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Pat Cully

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Ouch It’s Francie said:
I’m not going to comment on the game nor our season as each to their own. However penalties are not part of our game, what is part of our game is poor refereeing decisions, usually when they need to level up something or not be held to something. It’s human nature - I’m not having a go. Best mate is a Tyrone ref that’s responsible for fixtures, so fairs fair.

We need to have a video ref to call big decisions. Jesus Monaghan were down a man and that was no black card. Mayo’s disallowed goal would have been overturned. Big games need correct decisions on big points. (And for those that come in about not having this in league games, club games etc., well we don’t have Hawk Eye either…)

Anyways- for those that have an interest in coaching - what’s the most common thing we all do at the end of training? Let’s say There’s a in house game going on, time hits 7 or 8 or 9 o’clock and we all shout “next score’s the winner”. We never shout, “penalties” - it’s a soccer thing. We do this at under 10 games, it’s bred in us. It’s what we know!! Not penalties.

Therefore, every club in Armagh, and I’ll be pushing in Divingmidgetland, that if we the GAA, persist in getting a result, we adopt a next score is the winner. I would be open to a two point margin, as teams who got the fist point would be up to pushing on.

Penalties took 26 minutes - I’d prefer the former.
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I like that idea but one point would be enough
Think we played for nearly 100 minutes on Saturday and there was never 2 points between the team at any stage
 
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stevie_06

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Uptheorchard said:
Absolute crap

Last year we played great attacking type football in the league and done really well. We then went to the defensive crap in Ballybofey and got beaten well.
We went back to the attacking intent after that and had a great season and ended up sadly losing to Galway on penalties. That Galway side were a quality side and ended up losing by a point in the the all Ireland final after beating Derry comprehensively in the semi final.

This year we have been absolutely pathetic all year apart from beating a couple of div 3 teams.

We finally threw off the shackles and played a much better brand of football against Galway in the last game of the group stages where we pressed up, we engaged much further up the field and we attacked much quicker kicking the ball into our forwards as much as we could and got a result. We got the balance spot on.

We then drew a very average Monaghan team and instead of going after them we done exactly what they wanted. We went ultra defensive and made it a cagey game and a game that suited them to the ground.
The dropping of Turbit for Mcilroy before the throw in was criminal. Even when they went a man down in extra time we still sat off! It can only be regarded as one of the most inept pieces of management I have ever seen.

Monaghan will be hammered in the semi final. There is absolutely no comparison between Monaghan and Galway.
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Playing attacking football last year got us to an AI QF last year which is the exact same stage we got to this year.

My argument is that some of the faults from last year are glossed over because we played attacking football and seen in a more positive light.

You mentioned losing to Galway last year. But there is no criticism about how we blew up in the 2nd half. Or how we are unable to hold on in extra time. Similar to what happened this year.

But because we played a more negative style it has got a lot more attention.

Not going to get into who we played this year against last year because don't like comparing teams.

But certainly an argument we didn't play that good of opposition either. Certainly Tyrone and Donegal were both pretty shocking last year.

Note we did beat Galway this year who then went on to lose to Mayo in the next round.

I agree Galway are a better team than Monaghan. But at the end of the day they are in a semi final and Galway are not.

The whole narrative that what cost this year is being ultra defensive is somewhat exaggerated. It is not just that black and white
 
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Revenge

Member
Ouch It’s Francie said:
I’m not going to comment on the game nor our season as each to their own. However penalties are not part of our game, what is part of our game is poor refereeing decisions, usually when they need to level up something or not be held to something. It’s human nature - I’m not having a go. Best mate is a Tyrone ref that’s responsible for fixtures, so fairs fair.

We need to have a video ref to call big decisions. Jesus Monaghan were down a man and that was no black card. Mayo’s disallowed goal would have been overturned. Big games need correct decisions on big points. (And for those that come in about not having this in league games, club games etc., well we don’t have Hawk Eye either…)

Anyways- for those that have an interest in coaching - what’s the most common thing we all do at the end of training? Let’s say There’s a in house game going on, time hits 7 or 8 or 9 o’clock and we all shout “next score’s the winner”. We never shout, “penalties” - it’s a soccer thing. We do this at under 10 games, it’s bred in us. It’s what we know!! Not penalties.

Therefore, every club in Armagh, and I’ll be pushing in Divingmidgetland, that if we the GAA, persist in getting a result, we adopt a next score is the winner. I would be open to a two point margin, as teams who got the fist point would be up to pushing on.

Penalties took 26 minutes - I’d prefer the former.
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What about the team that scored more from play in normal time goes through. Would maybe curb the diving for frees?
 
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Kem

Active Member
Ouch It’s Francie said:
I’m not going to comment on the game nor our season as each to their own. However penalties are not part of our game, what is part of our game is poor refereeing decisions, usually when they need to level up something or not be held to something. It’s human nature - I’m not having a go. Best mate is a Tyrone ref that’s responsible for fixtures, so fairs fair.

We need to have a video ref to call big decisions. Jesus Monaghan were down a man and that was no black card. Mayo’s disallowed goal would have been overturned. Big games need correct decisions on big points. (And for those that come in about not having this in league games, club games etc., well we don’t have Hawk Eye either…)

Anyways- for those that have an interest in coaching - what’s the most common thing we all do at the end of training? Let’s say There’s a in house game going on, time hits 7 or 8 or 9 o’clock and we all shout “next score’s the winner”. We never shout, “penalties” - it’s a soccer thing. We do this at under 10 games, it’s bred in us. It’s what we know!! Not penalties.

Therefore, every club in Armagh, and I’ll be pushing in Divingmidgetland, that if we the GAA, persist in getting a result, we adopt a next score is the winner. I would be open to a two point margin, as teams who got the fist point would be up to pushing on.

Penalties took 26 minutes - I’d prefer the former.
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I think it would have to one point as anything more would drag it on too long. The advantage of the golden score is that the game is decided by actual play. On top of that it doesn't put unfair pressure on individual players as the penalty or free kick system would.
 
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Ná habair é

Member
Would prefer frees from the 45 or even next score wins but only at end of a replay. Would love to be going this weekend to Armagh v Monaghan QF Replay. Replays wouldn't necessarily have to be in Croke Park, plenty of neutral venues available.
 
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thehighballinlow

Active Member
Ná habair é said:
Would prefer frees from the 45 or even next score wins but only at end of a replay. Would love to be going this weekend to Armagh v Monaghan QF Replay. Replays wouldn't necessarily have to be in Croke Park, plenty of neutral venues available.
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Next sore win is bascially what team are playing, keep the ball for 2-3 mins or longer, zero risks and then work a free or overload, defending team set up.

Imagine if it was next score wins on saturday, enough on here talking about negitive football. We would have had 15 inside our 45 for that last attack.... oooooo wait we did and still conceded.
 
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Armaghball

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stevie_06 said:
Playing attacking football last year got us to an AI QF last year which is the exact same stage we got to this year.

My argument is that some of the faults from last year are glossed over because we played attacking football and seen in a more positive light.

You mentioned losing to Galway last year. But there is no criticism about how we blew up in the 2nd half. Or how we are unable to hold on in extra time. Similar to what happened this year.

But because we played a more negative style it has got a lot more attention.

Not going to get into who we played this year against last year because don't like comparing teams.

But certainly an argument we didn't play that good of opposition either. Certainly Tyrone and Donegal were both pretty shocking last year.

Note we did beat Galway this year who then went on to lose to Mayo in the next round.

I agree Galway are a better team than Monaghan. But at the end of the day they are in a semi final and Galway are not.

The whole narrative that what cost this year is being ultra defensive is somewhat exaggerated. It is not just that black and white
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Obviously winning is number 1, but a huge reason we all go to games is to watch good football- bits of skill like Cliffords pass the other day, Rians score to put us one up and a general attacking style of exciting football.

The result is the same but give me a choice between watching the Galway game again and the Monaghan game again and it’s Galway all day. Couldn’t pay me to rewatch thag Monaghan game
 
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stevie_06

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Armaghball said:
Obviously winning is number 1, but a huge reason we all go to games is to watch good football- bits of skill like Cliffords pass the other day, Rians score to put us one up and a general attacking style of exciting football.

The result is the same but give me a choice between watching the Galway game again and the Monaghan game again and it’s Galway all day. Couldn’t pay me to rewatch thag Monaghan game
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But if given the choice of watching the Galway game or the Monaghan game but winning. Which would you pick.

Would as a fan base sacrifice 'good' football for success??
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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thehighballinlow said:
Did you ever hit a 45?

How many players after 90 mins of football plus injury time (say 95 minutes) would be fit to kick a ball 45 yards never mind with accuracy.

Pie in the sky comment
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Would be more in the spirit of Gaelic football than penalties. Or even have a rotation of having to score from different distances if everyone hits their points at the easier range, increase the difficulty for the next round of frees.

I dont like the idea of going out on next score wins, that is another soccer thing. Would even prefer first to score 5 points in ET wins.
 
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Wee man

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maybe a hybrid of all of the above ??
a further period of extra time.
first to 2 points
switch sides after the first point
OIF makes a good point, there is no way we would settle a juvenile game with penalties so why bring it into our senior game

Only problem, to every other county in Ireland, Armagh proposing to scrap penalty shootouts will look like sour grapes....
 
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stevie_06

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Uptheorchard said:
But if given the choice of watching the Galway game or the Monaghan game but winning. Which would you pick.

Winning? We haven’t won one game of any note when we play the defensive shit! Not one!
We got beat by Monaghan because of it. We would have beaten them pulling up if had of went after them. That’s the point!

Wel never get a better chance of making a semi final for a long long time!
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To say we were beat by Monaghan just because we played defensive I don't feel is accurate.

But ignore the past 2 years. Generally would we accept being defensive if it meant we actually did in an Ulster and All Ireland.

Remember watching the Donegal and Dublin match years ago and thinking God how could Donegal supporters. put up with that. But it won them an all Ireland.

Would we be happy if it was our own county
 
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Armaghball

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stevie_06 said:
To say we were beat by Monaghan just because we played defensive I don't feel is accurate.

But ignore the past 2 years. Generally would we accept being defensive if it meant we actually did in an Ulster and All Ireland.

Remember watching the Donegal and Dublin match years ago and thinking God how could Donegal supporters. put up with that. But it won them an all Ireland.

Would we be happy if it was our own county
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If you could guarantee me an all ireland where we won it 3-2 I’d take it lol
 
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niall1980

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Penalties have been in our game since at least the 1953 final ffs. If we were able to hold onto a lead or win the shootouts we’ve been involved in this conversation wouldn't be happening
 
ShiftYa

ShiftYa

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Armagh_paul said:
Instead of penalties why not frees from the 45?
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There’s plenty of teams out there that can’t get anyone to score a 45 never mind having a 45 shootout.

It’s not ideal but penalties is the most practical way to settle a drawn game on the day.
 
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