ragingbull
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is that for the whole of the wee north
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JoeH
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That's the unoccupied 26
PatMustard
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Big Jim
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Basically shut up, shut down and if you don't like it, 10 people can be at your service!
It's about right because they now realise they can close almost all business except those run by the fat cat friends of the politicians (..........hmmmm! You're right, they're the same people) and not give the ordinary folk any money because of the latest way to justify it and no one will complain because "we want to do the right thing and not look like begrudgers"
It's about right because they now realise they can close almost all business except those run by the fat cat friends of the politicians (..........hmmmm! You're right, they're the same people) and not give the ordinary folk any money because of the latest way to justify it and no one will complain because "we want to do the right thing and not look like begrudgers"
Thank God we live in Ulster!
ragingbull
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All GAA club fixtures suspended until further notice
ragingbull
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A fortnight is going to make a hell of a different
Big Jim
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Yes and no Niall. We've been there, done that [a lot longer than a fortnight] and soon after lifting the lockdown, numbers start going up again. By that logic, it would take a permanent shut down to get the spread down and stay down. Of all the daft things I've posted, that's the daftest. Even in the worst disaster movies about Armageddon, the world finally awakens and resumes life. I'm no expert, but firmly believe that eventually the world will accept this is what it is and death as a result is inevitable! This morning there was an announcement of an award for three men that came up with a treatment for hepatitis. It also mentioned that there is an estimated 71million cases worldwide with a death toll of between 400k and 500k. That's accepted. Survival rate is believed at around 95%+ Already survival of Covid is 99%+ and we're still talking of locking down and stopping the world. There's absolutely no sense in the logic at all when you think about it.
Before anyone comes back with the usual stupid line of "yes but it's not the same because of the contagiousness", that's absolutely correct. But a death is a death, regardless of how it occurs and is no less or more valid in a discussion. Therefore those that die fron Hep C, Covid-19, or on the road are no less, or more dead than any other. Yet we accept that in life there is death.
Bloody hell. Last year we wondered if Britain was leaving the EU. Now we don't even believe we should leave the house.
Peter grimes
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No! No! No!
contagiouness absolutely is the crux of this.
Lock down is relevant to Covid it isn’t really relevant to Hepatitis C.
We accept that in life there is death but we do no let lethal viruses run amok. We try to reduce contagion. We try to improve treatment. We try to equip people to deal with it.
I love sport and I love Gaelic games. I cannot genuinely say that GAA is so important that it has to go ahead during a period when cases are on the rise and any hospitalisations would coincide with the onset of winter.
if I was to guess I would say underage games have more likelihood than senior (club and county) of emerging in something like it’s normal pattern in the spring.
Peter grimes
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Who isn’t mentioning it?
it’s mentioned all the time. It’s hugely relevant to the winter pressures on the NHS
Flu deaths are relevant. We do a huge amount to avoid them. High risk people are given a vaccine every year. There is is a huge amount spent developing a new vaccine every 6 months or so. We don’t have a vaccine for Covid. It would be really, really stupid to not recognise that difference.
Yes. All the more reason to not do something stupid
pablo
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No harm to you Jim, you are one the most valued contributors to this forum and I typically enjoy your banter and discussion. But this is a pile of pish. I've been reluctant to directly comment or give opinion on this forum about the pandemic and restrictions. The nature of my work involves some study of what this virus can do on a cellular level and the havoc it can play with our immune system. It is a c#%t. Nasty piece of work.
As Peter states above; this is a new virus that is very contagious and as we have no immunity to it, that combination is bad, bad, bad news. I'm not going to lecture on exponential spread-but we all should know by now this simply means there is a thin line and narrow window of time between the mild experiences we have had to date, and this thing really kicking off and we getting into deep trouble. The number of death are not high now but will pick up if this thing starts to re-distribute itself again among the different age groups. If we take that c'est la vie attitude you sare espousing and let 60% of the community to be infected, this thing will kill around 36,000 in Northern Ireland-and within a relatively short period of time. Not to forget long term effects of covid on sub population of survivors. Can't even comprehend the impact of that on economy and national morale. I love my football, miss watching games and the craic of discussion. But I am happy to wait this out.
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Big Jim
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Truly sorry that you felt I was espousing a C'est la vie attitude. If you've read any of the other comments I've made, it's far from it, but I will take exception to you describing my opinion as "a pile of pish." It's an opinion and I'm entitled to it. In no way whatsoever do I ever in any way make out that we should let 60% - or any number for that matter, even 0.1% be deliberately exposed. BUT if I choose to drive at 200mph then I deal with the consequences. If I decide that 70mph on a motorway is too high, then I avoid it. That's not like for like. Just an analogy and if you're the educated person I believe you are, you'll understand the difference. Like you, I know a hell of a lot more about this than I speak about. Doesn't matter how, but I do. Never would nor never will belittle it or the consequences. As for the line "Before anyone comes back with the usual stupid line of "yes but it's not the same because of the contagiousness". Why not. It's bollox to say that's Trump-ish and dismissive. Far from it if you actually read the entire sentence in context and not getting your knickers in a twist. What followed that line? "that's absolutely correct. But a death is a death, regardless of how it occurs and is no less or more valid in a discussion." Is that not fair? Is it not true or is it like other international campaigns where the narrative is one line only and woe betide anyone saying something that doesn't fit the narrative? Is that not more Trump like?
Again, I'm sorry if you believed I was simply dismissing the seriousness of it. I'll say again (yes it's repetitive) I'm IN THE HIGH RISK CATEGORY! I'm fully aware of the situation and it's effects. You have zero idea of what I've been through and yes I've lost two members of my family to it which I was determined not to mention, but I don't need anyone pontificating that they know better. My wife and several members of my family work in the health system. Don't think because I fool around I'm a fool. Far from it. I don't need telling it's new. That's a stupid insult to everyone to even suggest that. "No harm to you but........ Easy to know what is gonna follow when someone starts with that. Yes I liked your post, because, well I liked it for the most part, but don't assume you know what I meant because of a few lines you picked up on. Either you totally misread me on this or I totally misrepresented myself this time. One thing for sure though, I will continue with my life regardless of the dangers, no matter where they come from and hopefully everyone that needs protecting from this virus will get that protection. For what it's worth, since February I've lost 4 family members and two family friends to cancer, 1 that was listed as Covid even though in December they were give 3-4 months. I've also lost 1 family member, 1 friend and 1 acquaintance to suicide. It never gets easy going to a funeral or having to stand at a roadside as they pass. The passing or suffering of someone is not lost on me, but I'm going to repeat the sentiment that each death, no matter how it occurs has an identical impact on families and friends.
I'll finish this with the line I've used in 3 posts already. I assume you missed those - "I'm far from being a denier and fully accept the dangers posed from this virus!" No point losing your temper over something someone says on a forum. Only one it annoys is you.
Peter grimes
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That’s a wee bit all over the place.
Genuine sympathies for all that you have gone through. None of that can be easy and after loss there can be a motivation to get on with things but...
These are not normal times and all of our decisions have to take account of current circumstances. The references to car speeds and knowing the risks are the bits I find scary.
I don’t want you to take risks with your own life but I really really don’t want you to take a risk with someone else’s life. There is no personal risk appetite here. This is about collective risk and collective threat to others including the high risk categories. We cannot protect the high risk categories without curtailing our own behaviour.
if we were all on a plane and you wanted off and were willing to risk a crash landing on water to do it your personal risk appetite would be of interest but we wouldn’t let you do it. Your willingness to accept the personal risk wouldn’t come to anything. You are in this with the rest of society. Don’t let it annoy you.
Big Jim
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Not letting it annoy me in the least Peter. The reference to speeding is simple and uncomplicated. Nothing to do with the current pandemic other than if we know the risks to ourselves and others, then we can minimise them. That's bound to make sense to you. You've indicated an understanding with your flying analogy. You identify a risk from someone wanting to get off mid flight and would do whatever you could to minimiser negate that risk. Same thing, different way of putting it.
pablo
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I recognize that you have had difficult losses to carry this year and for that, I am truly sorry.
I have to say though, I just do not understand what point you are trying to make among the yammering.
Nor do I care anymore.
I had told myself never to make comment on or discuss COVID on this forum but still made the mistake of doing so. And that mistake was compounded by precipitating a dispiriting, rambling and emotive argument with somebody who is probably a decent enough spud, but I sense from this point and also knowing me if I continue, we will likely be keyboard enemies. I don’t have the energy or time anymore to do that- not on an Armagh forum.
So that’s it from me. I was not a particularly prolific contributor but I did I love this forum and the opportunity to discuss and reminisce the trials, tribulations and sheer joy of following Armagh. I particularly enjoyed the fortunate moments when I met some of you at some of the games and traveling to Dublin. We will have our big days out again as Armagh supporters but do in the meantime, stay safe and well. Adios muchachos
Rufus T Firefly
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I hope @pablo that you will reconsider. This forum cannot afford to lose any of its top, regular contributors.