Allianz Football League 2022 Division 1

[Big Jim]

Other posters and yourself can correct me if im wrong and have orange tinted glasses on. Mc Quillan gave a yellow to hall and a scoring free when Hall was charged into in the first half. Second half Duffy contested a long ball, it broke and the Kildare man lay on the ball on the ground and lifted it off the deck, no free, 15 seconds later Flynn i believe it was slipped headed towards goal and got a free when no armagh man laid a hand on him. That 2 point swing via a free not given to Armagh yet one given to Kildare, left 2 points in the game rather than 4. It kept them in the game. Kildare hit 3 bad wides from 3 dubious and comical frees given in the first half. The ref had a huge impact on that game, he kept Kildare in it. We were actually 8 or 9 points the better team on Sat even though we won by 5 in the end. Hes just useless. I normally think as fans we have had a tendancy to blame a referee for some of our own misdemeanours, though on Saturday I left the ground thinking we really were on the end of a disgraceful performance. He done everything in his power to keep kildare in that game at our expense

Nope. I don't believe those are tainted or tinted, coloured or unreal thoughts at all GFO. In fact it's possibly a true unbiased view. In the heat of battle we sometimes see things differently to how they are in reality. When you get a chance to watch the game back in full (turn off the commentary if you want to remain objective) and you still see those same things. Then watch it again in full or part, with the commentary on and the man on the mic says what you're thinking, then you know there's something fishy.

Just a little side note too. Walking out of the ground, a very well dressed Kildare man and his wife and two kids were chatting with us. First off, they are still "very disappointed in losing Geezer" especially in the manner he was removed. Their opinion is that he dragged Kildare up by 20 years and left facilities they might not have had for another 20 years. They loved him and said begrudgers would be hard to find in the county. They'd have him back in a heartbeat and said of all the teams they play, they could never be hurt by being beaten by his beloved county. They love the way we play football. They describe it as 'Very tough and almost fair!!" Loved that last bit because they said they played the same way under him.

They also said they thought the ref was a cheat and never liked to see him doing any games. They think that a team that get under his skin get the decisions and that Kildare social media in the week running up to the game were saying that he would favour the Ulster team and he was a disgrace. They couldn't understand a lot of the decisions THEY got and thought he was pathetic throughout towards us. That after they were beaten and like you said thought we should have won by about 8 points. They'd have thought a game in Newbridge would have been better for them and say the people of the town love to see the Northerners arrive because they know how to behave and party

 

[William Of Orange]

Nope. I don't believe those are tainted or tinted, coloured or unreal thoughts at all GFO. In fact it's possibly a true unbiased view. In the heat of battle we sometimes see things differently to how they are in reality. When you get a chance to watch the game back in full (turn off the commentary if you want to remain objective) and you still see those same things. Then watch it again in full or part, with the commentary on and the man on the mic says what you're thinking, then you know there's something fishy.

Just a little side note too. Walking out of the ground, a very well dressed Kildare man and his wife and two kids were chatting with us. First off, they are still "very disappointed in losing Geezer" especially in the manner he was removed. Their opinion is that he dragged Kildare up by 20 years and left facilities they might not have had for another 20 years. They loved him and said begrudgers would be hard to find in the county. They'd have him back in a heartbeat and said of all the teams they play, they could never be hurt by being beaten by his beloved county. They love the way we play football. They describe it as 'Very tough and almost fair!!" Loved that last bit because they said they played the same way under him.

They also said they thought the ref was a cheat and never liked to see him doing any games. They think that a team that get under his skin get the decisions and that Kildare social media in the week running up to the game were saying that he would favour the Ulster team and he was a disgrace. They couldn't understand a lot of the decisions THEY got and thought he was pathetic throughout towards us. That after they were beaten and like you said thought we should have won by about 8 points. They'd have thought a game in Newbridge would have been better for them and say the people of the town love to see the Northerners arrive because they know how to behave and party

Always found the Kildare fans sound and knowledgeable, I remember playing them in Cross and geezer was their manager in the League and just chatting to a group of them all through the game , they have huge respect for McGeeney let’s face it they were a few bad calls from a Leinster and an All Ireland final . Them and the Tipp lads are the soundest fans . On the Joe McQuillian thing I hate him , everyone hates him , maybe that what the GAA like about him as he gets such big matches and that’s the way they want games to be refereed. Who knows . But teams need to react the way certain referees act , but with Joe you never know .

 

[Big Jim]

Always found the Kildare fans sound and knowledgeable, I remember playing them in Cross and geezer was their manager in the League and just chatting to a group of them all through the game , they have huge respect for McGeeney let’s face it they were a few bad calls from a Leinster and an All Ireland final . Them and the Tipp lads are the soundest fans . On the Joe McQuillian thing I hate him , everyone hates him , maybe that what the GAA like about him as he gets such big matches and that’s the way they want games to be refereed. Who knows . But teams need to react the way certain referees act , but with Joe you never know .

That last bit right there!!

 

[ragingbull]

Rafferty played well in nets on Saturday evening. We lost 2 of our own kickouts the whole night from what I can remember and 1 of those was as a direct handling error from Rowland. So Rafferty lost one kickout. He was solid under any shots that dropped short and he gave an option. Second half he read an extremely dangerous ball in and come and cleared 2 players and punched the ball a solid distance to one of our own players. Give him another couple of games in the league. Conditions for kick outs on saturday where shocking yet Raffertys were solid. He played well, and the extra solo will be coached out. Hughes now has competition and its a good place to be. We are safe in the league so no harm in experimenting a bit now. We have a free hit against Kerry so lets give Rafferty another chance.

It be interesting to see if the Grange use Ethan in goals when he's playing for them

 

[PatMustard]

Nope. I don't believe those are tainted or tinted, coloured or unreal thoughts at all GFO. In fact it's possibly a true unbiased view. In the heat of battle we sometimes see things differently to how they are in reality. When you get a chance to watch the game back in full (turn off the commentary if you want to remain objective) and you still see those same things. Then watch it again in full or part, with the commentary on and the man on the mic says what you're thinking, then you know there's something fishy.

Just a little side note too. Walking out of the ground, a very well dressed Kildare man and his wife and two kids were chatting with us. First off, they are still "very disappointed in losing Geezer" especially in the manner he was removed. Their opinion is that he dragged Kildare up by 20 years and left facilities they might not have had for another 20 years. They loved him and said begrudgers would be hard to find in the county. They'd have him back in a heartbeat and said of all the teams they play, they could never be hurt by being beaten by his beloved county. They love the way we play football. They describe it as 'Very tough and almost fair!!" Loved that last bit because they said they played the same way under him.

They also said they thought the ref was a cheat and never liked to see him doing any games. They think that a team that get under his skin get the decisions and that Kildare social media in the week running up to the game were saying that he would favour the Ulster team and he was a disgrace. They couldn't understand a lot of the decisions THEY got and thought he was pathetic throughout towards us. That after they were beaten and like you said thought we should have won by about 8 points. They'd have thought a game in Newbridge would have been better for them and say the people of the town love to see the Northerners arrive because they know how to behave and party

Are you sure you’ve been studying that diagram like I asked?

 

[Big Jim]

Yep

 

[Throwball]

Is it not mcnally from monaghan

Where is Barry Cassidy when you need him ?

 

[Throwball]

Other posters and yourself can correct me if im wrong and have orange tinted glasses on. Mc Quillan gave a yellow to hall and a scoring free when Hall was charged into in the first half. Second half Duffy contested a long ball, it broke and the Kildare man lay on the ball on the ground and lifted it off the deck, no free, 15 seconds later Flynn i believe it was slipped headed towards goal and got a free when no armagh man laid a hand on him. That 2 point swing via a free not given to Armagh yet one given to Kildare, left 2 points in the game rather than 4. It kept them in the game. Kildare hit 3 bad wides from 3 dubious and comical frees given in the first half. The ref had a huge impact on that game, he kept Kildare in it. We were actually 8 or 9 points the better team on Sat even though we won by 5 in the end. Hes just useless. I normally think as fans we have had a tendancy to blame a referee for some of our own misdemeanours, though on Saturday I left the ground thinking we really were on the end of a disgraceful performance. He done everything in his power to keep kildare in that game at our expense

If I remember correctly the Hall incident occurred in the same play were Morgan suffered a frontal charge near the Kildare goal and didn't get a free!

 

[Orangeade]

The difference in Blaine and Ethan at the minute is, Blaine has been no.1 for years and is still making the same mistakes from poor kick outs as he was when he first came in, Ethan is only 2 games into his new role, so let's see how he fairs after a substantial run of games

 

[JoeH]

On the Blaine/Ethan keeper thing. Is there any rule against players alternating between outfield and goalkeeper?

Could Blaine, say play wing back, then swop shirts with Ethan, who comes outfield for a while?

Or would that be considered as a substitution?

Answers on a postcard.

The difference is that at the start of a game you have a nominated goalkeeper who also wears a distinctive jersey.
Purpose of this is that the goalkeeper is easily identified as such.
Anyone can act as a goalkeeper but only the nominated goalkeeper can pick the ball up off the ground in the small square with no free given.
If someone else was there they'd have to put the toe under it.

So yes a goalkeeper could play in midfield, for example, and someone else could stand in goals.

 

[PatMustard]

The difference is that at the start of a game you have a nominated goalkeeper who also wears a distinctive jersey.
Purpose of this is that the goalkeeper is easily identified as such.
Anyone can act as a goalkeeper but only the nominated goalkeeper can pick the ball up off the ground in the small square with no free given.
If someone else was there they'd have to put the toe under it.

So yes a goalkeeper could play in midfield, for example, and someone else could stand in goals.

So let’s say Ethan starts in goals, Blaine is a corner back.

If they swap jerseys during the match, then Blaine becomes the designated goalkeeper, does he not? And Blaine can therefore pick the ball up from the square without committing a foul? And Ethan now cannot?

 

[JoeH]

So let’s say Ethan starts in goals, Blaine is a corner back.

If they swap jerseys during the match, then Blaine becomes the designated goalkeeper, does he not? And Blaine can therefore pick the ball up from the square without committing a foul? And Ethan now cannot?

Can't swap jerseys. It would be treated as a substitute.
The exception is if the goalkeeper is sent off and say there's no more subs.
Someone can put on the goalkeeper jersey to gain that pickup off the ground privilege.

 

[PatMustard]

Can't swap jerseys. It would be treated as a substitute.
The exception is if the goalkeeper is sent off and say there's no more subs.
Someone can put on the goalkeeper jersey to gain that pickup off the ground privilege.

Hmm I see. There goes my revolutionary new tactic!

Back to the milk round, so.

 

[Diarmi]

You also can not tackle the goalie in the square.

 

[Armaghball]

So let’s say Ethan starts in goals, Blaine is a corner back.

If they swap jerseys during the match, then Blaine becomes the designated goalkeeper, does he not? And Blaine can therefore pick the ball up from the square without committing a foul? And Ethan now cannot?

How about leave our corner backs (Forker, McKay, McCabe, Burns or whoever) as corner backs, leave a goalkeeper (Hughes) in nets and leave Rafferty in the forward line (if he’s deemed good enough) or on the bench if he’s not?

 

[bcb1]

How about leave our corner backs (Forker, McKay, McCabe, Burns or whoever) as corner backs, leave a goalkeeper (Hughes) in nets and leave Rafferty in the forward line (if he’s deemed good enough) or on the bench if he’s not?

That’s ridiculous….imagine people playing in their positions? How tactically naive is that ….

 

[Diarmi]

Hmm I see. There goes my revolutionary new tactic!

Back to the milk round, so.

I'm not sure it's a great plan aul hand, Blaine may be found wanting outfield. I think Ethan is doing dead on and we have two more games to test the tactic out with no major consequences if it goes wrong. I watched him doing drills before the Mayo game and he seems decent enough at shot stopping. In fairness though, how much of a county keeper's job is to stop goals, particularly with packed defences? I'm sure at least half of all goals are palmed in from the edge of the square with a fair percentage of the rest from very close range, even the best keepers can't save these. So it becomes a percentage game based on all the elements of the keepers role and the fact that Blaine lacks the height and strength of kick of Ethan - Ethan starts. If you watch the film Moneyball it gives you a real insight into all the fine margins and statistics that go into a decision like this. This is the case for the whole county team setup. We huff and puff on here and think we know it all but in truth we are working with about a tenth of the information Geezer and co have. Won't stop us tho!!!

 

[PatMustard]

How about leave our corner backs (Forker, McKay, McCabe, Burns or whoever) as corner backs, leave a goalkeeper (Hughes) in nets and leave Rafferty in the forward line (if he’s deemed good enough) or on the bench if he’s not?

I'm not sure it's a great plan aul hand, Blaine may be found wanting outfield. I think Ethan is doing dead on and we have two more games to test the tactic out with no major consequences if it goes wrong. I watched him doing drills before the Mayo game and he seems decent enough at shot stopping. In fairness though, how much of a county keeper's job is to stop goals, particularly with packed defences? I'm sure at least half of all goals are palmed in from the edge of the square with a fair percentage of the rest from very close range, even the best keepers can't save these. So it becomes a percentage game based on all the elements of the keepers role and the fact that Blaine lacks the height and strength of kick of Ethan - Ethan starts. If you watch the film Moneyball it gives you a real insight into all the fine margins and statistics that go into a decision like this. This is the case for the whole county team setup. We huff and puff on here and think we know it all but in truth we are working with about a tenth of the information Geezer and co have. Won't stop us tho!!!

It was more of a hypothetical situation really. I was just thinking outside the box. A bit like the multiple subs in the International Rules, where players can come on and run themselves into the ground for 10 minutes, then come off and recover on the bench. Was just sort of thinking something like that might be trialled, where the player goes into nets to recover, rather than the bench.

But as @JoeH stated, apparently it’s considered a substitution if players swap jerseys with the goalkeeper.

 

[PatMustard]

PS. I think it’s also got to the stage where opposing goalkeepers and the referee all need different colour jerseys.

It’s getting confusing now distinguishing between which goalkeeper is which, and which is the referee, as most of them tend to be in black.

 

[Armagh_paul]

Wouldn't be surprised to see goalkeepers being rotated around different positions. The roles for players has changed dramatically where forwards are expected to defend and defenders are expected to attack. There is always a need for innovative thinking in the GAA for tactics.