Allianz Football League 2022 Division 1

[Armamike]

At the end of the game on Sunday I said to the man standing beside me that the fantastic football Armagh played in the first half would be totally overshadowed by the red card incidents and this has been totally proved to be the case

In many ways I actually think this is a good thing. Without the melee I feel we would now be being talked up to an unrealistic level with the hype becoming increasingly difficult to dampen.
Instead, David Gough, headlocks, who started what and appeals has become the national focus. Even the soft frees given against us that have been highlighted above are a positive.
At the game I felt the second half was very poor but on re watch Tyrone actually weren’t really that good.
They never looked like getting a goal and heavily relied on Gough blowing against us very quickly for Over carrying and then some soft frees at the end.
These also prevented a double digit victory. Again this isn’t a bad thing at all. It leaves loads to focus on and allows national pundits to focus on this ‘Armagh have a bigger body of work done’ narrative.
On this in the two league games our 1st half point difference is plus 19 and the second minus 8. If our fitness was so much better would these figures not be reversed ?
A lot of the praise being given is almost of a patronising nature, with these people feeling Armagh will soon drift back to their rightful position.
It’s up to the squad to prove this is certainly not the case.

Well put. Dessie Farrell started the conditioning angle to half excuse Dublin's dire performance against us. It's been latched upon by pundits since then - somebody says something in the media and it soon becomes fact. Maybe Dessie, Fergal Logan and others are privy to Armagh's conditioning programme, I don't know. I would have thought county players these days keep themselves in good shape mostly all year round.

 

[Big Jim]

I don't know if this has been pointed out but the free wasn't given to McShane for a foul on the ball, it was given for a foul on McCabe. McCabe was going for the ball and McShane hauled him down by the neck. As shown in this screen capture - McShane - Neck Tackle on McCabe and a couple of picture frames later McShane - Neck Tackle on McCabe 2 you see McCabe going down with McShane.

The female in the second pic the white hat and grey gloves is in a classic pose - she knew what was coming!

 

[Big Jim]

@Lemallon 's point about the way we are being discussed because of the incident at the end, should be viewed as a positive in a perverse way. The lads are being left alone to work on the stupid mistakes they made and smile knowing the crap is just that. Every cloud..........

 

[ragingbull]

Unsurprisingly the last 2 nights BBC 06 have shown the red card incident, still no mention of the score.

The BBC must be full of themuns

 

[Armagh_paul]

The Peter Harte incident was around the 54.18 mark. It is clear that he leans into the arm of Soupy and is a regular one from him. I actually quickly went through all the cheaters scores in the second half just now and they are nearly all very dubious. The time when Burns is deemed to have run across the kicker is ridiculous as the kick was going backwards and short and Burns did not pass the kicker until the ball had gone. In light of all these decisions and the hateful ones antics our boys should be highly commended for holding their heads.
The other incidents happened at the below times (approx);
37.17
48.29
50.57
56.01
61.33
65.07

Haven't forgotten @Diarmi got a bit carried away with it yesterday so have to catch up on some work

 

[Armagh_paul]

48:28 - Jemar Hall apparently fouls Tyrone player - although looks like Grugan but very light contact.

50:57 - Forker apparently fouls Tyrone Player and in Real Time

56:01 - Rowland Not Releasing The Ball? - Another soft free

 

[Armagh_paul]

@Diarmi

61:03 - A tackle that was not penalised yet Armagh make the same tackle and are penalised.

This one was the worst of them. Tyrone player throws himself in front of the Armagh player. Less than 5 seconds later and Armagh player goes for the ball legally and a foul is called by Gough.

65:07 - O'Neill penalised for a clean tackle

 

[Pat Cully]

Some very handy frees jemar halls especially

 

[Armaghball]

Gough was an absolute disgrace, not one of them should have been frees, thank god we won so this doesn’t look like sour grapes. @Armagh_paul great work on those clips. There was another one where Ciaran Mackin was blown for over carrying but I was certain it was nowhere near too long. Think it was in second half over by stand side but no idea what time.

 

[Diarmi]

@Diarmi

61:03 - A tackle that was not penalised yet Armagh make the same tackle and are penalised.

This one was the worst of them. Tyrone player throws himself in front of the Armagh player. Less than 5 seconds later and Armagh player goes for the ball legally and a foul is called by Gough.

65:07 - O'Neill penalised for a clean tackle

Glad I'm not going mad (although that may be a matter for debate!!) and that @Armagh_paul's slo-mos show what I thought. Again, we need to commend our boys for not reacting to these non-frees being given.
We can now read a number of things into this;
1. Tyrone are so conditioned to diving that they actually do it when they are in on goal. There are a number of occasions where had they stood on their feet they may have had a goal but instead their cheating instincts got in the way.
2. Had those frees not been given we would have hammered them out the gate. This does us no harm in the long run.
3. The standard of refereeing is ridiculous.
4. As previously stated, our lads are obviously seriously disciplined to not react. Rian did show some annoyance but put his head down and ran on.
5. This discipline is an excellent sign of cohesion in the camp.
6. C'mon ta f**k Armagh, I hope we bate them cheating f**kbags 100 times this year!!!!! Ahem, sorry, got a bit carried away at the end there

 

[ragingbull]

The only one of them was a foul was the Grugan one but he give it for the Hall tackle,what about the one when themuns hand passed the ball it went out for a goal kick & the ref give a free to themuns

 

[pablo]

It astounds me how biased Tyrone fans are on other GAA forums. Purposefully fabricating stories about Nugent trying to choke the life out of Sludden and Burns being to blame for the melee. They will fabricate any story to try and shift the blame on the opposition...The only reason I did those videos was to put them up on here and prove whose fault it was. Burns most certainly was not the instigator of any of that melee even though they were at him constantly. I think McCabe was red carded for grabbing a Tyrone player by the collar, I think it will be rescinded.

Armagh_paul, excellent work on videos.

This is a time that we should be really enjoying the afterglow of the past two weeks. Both victories do feel significant. There is now an assurance and a fearlessness in this team and the whole county is starting to sense this; the buzz is coming back.
As supporters, we are still pragmatic enough to know it is only Feb and we could still endure some disappointing turn of events-but this does feel like an arrival and there is an exciting journey ahead. We are seeing the emergence of a truly generational player (Rian) and the appearance of new exciting new talent (Mackin, Kelly). The hot topic for us now should be- how do we make full use of the depth of our panel given the quality of returning players?

I also had a look at other forums (I do not contribute) and it a reminder of the toxic mind set of some of the Tyronie supporters and the futility in trying to engage in any level of debate with them. They are the GAA equivalent of QAnon conspiracy theorists and Trump MAGA heads. Just do not waste your time; no matter how rationale or considered your point, you will get back nothing from them but whataboutery and victimhood.
They will try to spread the same narrative as they did back in the 2000’s; Armagh suck them into a ruckus with the intention of disrupting their 'comeback' (no such thing) and getting their players the line. Just think how stupid that idea is-the collective telepathic hive mind needed for Armagh players to achieve that outcome would be supernatural; our players having the ability to instantly, choreograph a ‘squabble’, synchronized with such timing and precision to ensure it will deflate the Tyrone game plan and send their brave boys to the line. Feck, Armagh are true masters of chaos theory. Implied wordings from Canavan and no doubt, other Tyronies in the week(s) ahead will probably try to seed an idea that Armagh mugged Tyrone. In the 2000's there used to be elements in the media that would buy into that fantasy. But I think (hope) most are wise to the Tyronie agenda/mind set now. Tyronies are spooked that we are coming back. But do not get distracting from enjoying this victory in trying to make any point to these guys.

Great to see the AG packed and roaring again. I genuinely believe now that more days like this lie ahead, lets enjoy the ride

 

[Throwball]

Armagh_paul, excellent work on videos.

This is a time that we should be really enjoying the afterglow of the past two weeks. Both victories do feel significant. There is now an assurance and a fearlessness in this team and the whole county is starting to sense this; the buzz is coming back.
As supporters, we are still pragmatic enough to know it is only Feb and we could still endure some disappointing turn of events-but this does feel like an arrival and there is an exciting journey ahead. We are seeing the emergence of a truly generational player (Rian) and the appearance of new exciting new talent (Mackin, Kelly). The hot topic for us now should be- how do we make full use of the depth of our panel given the quality of returning players?

I also had a look at other forums (I do not contribute) and it a reminder of the toxic mind set of some of the Tyronie supporters and the futility in trying to engage in any level of debate with them. They are the GAA equivalent of QAnon conspiracy theorists and Trump MAGA heads. Just do not waste your time; no matter how rationale or considered your point, you will get back nothing from them but whataboutery and victimhood.
They will try to spread the same narrative as they did back in the 2000’s; Armagh suck them into a ruckus with the intention of disrupting their 'comeback' (no such thing) and getting their players the line. Just think how stupid that idea is-the collective telepathic hive mind needed for Armagh players to achieve that outcome would be supernatural; our players having the ability to instantly, choreograph a ‘squabble’, synchronized with such timing and precision to ensure it will deflate the Tyrone game plan and send their brave boys to the line. Feck, Armagh are true masters of chaos theory. Implied wordings from Canavan and no doubt, other Tyronies in the week(s) ahead will probably try to seed an idea that Armagh mugged Tyrone. In the 2000's there used to be elements in the media that would buy into that fantasy. But I think (hope) most are wise to the Tyronie agenda/mind set now. Tyronies are spooked that we are coming back. But do not get distracting from enjoying this victory in trying to make any point to these guys.

Great to see the AG packed and roaring again. I genuinely believe now that more days like this lie ahead, lets enjoy the ride

Qanon conspiracy theories!.

Next thing they will be storming Croke Park. (Capitol Building)

 

[Armagh_paul]

Armagh_paul, excellent work on videos.

This is a time that we should be really enjoying the afterglow of the past two weeks. Both victories do feel significant. There is now an assurance and a fearlessness in this team and the whole county is starting to sense this; the buzz is coming back.
As supporters, we are still pragmatic enough to know it is only Feb and we could still endure some disappointing turn of events-but this does feel like an arrival and there is an exciting journey ahead. We are seeing the emergence of a truly generational player (Rian) and the appearance of new exciting new talent (Mackin, Kelly). The hot topic for us now should be- how do we make full use of the depth of our panel given the quality of returning players?

I also had a look at other forums (I do not contribute) and it a reminder of the toxic mind set of some of the Tyronie supporters and the futility in trying to engage in any level of debate with them. They are the GAA equivalent of QAnon conspiracy theorists and Trump MAGA heads. Just do not waste your time; no matter how rationale or considered your point, you will get back nothing from them but whataboutery and victimhood.
They will try to spread the same narrative as they did back in the 2000’s; Armagh suck them into a ruckus with the intention of disrupting their 'comeback' (no such thing) and getting their players the line. Just think how stupid that idea is-the collective telepathic hive mind needed for Armagh players to achieve that outcome would be supernatural; our players having the ability to instantly, choreograph a ‘squabble’, synchronized with such timing and precision to ensure it will deflate the Tyrone game plan and send their brave boys to the line. Feck, Armagh are true masters of chaos theory. Implied wordings from Canavan and no doubt, other Tyronies in the week(s) ahead will probably try to seed an idea that Armagh mugged Tyrone. In the 2000's there used to be elements in the media that would buy into that fantasy. But I think (hope) most are wise to the Tyronie agenda/mind set now. Tyronies are spooked that we are coming back. But do not get distracting from enjoying this victory in trying to make any point to these guys.

Great to see the AG packed and roaring again. I genuinely believe now that more days like this lie ahead, lets enjoy the ride

The only time I will engage with them it to tell them they are wrong and back it up with evidence. The accusations were already flying in from Tyrone fans telling everyone Armagh were to blame and this feeds into an anti-Armagh narrative not just on forums but in real life "Armagh's fault" "Typical Armagh" etc. We know the Armagh management and players are likely to be on here or other forums, we criticise them because we follow them we don't hate them we just one the team to get better. However when other teams start doing it well they can f*ck right off especially when they are blatantly wrong. Went on a little tangent there, but my point is, engage with others on forums when you know what is going on, if I can help with video stuff then ill try and get it for you. If we let Tyrone ones get away with saying what they like about us on forums it means the players have to work harder because as shown on Sunday with those dubious frees being handed out we are already at a disadvantage and after that game with Monaghan those 2-3 frees could make all the difference at the final whistle.

FFS they are playing the victims now! I would not be one bit surprised if a certain forum consists of the Tyrone panel members posting their propaganda

"The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate the truth"

 

[pablo]

Qanon conspiracy theories!.

Next thing they will be storming Croke Park. (Capitol Building)

And then deny they did anything wrong. It was Armagh who made them do it

 

[pablo]

The only time I will engage with them it to tell them they are wrong and back it up with evidence. The accusations were already flying in from Tyrone fans telling everyone Armagh were to blame and this feeds into an anti-Armagh narrative not just on forums but online "Armagh's fault" "Typical Armagh" etc. We know the Armagh management and players are likely to be on here or other forums, we criticise them because we follow them we don't hate them we just one the team to get better. However when other teams start doing it well they can f*ck right off especially when they are blatantly wrong. Went on a little tangent there, but my point is, engage with others on forums when you know what is going on, if I can help with video stuff then ill try and get it for you. If we let Tyrone ones get away with saying what they like about us on forums it means the players have to work harder because as shown on Sunday with those dubious frees we are already at a disadvantage and after that game with Monaghan those 2-3 frees could make all the difference at the final whistle.

Totally see your point. And I genuinely think the Tyronie propaganda and agenda setting you refer to above was a factor in 2003. The constant drip, drip, drip of accusations back then eventually served to paint an image of us that elements in the media were willing to perpetuate and (I believe) influenced refereeing decisions in the final that year. I think it was Edna McNulty (I might be wrong) said that such was the narrative surrounding Armagh in the build up that in the game itself, he felt the team held back somewhat in their physical intensity. So I understand where you are coming from and think your videos are tremendously helpful-they are reassuring to us as supporters and provide evidence to neutrals, countering any Red Hand guff. My point is, as rational your point or well presented your evidence may be, Tyronies are a lost cause in any debate. There is no give or element of compromise with them, just more deflection and more whataboutery at every point. So forget about them but I know they are not your intended recipients for this information. I hope my post was not taken as any sort of criticism, but I do think its a pity that when we should be fully enjoying this victory that we have to spend anytime having to counter Tyronie lies. That's a reflection on them and not a criticism of what you are doing.

 

[Ouch It’s Francie]

I thought I’d share some thoughts from up here in Divingmidgetland. I haven’t posted in years. Lurked about a bit in a state of deep depression and self loathing. The only upside was wrecking the red and white Smurfs’ heads over the tyranny of Papa Mickey Smurf. However when they got their hands on the treasure last year their smurfy smugness returned. That’s was up until Sunday…. When a normally civil divil painter and decorator Smurf starts rattling his pockets and says you can’t make that sound with one medal I know we’ve really rattled them. Having tramped around Ireland watching and believing in the rebuild process I certainly hope this is the start of something that we can be proud off once again.

Anyway more news from Smurf village in Divingmidgetland some other time.

 

[pablo]

Great to see you back!
Was it you who described Mark Bradley as a midget that even the midgets consider a midget?
They are genuinely spooked after last Sunday
Keep the Faith

 

[Big Jim]

This might not be popular, but as I've said to a few in DM, let's stop giving them mentions and oxygen. This is OUR time. We are enjoying a resurgence beginning and it's a nice feeling. We may not win anything of substance - my tinted glasses outlook tell me different, but I'm being cautious - but we're winning again. Just remember that only a few very short years ago we couldn't win enough games to get us out of division 3. Even the last gasp penalty given against us in Sligo denied us. Too many other times too. Right now we are sitting on top of division 1 "by right" having beaten the last two most recent AI winners. It's only February and nothing has been actually secured in terms of silverware. It was exactly the same back in division 3 days, but some (strangely quiet right now) constantly called for the removal of the head of the management. I even wavered in my trust in the leadership, but this high is welcome. We're gonna come back to earth with a bump, so I'll enjoy it for now.

So please let's stop giving them the energy they crave. We're better than that. Our lads showed that on the field on Sunday!!

 

[pablo]

This might not be popular, but as I've said to a few in DM, let's stop giving them mentions and oxygen. This is OUR time. We are enjoying a resurgence beginning and it's a nice feeling. We may not win anything of substance - my tinted glasses outlook tell me different, but I'm being cautious - but we're winning again. Just remember that only a few very short years ago we couldn't win enough games to get us out of division 3. Even the last gasp penalty given against us in Sligo denied us. Too many other times too. Right now we are sitting on top of division 1 "by right" having beaten the last two most recent AI winners. It's only February and nothing has been actually secured in terms of silverware. It was exactly the same back in division 3 days, but some (strangely quiet right now) constantly called for the removal of the head of the management. I even wavered in my trust in the leadership, but this high is welcome. We're gonna come back to earth with a bump, so I'll enjoy it for now.

So please let's stop giving them the energy they crave. We're better than that. Our lads showed that on the field on Sunday!!

Nail on head