louth with a burst of speed was able to find endless chinks in the defence. So the packed defence isn't keeping anyone out, if they were conceeding 6 or 7 points a game then you could make a case for it but they are in double figures against the weaker counties.

Louth should have beaten them on Sat and Meath will beat them if they adapt this same approach. Meath will be more battle hardened and clinical in front of goal. Any other team dropping down from division one into two would have thrown off the shackles with the opening two games at home against Louth and Meath, but not Armagh. Then they wil be depending on points in the perceived harder games away to Cork and Fermanagh.

It seems like this debate just goes on and on but we can't all be wrong. The players are certainly there to do better than what they are producing, it won't deter me from watching them but I would just love to see them play to their full potential and we could have a different type of conversation. If they are beaten by better teams then so be it, you can live with that but when your playing very average oppositions and producing the stuff we are currently seeing then it is frustrating. I can imagine the players are also frustrated by it.
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Great post, and agree with your comments on the defensive shape, in 2022 we where more attacking in div 1, we scored 7 goals and conceded 3 we had a total points conceded of 98, then last year we where playing far more conservatively and scored 2 in the league and conceded 3, and total points conceded was 98!!! So all we did was limit our attack and didn't make are defense any better at all. This is just the league but it shows that either our attack wasn't as good or we where overly defensive and didn't improve the score difference, either way is bad imo
 
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