We have won 1 AI title and 1 Div 1 National League in our history. Let that sink in.
All Ireland series
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JoeH
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We missed 3 goals and say 3 points in the first 15minutes or so
We hit some bad wides from frees and from play.
We had a free given wide when it was clearly a point (according to TV)
Did we have another wide that was a score?
I understand Tyrone had a point given that was a wide.
They missed say 1-4 and also hit some great points from play from distance
Down to 14men and frankly I'm surprised Rians red card didn't happen in other games. He gets sweet f**k all protection from the match officials and I've thought his discipline this year has been fantastic given the physical abuse and I'm sure verbal abuse.
Of course he will be targeted but players like him need protection.
On another day we'd have won by 8-10pts but we can't seem to find those days
This team is in transition and needs to find it's identity
We hit some bad wides from frees and from play.
We had a free given wide when it was clearly a point (according to TV)
Did we have another wide that was a score?
I understand Tyrone had a point given that was a wide.
They missed say 1-4 and also hit some great points from play from distance
Down to 14men and frankly I'm surprised Rians red card didn't happen in other games. He gets sweet f**k all protection from the match officials and I've thought his discipline this year has been fantastic given the physical abuse and I'm sure verbal abuse.
Of course he will be targeted but players like him need protection.
On another day we'd have won by 8-10pts but we can't seem to find those days
This team is in transition and needs to find it's identity
Seamy
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Haven't commented on here in a while given some of the reactions to previous results and performances and I see tonight it's no different.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion as supporters, but to see certain people(person) in particular constantly berate and slate management and a small number of players is cowardly, childish and clearly the ramblings of a someone with very little actual insight to the game. A quick look through the 50 or so comments of the person in question and you quickly see this theme.
Anyway, on to tonight. Not much in the way of positives but a lot of that came from the red card. I didn't see the incident so can't comment but Rian's discipline has been a let down in the recent past.
I think the red forced the managements hand in terms of the substitutions we made. The Tyrone FF line, Donnelly in particular caused serious damage and although I'd have liked to see a change here, I can see why it was left as was in order to introduce more attacking options. That being said out Full Back line were found out a bit tonight.
Murnin is a breath of fresh air. A throwback to an old school style in some ways. He just keeps going and going. His catch in the last 5 mins was top notch. Duffy tried hard, got on ball and covered ground but his scoring threat has been less evident.
Turbitt's missed free was disappointing. He has struggled for form a small bit of late. And similarly, I think introducing Soupy off the bench might be a better option going forward.
Jarly Óg just hasn't been at the races at all of late. Almost playing like a bit of a passenger, a man afraid to make a mistake and playing it safe. He had a good 6/7 minute spell where he showed just how good he can be but that was it. And that's the frustrating part because he has the talent in spades. When he takes a man on, cuts inside and puts the pedal down he wins a free at the very least.
A lot of talk about Cian McConville of late on here. He got minutes in difficult circumstances but was fairly easily brushed off the ball at one stage and failed to impose himself at all. So maybe he's a bit further off than some think. Similarly, Ross McQuillan hasn't offered much, like Jarly, a man with pace and power who seems reluctant to use it.
Overall, a point not given, two goal chances, them getting on that was wide, handy frees missed, a lot of wides, played in 21° heat, away from home and all the while with 14 men for 50 odd minutes, maybe it's not just time for the panic button yet.
And none of the above influenced by the line, but by the 15+ men on the field.
Galway in two weeks and more than likely a preliminary QF then. Plenty of ball to be kicked yet.
Everybody is entitled to their opinion as supporters, but to see certain people(person) in particular constantly berate and slate management and a small number of players is cowardly, childish and clearly the ramblings of a someone with very little actual insight to the game. A quick look through the 50 or so comments of the person in question and you quickly see this theme.
Anyway, on to tonight. Not much in the way of positives but a lot of that came from the red card. I didn't see the incident so can't comment but Rian's discipline has been a let down in the recent past.
I think the red forced the managements hand in terms of the substitutions we made. The Tyrone FF line, Donnelly in particular caused serious damage and although I'd have liked to see a change here, I can see why it was left as was in order to introduce more attacking options. That being said out Full Back line were found out a bit tonight.
Murnin is a breath of fresh air. A throwback to an old school style in some ways. He just keeps going and going. His catch in the last 5 mins was top notch. Duffy tried hard, got on ball and covered ground but his scoring threat has been less evident.
Turbitt's missed free was disappointing. He has struggled for form a small bit of late. And similarly, I think introducing Soupy off the bench might be a better option going forward.
Jarly Óg just hasn't been at the races at all of late. Almost playing like a bit of a passenger, a man afraid to make a mistake and playing it safe. He had a good 6/7 minute spell where he showed just how good he can be but that was it. And that's the frustrating part because he has the talent in spades. When he takes a man on, cuts inside and puts the pedal down he wins a free at the very least.
A lot of talk about Cian McConville of late on here. He got minutes in difficult circumstances but was fairly easily brushed off the ball at one stage and failed to impose himself at all. So maybe he's a bit further off than some think. Similarly, Ross McQuillan hasn't offered much, like Jarly, a man with pace and power who seems reluctant to use it.
Overall, a point not given, two goal chances, them getting on that was wide, handy frees missed, a lot of wides, played in 21° heat, away from home and all the while with 14 men for 50 odd minutes, maybe it's not just time for the panic button yet.
And none of the above influenced by the line, but by the 15+ men on the field.
Galway in two weeks and more than likely a preliminary QF then. Plenty of ball to be kicked yet.
Ed Ricketts
Active Member
Some random thoughts on today:
There seemed to be a consensus around me in the stand that we were all watching two poor teams. Some basic skill execution was shocking - balls kicked over the sideline, misplaced 5 yard hand passes, really poor wides. Hard to see either side going further than the quarter finals without huge improvement.
We're 13 proper games into this season, and it still doesn't look like Armagh are close to finding a winning balance in their brand of football. They remain fine defensively, but I have yet to get a sense that there's any sort of structure or plan going forward. It's all very off the cuff, get the ball to O'Neill in the 'shooting pocket', or take a pot shot, or run down a blind alley. This has been the biggest disappointment of the year.
That red card was in the post all year. Rian has been running around like a grumpy heure giving sneaky digs in pretty much every game to date. He gets a lot of abuse himself of course, but that doesn't excuse his own behaviour. This has been his poorest year in an Armagh jersey, and he has capped that by letting everyone down this evening. Someone needs to have a word.
It was a bit mad that Armagh were a desperate fly-kicked clearance away from nicking a draw, despite being largely woeful, and despite playing for about 50 mins with 14 men. A lot of that is down to how nervous and mediocre Tyrone were on the night, but some of it is also due to the valiant efforts of a few Armagh men. Duffy, Murnin and Grugan put in serious shifts for fellas that must have known they were probably chasing a lost cause.
Would love to know what the plan was on that last 50. Only a goal would do, so why was the ball tipped over the bar? Why was Rafferty collecting it short, instead of making a nuisance of himself around the square? Tyrone were jittery as shite at that stage, who knows what might have happened with a decent high ball landed in.
Poor enough evening for Aiden Forker in the FB line. Perhaps it's time to give him a swansong back in the forward line? It feels like he is no longer a better defensive solution than bench options like Paddy Burns or Barry McCambridge, and I'd like to think he could add some creativity to the misfiring forward line. Soupy Campbell confirmed again this evening that he provides much more impact off the bench, so there is probably an open spot in the HF line. I think it's worth a try.
Understandable that Armagh dropped off the Tyrone kick-outs when a man down (at least until they went for broke in the last 10 mins). But I didn't understand the plan before that. Some kick-outs were fully pressed, others were sort of pressed with one/two Tyrone man left free, and yet others weren't really pressed at all. It almost looks like some weird hybrid system to keep the opponent guessing - either that, or the intention actually is to press but it's just really poorly executed by the players. It's definitely frustrating to watch.
Hard to see where Armagh's season sparks from here. They've looked really flat the last two weeks. Energy levels, concentration, discipline all way down on the Ulster final performance. The optimist in me wants to believe that these group stage games have been sacrificed so that the knock out games can be hit with renewed focus, but that's looking a hard sell right now. It feels like things are just drifting a bit, and a feeble ending to the year is just around the corner. We continue to live in hope.
Finally, chat about the management is futile at this stage of the year. Sure they could probably be doing some things better, and I'm certain there will be a thorough evaluation of the situation at the end of the season. But I'd caution those now baying for replacement to be careful what you wish for...
The current group of players didn't just land into McGeeney's lap - he has crafted this team over many, many years. In the absence of any sort of conveyor belt of underage talent over the last decade, resources have had to maximised and intercounty players have had to be moulded from what was available. There are men putting in good shifts for Armagh at the top level who probably wouldn't be near intercounty football under any other management - it's from these efforts that we have our modest amount of squad depth. When the current management team does depart, which may be soon enough, it will very likely precipitate the retirement of up to half a dozen playing stalwarts. We will then enter a rebuilding phase, and with little to shout about in Armagh football recently at underage or club level, it looks not at all unlikely that the only way will be down (or, Down - like in languishing in Div 3 and going nowhere fast). Anyone that thinks we'll hit the next level just by landing Oisin McConville, Tony McEntee, or Malachy O'Rourke in on top of the current playing group isn't living in the real world.
There seemed to be a consensus around me in the stand that we were all watching two poor teams. Some basic skill execution was shocking - balls kicked over the sideline, misplaced 5 yard hand passes, really poor wides. Hard to see either side going further than the quarter finals without huge improvement.
We're 13 proper games into this season, and it still doesn't look like Armagh are close to finding a winning balance in their brand of football. They remain fine defensively, but I have yet to get a sense that there's any sort of structure or plan going forward. It's all very off the cuff, get the ball to O'Neill in the 'shooting pocket', or take a pot shot, or run down a blind alley. This has been the biggest disappointment of the year.
That red card was in the post all year. Rian has been running around like a grumpy heure giving sneaky digs in pretty much every game to date. He gets a lot of abuse himself of course, but that doesn't excuse his own behaviour. This has been his poorest year in an Armagh jersey, and he has capped that by letting everyone down this evening. Someone needs to have a word.
It was a bit mad that Armagh were a desperate fly-kicked clearance away from nicking a draw, despite being largely woeful, and despite playing for about 50 mins with 14 men. A lot of that is down to how nervous and mediocre Tyrone were on the night, but some of it is also due to the valiant efforts of a few Armagh men. Duffy, Murnin and Grugan put in serious shifts for fellas that must have known they were probably chasing a lost cause.
Would love to know what the plan was on that last 50. Only a goal would do, so why was the ball tipped over the bar? Why was Rafferty collecting it short, instead of making a nuisance of himself around the square? Tyrone were jittery as shite at that stage, who knows what might have happened with a decent high ball landed in.
Poor enough evening for Aiden Forker in the FB line. Perhaps it's time to give him a swansong back in the forward line? It feels like he is no longer a better defensive solution than bench options like Paddy Burns or Barry McCambridge, and I'd like to think he could add some creativity to the misfiring forward line. Soupy Campbell confirmed again this evening that he provides much more impact off the bench, so there is probably an open spot in the HF line. I think it's worth a try.
Understandable that Armagh dropped off the Tyrone kick-outs when a man down (at least until they went for broke in the last 10 mins). But I didn't understand the plan before that. Some kick-outs were fully pressed, others were sort of pressed with one/two Tyrone man left free, and yet others weren't really pressed at all. It almost looks like some weird hybrid system to keep the opponent guessing - either that, or the intention actually is to press but it's just really poorly executed by the players. It's definitely frustrating to watch.
Hard to see where Armagh's season sparks from here. They've looked really flat the last two weeks. Energy levels, concentration, discipline all way down on the Ulster final performance. The optimist in me wants to believe that these group stage games have been sacrificed so that the knock out games can be hit with renewed focus, but that's looking a hard sell right now. It feels like things are just drifting a bit, and a feeble ending to the year is just around the corner. We continue to live in hope.
Finally, chat about the management is futile at this stage of the year. Sure they could probably be doing some things better, and I'm certain there will be a thorough evaluation of the situation at the end of the season. But I'd caution those now baying for replacement to be careful what you wish for...
The current group of players didn't just land into McGeeney's lap - he has crafted this team over many, many years. In the absence of any sort of conveyor belt of underage talent over the last decade, resources have had to maximised and intercounty players have had to be moulded from what was available. There are men putting in good shifts for Armagh at the top level who probably wouldn't be near intercounty football under any other management - it's from these efforts that we have our modest amount of squad depth. When the current management team does depart, which may be soon enough, it will very likely precipitate the retirement of up to half a dozen playing stalwarts. We will then enter a rebuilding phase, and with little to shout about in Armagh football recently at underage or club level, it looks not at all unlikely that the only way will be down (or, Down - like in languishing in Div 3 and going nowhere fast). Anyone that thinks we'll hit the next level just by landing Oisin McConville, Tony McEntee, or Malachy O'Rourke in on top of the current playing group isn't living in the real world.
GeorgeTowntoNewtown
Member
I'm in Ireland for my first summer this summer. I've been for two winters but not yet a summer, I'm excited.
I've just realized that if Armagh get to further rounds, I'll be in Armagh. I need everyone to help me will power the shit out of this. I can't do it alone.
I'm here with Colum Mckinstrys daughter awesome midfielder back in the day and she's telling me win the ball in the mid and attack, attack, attack! Then score.
I've just realized that if Armagh get to further rounds, I'll be in Armagh. I need everyone to help me will power the shit out of this. I can't do it alone.
I'm here with Colum Mckinstrys daughter awesome midfielder back in the day and she's telling me win the ball in the mid and attack, attack, attack! Then score.
Another year of this management and we probably will be finished, why does Armagh football constantly sabotage itself? The team deserves the best chance but are tied in knots. I would have loved if Mc Geeney had taken success to Armagh with this team as no one given more to Armagh football but that team needs a fresh approach and new thinking.
Mc Geeney will be there next year dead cert.
You're very sure. Why?
Ouch It’s Francie
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My take on that is the square ball rule. From a live ball a player can be in the square once the ball leaves the foot or hand of a teammate. From the dead ball, the old rule applies. So Rory going short to Ethan made sense, however not fisting it or kicking it into the square after the play developed didn’t!!
Peter grimes
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Just seen the McGeeney interview on Rte website.
He doesn’t address the gameplan points I would like to see addressed but to be fair to him he wasn’t asked those questions.
The point he raises about the chances we missed early in the last 2 games is perfectly fair and accurate. Fans have already made the same point. In addition to chances missed he also needs to reflect on chances not taken on. Late in the game when Tyrone had retreated we had chances to take on the posts from the edge of the D. The go to seems to be to solo on and lay off to someone on the cutback. But then they don’t shoot either. Confidence is an issue.
Really don’t know what McGeeney is talking about in terms of referees. I do think we should have had a free rather a 45 at the end. But given we pointed it, it made no difference.
He doesn’t address the gameplan points I would like to see addressed but to be fair to him he wasn’t asked those questions.
The point he raises about the chances we missed early in the last 2 games is perfectly fair and accurate. Fans have already made the same point. In addition to chances missed he also needs to reflect on chances not taken on. Late in the game when Tyrone had retreated we had chances to take on the posts from the edge of the D. The go to seems to be to solo on and lay off to someone on the cutback. But then they don’t shoot either. Confidence is an issue.
Really don’t know what McGeeney is talking about in terms of referees. I do think we should have had a free rather a 45 at the end. But given we pointed it, it made no difference.
Berfaboy77
Active Member
I purposely waited before posting, but I fell exactly the same this morning. That was a pure puke fest by both teams last night. £22 quid to watch that, all GAA managers at the minute need to reflect and consider what they are doing. The game has been destroyed as a spectacle.
I don’t expect Armagh to win the AI, if I’m honest weee short in a few departments. We’ve adopted this new defensive counter attacking plan which is fair enough, but it is not resulting n winning games against any half decent side. The players don’t look to be enjoying it and it doesn’t suit out players. I’d rather we just went for it, return to our passing game. Fans would accept defeat if they are entertained and can actually see the team trying to be creative,
I just don’t get conceding the kickouts
Particularly after such a flat performance last week, the crowd was on their backs straight away. Very depressing all round, I’m not going to jump on the players backs, they gave a hell of a lot more than me and
I’m sure they feel just the same today.
Not aure where things go from here. Spark seems to be completely missing
I don’t expect Armagh to win the AI, if I’m honest weee short in a few departments. We’ve adopted this new defensive counter attacking plan which is fair enough, but it is not resulting n winning games against any half decent side. The players don’t look to be enjoying it and it doesn’t suit out players. I’d rather we just went for it, return to our passing game. Fans would accept defeat if they are entertained and can actually see the team trying to be creative,
I just don’t get conceding the kickouts
Particularly after such a flat performance last week, the crowd was on their backs straight away. Very depressing all round, I’m not going to jump on the players backs, they gave a hell of a lot more than me and
I’m sure they feel just the same today.
Not aure where things go from here. Spark seems to be completely missing
Ná habair é
Member
Have too many different thoughts on actual match to comment yet.
On a side issue, obviously we're responsible for our own results and Rian has to accept responsibility for his own actions, but noticed last night the linesman who reported the incident was from Galway. He was also down as the standby ref and would have taken over the game if anything (injury/ illness etc) had happened to Martin McNally. Surely match officials should come from counties outside the teams competing in each group.
IMHO standard or officials last night was poor. Armagh point not given. Tyrone wide given as point. Ref not only did not see the Rian incident but also missed a clear black card for Tyrone at exactly the same time.
According to RTE (J Cantwell) Rian red was for '....To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent....'. Looks like a Category 111 5.17 in rule book. Does anyone know what punishment is? Will he get one match ban or is his season over? Will fact that it was the linesman and not referee have any bearing on the appeal if there is one??
On a brighter note Armagh support last night was fantastic!!
On a side issue, obviously we're responsible for our own results and Rian has to accept responsibility for his own actions, but noticed last night the linesman who reported the incident was from Galway. He was also down as the standby ref and would have taken over the game if anything (injury/ illness etc) had happened to Martin McNally. Surely match officials should come from counties outside the teams competing in each group.
IMHO standard or officials last night was poor. Armagh point not given. Tyrone wide given as point. Ref not only did not see the Rian incident but also missed a clear black card for Tyrone at exactly the same time.
According to RTE (J Cantwell) Rian red was for '....To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent....'. Looks like a Category 111 5.17 in rule book. Does anyone know what punishment is? Will he get one match ban or is his season over? Will fact that it was the linesman and not referee have any bearing on the appeal if there is one??
On a brighter note Armagh support last night was fantastic!!
Orchard Apples
Member
Rian's red was disappointing but completely predictable. Have been fearing this would happen for a while, he can't keep his cool. Get that he is harassed constantly, but still...something needs to change.
The lads confidence is low at the moment, I'm not sure how they can get that spark back at this stage.
The lads confidence is low at the moment, I'm not sure how they can get that spark back at this stage.
Curious that a Cork player in the exact same circumstances did the exact same thing on the same day.
Big Jim
Well-Known Member
Feeling crap because of who it was that beat us, but other than stupid errors, I felt the team put in a mighty shift. Jeez those diving midgets are a bunch of diving midgets. Right from the start they targeted Rian and Andrew doing all they could to have both leave the field with by card or stretcher. I'm not sure why there aren't more talking about it. Rian stupidly "fell" for it, but yes his discipline is atrocious. Not a recent thing either. At club level he was carded in club championship for a horrible incident with Aidan Forker a while back. If he kept control and focused he's almost unplayable 95% of the time, but again unfortunately he knows it - it results in arrogance.
Again no one died so we move on.
Kieran McGeeney will be manager of the senior county team until a time when Kieran has had enough and decides to call it a day. He will decide in conjunction with a discussion with the county board. He's better than to be hounded out by a muppet with a keyboard and a paintbrush to leave a sign at a roadside. A muppet that wouldn't have the cahoonas to face down an angry milkman collecting money for charity. If said muppet is as brave as their fingers, then publicly identify themselves and do the same things in public. This is not me saying that Kieran should stay after this season, I couldn't justify that, but my gut feeling is we'd be worse off after his departure, maybe for a while. This is just my opinion on whether he will stay or not.
In general, I don't think the ref did a bad job and certainly didn't cost us the game. On the missed black card, I never seen it at the time and certainly not one player was calling it out. The tv have a few different camera angles to view and can see something that is blocked for an official, maybe justifiably too as they were concentrating on what Rian was up to. You can be sure that was their brief.
Missed or wrongly given point call?? Hmmmm. Human error. Hold your hand up if you've never made a mistake and almost immediately realised it but too late to change.......... Go on and I'll point to someone that's a stranger to the truth. Shit like that happens. This year in Croke Park an umpire gave a wide and was screamed at by numerous players. Even the goalkeeper didn't make his usual "wide" gesture. The ref actually made the Hawkeye call and it turned out to be a score, so even when the technology was available to be used, the official felt he'd made the right call waving it wide and didn't ask for assistance for that one. He was wrong, but no one can say deliberately so.
Ah well, again no one died so we move on!!
Again no one died so we move on.
Kieran McGeeney will be manager of the senior county team until a time when Kieran has had enough and decides to call it a day. He will decide in conjunction with a discussion with the county board. He's better than to be hounded out by a muppet with a keyboard and a paintbrush to leave a sign at a roadside. A muppet that wouldn't have the cahoonas to face down an angry milkman collecting money for charity. If said muppet is as brave as their fingers, then publicly identify themselves and do the same things in public. This is not me saying that Kieran should stay after this season, I couldn't justify that, but my gut feeling is we'd be worse off after his departure, maybe for a while. This is just my opinion on whether he will stay or not.
That's something I've long questioned. It's more prevalent in league when we play (for example in this case) Galway next and the ref is a Galway man. They shouldn't consider that, but it's human nature. Again as an example last week the midgets played Galway and I couldn't help wish they were beaten, same for yesterday and again in the next round - ok maybe not the same then!!!!
In general, I don't think the ref did a bad job and certainly didn't cost us the game. On the missed black card, I never seen it at the time and certainly not one player was calling it out. The tv have a few different camera angles to view and can see something that is blocked for an official, maybe justifiably too as they were concentrating on what Rian was up to. You can be sure that was their brief.
Missed or wrongly given point call?? Hmmmm. Human error. Hold your hand up if you've never made a mistake and almost immediately realised it but too late to change.......... Go on and I'll point to someone that's a stranger to the truth. Shit like that happens. This year in Croke Park an umpire gave a wide and was screamed at by numerous players. Even the goalkeeper didn't make his usual "wide" gesture. The ref actually made the Hawkeye call and it turned out to be a score, so even when the technology was available to be used, the official felt he'd made the right call waving it wide and didn't ask for assistance for that one. He was wrong, but no one can say deliberately so.
None whatsoever. A linesman or umpire, even the 4th official may speak to the ref in a break in play and bring to his/her attention an incident that may need dealt with including up to issuing a red card. If someone from the crowd influenced the decision by telling the ref, that's the only thing that would make it different. Having seen the footage, I'd love to see what grounds there are for appeal. He knelt on and held pressure on the dicks head and neck. Rian is a massively talented and strong individual. He should be using that to get up the nose of his opponent and torture them that way. I'm sorry, but I don't see him currently as a captain or leader of that team. Massive player as he is, he cannot possibly lead like that. Should be a north Armagh man anywayAccording to RTE (J Cantwell) Rian red was for '....To behave in any way which is dangerous to an opponent....'. Looks like a Category 111 5.17 in rule book. Does anyone know what punishment is? Will he get one match ban or is his season over? Will fact that it was the linesman and not referee have any bearing on the appeal if there is one??
On a brighter note Armagh support last night was fantastic!!
Ah well, again no one died so we move on!!
William Of Orange
Well-Known Member
The one thing about the last two games for me is despite the comments around CMK and everything being geared to the super 16s it’s clear that the Ulster final has completely deflated the team , it’s probably affecting management as well, the frustration was probably summed up by the joint captain getting sent off an idiotic moment .it was a fear myself and others had here that we may not be able to recover from the Derry match .
Hard to see where Armagh's season moves on from here and if we can raise any sort of performance against Galway and it’s probably certainly an away prelim quarter final at best even if we get a result against Galway given the likely margin of victory for Tyrone against Westmeath and Galway’s margin yesterday . It does feel as others have said like things are just drifting a bit and we are awaiting the inevitable knock out punch to put us out of our misery.
The management and particular Kieran are getting slated , However they were a number of things yesterday that we should acknowledge in their defence , they can’t control player’s discipline like the actions of Rian yesterday which made the result inevitable , the team had created more clear goal chances in this match than even the down game with missed shots being the main ‘assist’ before , they can’t put the ball in the net . Armagh probably won most possession around midfield which has been a criticism about the team this year and apart from one blatant kick out that went wrong and being down to 14 players for most of the game the kick outs worked adequately, the second half performance in general the team gave their all and the effort should be appreciated, after a stage of containment we started our power play with Rafferty pushing up more and more and we had Tyrone rattled , however it’s debatable if this was because Tyrone lost their way .
Overall with missed frees , poor shot selections , missed goal chances ,discipline , and even a point being ruled wide you can’t put all the blame on McGeeney however the point about are we playing to our strength should also we addressed, my view is that Armagh playing football getting hands on early up the pitch pressing in numbers is the best style that optimise their strengths and the more defensive style we play against the stronger teams is leading to these consistent narrow losses.
Against Galway let’s just go for it , it probably won’t make any difference to our position where we will finish 3rd , take the shackles off even try a few players in a few different positions just go for it ,
Whatever opinion we have about the manager and staff they deserve respect, we should acknowledge that the resources they have are below a lot of our neighbours never mind the Dublins and Kerry’s , the normal WUMs coming on after a defeat is inevitable and predictable and all I can say is yawn ……however the fact that Putin is involved probably shows he heard about the new orange revolution , but seriously personal attacks for people that have dedicated their lives to Armagh is unacceptable.
Hard to see where Armagh's season moves on from here and if we can raise any sort of performance against Galway and it’s probably certainly an away prelim quarter final at best even if we get a result against Galway given the likely margin of victory for Tyrone against Westmeath and Galway’s margin yesterday . It does feel as others have said like things are just drifting a bit and we are awaiting the inevitable knock out punch to put us out of our misery.
The management and particular Kieran are getting slated , However they were a number of things yesterday that we should acknowledge in their defence , they can’t control player’s discipline like the actions of Rian yesterday which made the result inevitable , the team had created more clear goal chances in this match than even the down game with missed shots being the main ‘assist’ before , they can’t put the ball in the net . Armagh probably won most possession around midfield which has been a criticism about the team this year and apart from one blatant kick out that went wrong and being down to 14 players for most of the game the kick outs worked adequately, the second half performance in general the team gave their all and the effort should be appreciated, after a stage of containment we started our power play with Rafferty pushing up more and more and we had Tyrone rattled , however it’s debatable if this was because Tyrone lost their way .
Overall with missed frees , poor shot selections , missed goal chances ,discipline , and even a point being ruled wide you can’t put all the blame on McGeeney however the point about are we playing to our strength should also we addressed, my view is that Armagh playing football getting hands on early up the pitch pressing in numbers is the best style that optimise their strengths and the more defensive style we play against the stronger teams is leading to these consistent narrow losses.
Against Galway let’s just go for it , it probably won’t make any difference to our position where we will finish 3rd , take the shackles off even try a few players in a few different positions just go for it ,
Whatever opinion we have about the manager and staff they deserve respect, we should acknowledge that the resources they have are below a lot of our neighbours never mind the Dublins and Kerry’s , the normal WUMs coming on after a defeat is inevitable and predictable and all I can say is yawn ……however the fact that Putin is involved probably shows he heard about the new orange revolution , but seriously personal attacks for people that have dedicated their lives to Armagh is unacceptable.
Putting on the optimistic head here. We can still top the group.
We beat Galway. Not beyond the realms of possibility if we play well. We are both on 4 points.
WM beat Tyrone. Again not beyond the realms of possibility. WM have played well and Tyrone are no great shakes. They are both on 2 points
In this scenario we win the group and Tyrone finish bottom. What's not to like
We beat Galway. Not beyond the realms of possibility if we play well. We are both on 4 points.
WM beat Tyrone. Again not beyond the realms of possibility. WM have played well and Tyrone are no great shakes. They are both on 2 points
In this scenario we win the group and Tyrone finish bottom. What's not to like
Orchard Apples
Member
Love the optimism but hard to see us beating galway at this rate.
Saying that, we played better in the second half after oneill was taken off
SaintSeamy
Active Member
Does Rian get a four week ban?
Worried that he will be out for the knock out games.
Worried that he will be out for the knock out games.