All Ireland series

stevie_06

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The black card play was perhaps the most telling of the match. To be a man up for 7 minutes of extra time and return only one point direct from the throw in as well. Had we exerted more pressure then we could have turned the screw. Anyway.
We did have 2 bad wides during that period. One from Grugan which looked like a tired kick. And the other from McPartland which drifted just wide of the post.

If they go over then we have a three point lead and Monaghan would have needed a goal. Even if one of them went over it would have put us in a strong position that I think we would have held onto to.
 

niall1980

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It never gets any easier. Each Armagh Championship exit seems to have a special twist of the knife, and last night was no exception.

I've often said that Geezer has to be one of the unluckiest managers about. At a guess, I'd venture there have been no more than 5/6 Senior Championship penalty shoot outs. We have now been in three and lost each one.

That said, my sense is that there was more than bad luck at play, as I felt we did not take the opportunity to impose ourselves on what I consider a marginally inferior team. That was never more evident than during the ten minutes of the black card, when we allowed Monaghan to run down the clock. I felt more urgency on our part at that time, had the potential to open up a telling 2/3 point lead.

We also spurned some great opportunities for goals and indeed points which all added to my belied that Armagh continue to lack a ruthless streak.

Another hugely eventful year ends in bitter disappointment again, with a definite feeling of a wonderful opportunity spurned.

A sense now that there will be decisions to be made by a lot of influential people which will have significant impacts for us moving forward, so appropriate to thank everyone involved for their commitment this year. Still some great memories despite the disappointments.

I wouldn't swap my County for any other.

Roll on 2024.
While we can be counted as unlucky to have lost 3 - no big surprise really considering we dont have an actual keeper - we never should have been in any penalty shoot out
 

thehighballinlow

Active Member
Hard to take a defeat like that had we lost having a go then maybe i could accept that.

Alot of us on the forum during the week spoke about match up and players to watch we picked o connell, mc carthey bannigan and these 3 in particular along with darren hughes and mohan where their standout players.

Correct me if im wrong but since the glaway game we seem to have gone back to the slow side to side build up and not very rarely kicked it yesterday. This was summed up in extra time with spoupy standing on their D for (5-10 secs free) and not once did the players look up.

On the stats mongahan had 26 shot to our 18 shots this tells its own story. In them type of games you get at most 2 goals chances we got 3 and took zero. I cant understand why the ball was fisted over the bar at that stage.

I see a lot of comments about monaghan been limited or poor and people wouldnt swap any of their players for ours that completely wrong. Do we have a half back like mc carthy that can score 3 from play, a half back like o connell every time he gets the ball he breaks the line.

To lose on penos again is hard, I fancied us by 2 or 3 but once the teams were named we already snookered and penos is a lottery.

I hope the players and management take a few weeks to reset, get back to the clubs and back to enjoying football. Dont want to see any tweets or posts about retirements for at least 2 weeks.

Finally want to thank all players ans managers for the year while not the greatest football it definitely did have the drama.
 

thecritic

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While we can be counted as unlucky to have lost 3 - no big surprise really considering we dont have an actual keeper - we never should have been in any penalty shoot out
Yeah, there's only one winner in a shoot-out when it's 'keeper vs midfielder. I wonder are we developing goalkeepers at underage level? Not a dig at Ethan by-the-way, he's had a very good year in general.
 

Peter grimes

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While we can be counted as unlucky to have lost 3 - no big surprise really considering we dont have an actual keeper - we never should have been in any penalty shoot out
this is true but sometimes for very different reason. We were lucky to get to penalties against Galway.

But mistakes on and of the pitch brought us to penalties against Derry and Monaghan.
 

niall1980

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this is true but sometimes for very different reason. We were lucky to get to penalties against Galway.

But mistakes on and of the pitch brought us to penalties against Derry and Monaghan.
Even against Galway we were leading in extra time and let it slip.

On a separate point, when Geezer took over were we in division 2 or 3?
 

niall1980

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Yeah, there's only one winner in a shoot-out when it's 'keeper vs midfielder. I wonder are we developing goalkeepers at underage level? Not a dig at Ethan by-the-way, he's had a very good year in general.
Agreed. Mine wasn’t a dog at Ethan either. He was one of the high points in a pretty miserable season overall
 

Berfaboy77

Active Member
Tired & gutted this morning. To cap the day some genius decided to set up road works on M1, very late home especially for families with young kids.

On the match, indeed both matches, just dull defensive dung to watch. All 4 aides had 15 players inside the 45, it’s terrible to watch.

We didn’t show up yesterday, butchered 2-3 real goal chances, also decision making poor. Forker was fantastic & Rian carried us yesterday.

Thanks to the team & management, commitment & effort unquestionable.

Bigger concern is that our marque players are the wrong side of 30 and we don’t exactly have a conveyor belt of talents coming through. There might be one last harrah in this team but I fear some lean times are ahead. Was worth going yesterday just to witness Clifford’s piece of brilliance

Good luck to Monaghan.

Lastly, there’s a huge problem with excessive drinking and behaviour by young ones at the games. The hill incident could have gotten out of hand. Clubs/CB/GAA etc need to start looking at this. Drinking fans goading people at the back of cusack yesterday was very poor sight for everyone who cherish being Gaels.
 

Peter grimes

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As a season review I would be ignoring Antrim, Cavan and Down. Facile wins. Bundle up with McKenna Cup.

look to division one and the championship matches post the Down match. A statistical analysis of outcomes in games where we pushed up AND also kicked the ball out from the back and compared that to the equivalent data in games where we sat back and played laterally would be fascinating.

I don’t have that data to hand but I suspect that if it was all available it would be telling. I deliberately say all because I’m sure there is a stat here and there that could give a misleading picture.

Anyone looking in at Armagh could quickly see that we have the ability to play a brand of football that modern footballers don’t come across very often and hate playing against. The rationale for us to consciously not play that way entirely escapes me.

And it’s the conscious bit that is infuriating. It’s not a case of being forced on the field of play to play that way. You only have to look at the black card periods against Derry and Monaghan and the dropping of Turbitt yesterday so see that the tactics we see on the pitch are pre match calls.

I would love to see our justification for playing the way the opponent wants us to.
 

gael_force_orchard

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Tired & gutted this morning. To cap the day some genius decided to set up road works on M1, very late home especially for families with young kids.

On the match, indeed both matches, just dull defensive dung to watch. All 4 aides had 15 players inside the 45, it’s terrible to watch.

We didn’t show up yesterday, butchered 2-3 real goal chances, also decision making poor. Forker was fantastic & Rian carried us yesterday.

Thanks to the team & management, commitment & effort unquestionable.

Bigger concern is that our marque players are the wrong side of 30 and we don’t exactly have a conveyor belt of talents coming through. There might be one last harrah in this team but I fear some lean times are ahead. Was worth going yesterday just to witness Clifford’s piece of brilliance

Good luck to Monaghan.

Lastly, there’s a huge problem with excessive drinking and behaviour by young ones at the games. The hill incident could have gotten out of hand. Clubs/CB/GAA etc need to start looking at this. Drinking fans goading people at the back of cusack yesterday was very poor sight for everyone who cherish being Gaels.
Seen the video online from the hill. Doesn't look good for anyone of any age. More than a gaa thing to be honest though, it's just modern society.
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
Tired & gutted this morning. To cap the day some genius decided to set up road works on M1, very late home especially for families with young kids.

On the match, indeed both matches, just dull defensive dung to watch. All 4 aides had 15 players inside the 45, it’s terrible to watch.

We didn’t show up yesterday, butchered 2-3 real goal chances, also decision making poor. Forker was fantastic & Rian carried us yesterday.

Thanks to the team & management, commitment & effort unquestionable.

Bigger concern is that our marque players are the wrong side of 30 and we don’t exactly have a conveyor belt of talents coming through. There might be one last harrah in this team but I fear some lean times are ahead. Was worth going yesterday just to witness Clifford’s piece of brilliance

Good luck to Monaghan.

Lastly, there’s a huge problem with excessive drinking and behaviour by young ones at the games. The hill incident could have gotten out of hand. Clubs/CB/GAA etc need to start looking at this. Drinking fans goading people at the back of cusack yesterday was very poor sight for everyone who cherish being Gaels.
Kerry may have had 15 players in their own half at times yesterday but they were far from dull to watch. Their intensity and discipline in the tackle and their press on Tyrone attackers was great to watch. If only we could have replicated that
 

Gaamaniac

Active Member
We were gifted a black card, which should not have been we were possibly gifffed them not getting that hawk eye score and we start extra time by not going for them. This is not progressive football and I don’t know how any one can back that. We were playing Monaghan not Kerry. We had an extra man for a stage of extra time and did not go for it. What an opportunity missed. Monaghan have now stayed up in division 1 and we are back to 2. But sure everyone here are happy with how were playing because getting beat by Monaghan on penalties is progress
 

stevie_06

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We were gifted a black card, which should not have been we were possibly gifffed them not getting that hawk eye score and we start extra time by not going for them. This is not progressive football and I don’t know how any one can back that. We were playing Monaghan not Kerry. We had an extra man for a stage of extra time and did not go for it. What an opportunity missed. Monaghan have now stayed up in division 1 and we are back to 2. But sure everyone here are happy with how were playing because getting beat by Monaghan on penalties is progress
I haven't seen any comments saying they are happy with how we played yesterday or that yesterday's result represented progress in any way
 

SaintSeamy

Active Member
I know a lot of people on here don't like to talk about a change of management - but we need a change some where.

The consistent failure of this group to get a win on the big days in the last 4 years will have taken a massive toll on their confidence.

We need somebody to come in and tell them that they can play fast expansive football instead of reverting to this paranoid shit we have seen the last 12 months.

We have the players to do it.
 

Gaamaniac

Active Member
I haven't seen any comments saying they are happy with how we played yesterday or that yesterday's result represented progress in any way
Bit of sarcasm due to us playing like this all year there was quite a few who never called it out and always backed our management. I wonder are they still happy with him but just won’t admit it. We started our journey 9 years ago with mcgeeney in division 2/3 and are still in division 2 without reaching an all Ireland semi final or winning an ulster trophy. If people see that as progress then we obviously just aren’t an ambitious county.

Just look at Monaghan for instance. New management still staying in division 1 and now into a semi final. And there pick isn’t much better than ours.
 

Kick er in

New Member
Disagree with us being unlucky, Galway last year we score a goal and straight away go to sleep and they score an instant reply goal, then when a draw a forward fists a point while 1 on 1 in extra time that's not bad luck that's bad decisions. Same this year Grugan fists over while 1 on 1 and when Rian scores that great point at end of extra time we let them go straight up get a free then let them play short, all we had to do was stand them up but Grugan made one of the laziest tackles iv ever seen. Again not bad luck but bad decisions. Many teams win both games if in Armagh position in these moments
I wonder how clean your tackling would have been if you had just played 100mins of a senior county game. I don't think we will ever know the answer to that one strangely.
 

thecritic

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I know a lot of people on here don't like to talk about a change of management - but we need a change some where.

The consistent failure of this group to get a win on the big days in the last 4 years will have taken a massive toll on their confidence.

We need somebody to come in and tell them that they can play fast expansive football instead of reverting to this paranoid shit we have seen the last 12 months.

We have the players to do it.
Agree with most but the jury still out on your last line.
Maybe, under new leadership, we might be able to answer that question definitively if the squad stays together. At present we don't really know our true qualities due to our style of play.
 

Patrick-Armagh

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The overriding emotion this morning is utter dejection and disappointment. To put in a performance like that against an inferior side is really reflective of our season overall. Promised much, a few flashes here and there, but overall we never got going and were a muddled mess, where conservative tactics were chosen over playing to our teams strengths. Yesterday's game panned out EXACTLY like Monaghan wanted. A slow, turgid game, where we were brought down to their level. Somehow that was either the plan by the management to match it or they didn't have the ability to change it, when they saw what was happening. The fact that Joe McElroy (not a criticism of him), who has barely seen any game time this season, was chosen ahead of Turbitt, showed the game plan from the start.

I think most of us on here have given McGeeney a fair hearing, have stood up for him, wanted him to succeed, praised him when he's done well and criticised when he hasn't. To be clear, I think he's done a pretty good job all things considered. He's bought us up through divisions, built a very competitive team of players who give absolutely everything and established us as a top eight side. But yesterday was reflective of so many other failures we've witnessed with him in charge. We had a week off to rest and prepare, got the draw most would have wanted, were back in Croke Park where the wide open spaces would suit our younger fresher team, with quality forwards, with the chance of making an All Ireland semi-final there for the taking and that was the best tactical setup they could come up with? That's very damning. I think we all understand why we defend in numbers because we don't have the best one-on-one defenders (compare the number that Jason Foley and Tom O'Sullivan did on McCurry and Canavan in the first game), but regularly dropping the entire team back into our own 45, leaving no one up the field, just summed the whole thing up for me. That's what Monaghan wanted and we gave it to them. We were more concerned about the damage that McCarthy and McConnell would do, than imposing our own qualities on the game. I've said it before on here, but ultimately we just don't have the stuff - whatever that is - that gets us over the line in the big games. It's happened too many times now for it not to be the case. How many times have we seen us throw away leads in the dying embers of a game - it's happened multiple times this season alone, never mind all the seasons gone by.

At the end of normal time, when we were a man up, the team f*cked around with the ball in the centre of the field, with absolutely no attacking intent, almost waiting to get one shot off at the final whistle, only not to get one off at all, was criminal. No doubt there's plenty that happened in the game that McGeeney has no control over, with players over playing the ball, not taking easy scores, taking potshots from ridiculous angles and getting stupid indisciplined yellow cards. To lose in exactly the same way (leading at the end of extra time before giving up a soft score), on penalties, at the exact same stage, is going to be very tough to recover from. Like with the two Brian's over twenty years ago, it might be that McGeeney has put the foundations in place for a successful team, but it might now that a fresh voice and different way of doing things is the thing that gets us over the line in these types of games.

The rest of the year is going to be very long, filled with a sense of another missed opportunity that we are all too familiar with now. The team will go again next year and we'll all be 100% behind them. In what form that takes, only time will tell.
 

Wide ball

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I wonder how clean your tackling would have been if you had just played 100mins of a senior county game. I don't think we will ever know the answer to that one strangely.
I'm not on the county panel, this is a forum where we discuss the football, IMO Grugan is really important for us in organising our forwards and the play goes through him alot but again IMO he is not good at tackling and his tracking back looks like he isn't trying sometimes, he is a top player and I'd personally prefer him in the full forward line and drift out to playmake, I dunno if it's tactics but I noticed alot of the time Grugan and Campbell where very deep collecting the ball, even behind our full back line, and on their kick outs crealy was just ahead of full back line. What I will say is I don't like their style of play but fair play to Monaghan they always get the max out of their pick and they are a county that has a population that wouldn't even fill croke park
 
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