2020 season - write off?

JoeH

Well-Known Member
What happens if a player tests positive in Armagh? See Eglish in Tyrone have a player tested positive. There’s no relegation in Tyrone so no issue for them missing games if they have to suspend games
He steps away and maybe the team doesn't field for a week or so to see if others got infected
To stand the entire club down is a bit much
English had to stand down as they were using changing rooms - club should be thrown out of their competitions
A few clubs and chairpersons being complacent about club activities. The guidelines are there for a reason - unfortunately it seems that the very few are going to ruin this for everyone
 

Big Jim

Well-Known Member
What happens if a player tests positive in Armagh? See Eglish in Tyrone have a player tested positive. There’s no relegation in Tyrone so no issue for them missing games if they have to suspend games
Just found this in the official guide under "Covid" (I know, I have no life. Reading these at this time of the day :oops:)


(d) "Covid Regulation” -

League

A club may seek a postponement of a fixture from the CCC if

they can satisfactorily demonstrate that in excess of 5 adult players from the club are unavailable due to being diagnosed positive for Covid or being considered a close contact of a Covid case. Any such games will be refixed for a time and date considered appropriate by the CCC.

Championship

Where a club is unable to fulfil a Championship fixture due to issues related to Covid, the game will be awarded to the opposing team, but without any further penalty being imposed.


Interesting that it's "in excess of 5 players" so six and above a game can be called off. Jeez I think I'd be more worried why there is so many with the damn virus than a bloody game.
 

M18

Active Member
I think if the player had tested positive and hadn’t trained recently with the team then the players then he wouldn’t be a close contact

basically very unlikely 1 positive case doesn’t result in more than 6 people isolating as close contsct
 

Eireogatron

Well-Known Member
I think if the player had tested positive and hadn’t trained recently with the team then the players then he wouldn’t be a close contact

basically very unlikely 1 positive case doesn’t result in more than 6 people isolating as close contsct

True but statistically 1 player would infect less than 1 teammate. And a further overwhelming likelihood is that neither would know as they would "most likely" be asymptomatic. Time to manage this thing rather than stop because of it. In the last 7 months less than 150 people in the 6 counties have died of this thing outside of care homes, it can further be argued that certain "covid deaths" aren't related, I know of someone who banged their head and tragically died and got put down as a covid death.


Leo varadkar has said all recent deaths have been put down as covid regards of cause, nick Hancock has said 1000s of positive tests have been double counted, as well as deaths being counted as covid despite the positive test being over 28 days old, the media are now reporting deaths "with covid" rather than "covid deaths" and numerous medics have said medical misunderstanding the virus actually exacerbated symptoms in early cases causing the initial panic. A guy I was speaking to today was one of the early cases, got told he had a 33% chance of survival and pumped full of drugs, when he woke up he was hallucinating so badly he thought he was on a war camp and refused treatment as he thought it was poison, absolute madness. Thankfully we know more now and it's clear that it's far more manageable with certain proteins than initially thought. Look at the numbers and they are tiny.

Additionally, I'm not a crank, myself and Mrs eireogatron have 3 parents in the 1% "at risk" yet despite 1 testing (asymptomatic) positive, his wife who has massive lung and asthma problems was fine, despite the fact they were isolated together for 2 weeks.

People will test positive, pubs cafes offices trains buses etc are open, time to manage rather than react.
 
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Big Jim

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True but statistically 1 player would infect less than 1 teammate. And a further overwhelming likelihood is that neither would know as they would "most likely" be asymptomatic. Time to manage this thing rather than stop because of it. In the last 7 months less than 150 people in the 6 counties have died of this thing outside of care homes, it can further be argued that certain "covid deaths" aren't related, I know of someone who banged their head and tragically died and got put down as a covid death.


Leo varadkar has said all recent deaths have been put down as covid regards of cause, nick Hancock has said 1000s of positive tests have been double counted, as well as deaths being counted as covid despite the positive test being over 28 days old, the media are now reporting deaths "with covid" rather than "covid deaths" and numerous medics have said medical misunderstanding the virus actually exacerbated symptoms in early cases causing the initial panic. A guy I was speaking to today was one of the early cases, got told he had a 33% chance of survival and pumped full of drugs, when he woke up he was hallucinating so badly he thought he was on a war camp and refused treatment as he thought it was poison, absolute madness. Thankfully we know more now and it's clear that it's far more manageable with certain proteins than initially thought. Look at the numbers and they are tiny.

Additionally, I'm not a crank, myself and Mrs eireogatron have 3 parents in the 1% "at risk" yet despite 1 testing (asymptomatic) positive, his wife who has massive lung and asthma problems was fine, despite the fact they were isolated together for 2 weeks.

People will test positive, pubs cafes offices trains buses etc are open, time to manage rather than react.
Possibly the most sensible post in a while (not that I'd know sensible before anyone else says it).

I think you're spot on when you suggest that a lot of people especially media got caught up in hysteria. It's not to belittle those that died or even suffered severe sickness, as that is truly sad and horrible for them, but many many more have died from cancers and other illnesses which are either not highlighted or as @Eireogatron says, simply noted as "with covid" and it's been publicly stated that some weren't even tested because they had "symptoms" before passing away.

I've argued for a while now that being sensible rather than locked up up like rabid animals would be a much healthier option. Some will still be scared and feel they must continue to take major precautions and that's natural and fine. Whatever works for the individual, but almost everyone knows that speeding kills and far too many still take the chance. It's human nature. Agin I'll reiterate, I'm in the so called "high risk category", but am determined to "live" whatever number of years I'm gifted with and not be caged up. Life is short enough.
 

anonymous

New Member
Killeavy seconds player after testing positive. Whole club shut down.

The Armagh League regulations state the following:
(d) "Covid Regulation” - League
A club may seek a postponement of a fixture from the CCC if they can satisfactorily demonstrate that in excess of 5 adult players from the club are unavailable due to being diagnosed positive for Covid or being considered a close contact of a Covid case. Any such games will be refixed for a time and date considered appropriate by the CCC.

There seems to be a huge difference between the rules (if you have 5 missing due to COVID the league fixture should still take place) and the reality of clubs suspending activities as soon as there is one positive case.
I do wonder which is right.
 

JoeH

Well-Known Member
First of all Best of luck to the player involved - quick recovery

However why is the entire club shutting down - as facilities are closed then the chances of passing it on become less.
If its an adult then why are all the underage stopped?
Difficult argument but if every club shut down when there was a case, and there will be more like this, the calls from the very few will rise.
The GAA has sent out guidelines on this
 

ShiftYa

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First of all Best of luck to the player involved - quick recovery

However why is the entire club shutting down - as facilities are closed then the chances of passing it on become less.
If its an adult then why are all the underage stopped?
Difficult argument but if every club shut down when there was a case, and there will be more like this, the calls from the very few will rise.
The GAA has sent out guidelines on this
From the looks of it the club themselves made the decision, they probably weren’t required to take such drastic action but chose to anyway. It’ll be interesting to hear what the cb says. If there told that if they don’t field for their championship game against grange they’ll be booted out of the championship I suspect they might try to reopen.
 
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ShiftYa

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U-turn made already

Update from the Chairman

I have been in contact with our Covid positive player and he has informed me that Public Health have already carried out tests on his close contacts. The results of these tests should be known tomorrow and unless we have any more positives affecting members then activities should return to normal immediately with the exception of the single team affected (Men's Senior 2nds). At the moment, the County Board has confirmed that our senior (1sts) fixture with Granemore tomorrow evening remains on.
 

JoeH

Well-Known Member
U-turn made already

Update from the Chairman

I have been in contact with our Covid positive player and he has informed me that Public Health have already carried out tests on his close contacts. The results of these tests should be known tomorrow and unless we have any more positives affecting members then activities should return to normal immediately with the exception of the single team affected (Men's Senior 2nds). At the moment, the County Board has confirmed that our senior (1sts) fixture with Granemore tomorrow evening remains on.
I don't call this a U-turn. Its an update.
 

True

New Member
If anything it shows the importance of tracing, player tested positive was able to provide full details of everyone he has been in close contact with who are now being tested.
 

Big Jim

Well-Known Member
Anyone else picking up on the fact that the relaxation of the rules allowing attendance at games had no caveats except making sure to adhere to social distance guidance (is it 1metre or still bleedin 2 metres as there's so many conflicts and at a hospital appointment last week it was posted as 1m?), but now Ulster GAA have decided to limit numbers to 400. Based on what? DO they have different better advice? Did yer man at the head of Croke Park not say they were pushing for "at least" 500 to make things viable? Left hand doesn't have a clue that a right hand even exists and possibly just someone feeling important. By the way I'm not disagreeing with a directive, just querying the science and logic behind the decision.
 

h754136

Active Member
nick Hancock has said 1000s of positive tests have been double counted, as well as deaths being counted as covid despite the positive test being over 28 days old, the media are now reporting deaths "with covid" rather than "covid deaths" and numerous medics have said medical misunderstanding the virus actually exacerbated symptoms in early cases causing the initial panic.

There's been plenty of room 101 for double counting with the balls the government have made of things. It's a shame that some people just look at the big figures and they think it's all over.
 

PatMustard

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Anyone else picking up on the fact that the relaxation of the rules allowing attendance at games had no caveats except making sure to adhere to social distance guidance (is it 1metre or still bleedin 2 metres as there's so many conflicts and at a hospital appointment last week it was posted as 1m?), but now Ulster GAA have decided to limit numbers to 400. Based on what? DO they have different better advice? Did yer man at the head of Croke Park not say they were pushing for "at least" 500 to make things viable? Left hand doesn't have a clue that a right hand even exists and possibly just someone feeling important. By the way I'm not disagreeing with a directive, just querying the science and logic behind the decision.

400 for club games? Sure some clubs might only have a small bank to stand on or a bit of a sideline, and 400 might be a bit crowded.

Are stewards going to visit every group of 2 or more spectators and ask them if they’re from the same household?

It’s not perfect, but if people do attend, keep your distance. 2 metres is my rule... at least at that distance Mrs M can’t clobber me.
 
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