Coronavirus and the GAA

PatMustard

PatMustard

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@Harper1 too early to tell.

But hearing things like 12-14 weeks until it’s peak, that’s mid June. And that might only be half way!?

I’d imagine you could add on another 3 months coming down the other side of that hill, before things are up and running. That’s September.

Doesn’t leave much time for anything.

But, if I’m still here when it’s over, along with all those close to me, then I’ll take that. Plenty of other years for football.
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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Harper1 said:
Given they way that this is developing and the actions being taken to try to flatten the peak of the virus over a longer period, it looks like the two week closure of games is only the beginning. I think Arlene said a bit more than she was supposed to when she let slip that schools when closed could be closed for 16 weeks.

So without getting into the rights or wrongs of the action taken, as I know some of you will think it's not enough and other will say it's all hype, what do you think the GAA plan should be if we have no games until June/July? I'm sure somewhere in Croke Park it's being discussed but what sort of options are there?

Personally I think the leagues need finished off as soon as we get the go ahead it'll only take 2 weeks and means the competition that has started gets completed and is ready to start again next year, but if that's late June or early July what next? Abandon the provincial championships and play a straight knockout All Ireland series? Could we seed a draw based on the leagues? Can we even call an emergency convention to agree a way forward and amend the rules or is such an event currently banned?

For our own clubs, could this years leagues be a write off? If we just have the summer should we play championship only?

Obviously decisions should and will be led by the health professionals but hopefully somewhere contingency plans are being made.
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I think games will end up being played behind closed doors just to wrap up the league and the all Ireland will be scrapped for this year.

It's a shame the GAA couldn't make the most out of a bad situation. With a lot of sports suspended across the world the games could have got a lot more exposure with games played behind closed doors and having players tested beforehand but available to watch on sky/online. It might be the only source of sorts entertainment.
 
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Big Jim

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It's amazing the amount of scaremongering still going on in the media - not belittling the fact that this is a dangerous virus especially to certain groups and it is mainly coming from politicians which makes you wonder is there something more sinister going on.

A few sensational headlines:
possibly up to 50 million people will die because of this infection
The majority of people with underlying conditions WILL die when they catch the virus
You can catch this infection by someone smiling at you (now that had to be the monster raving looney party!)
Children are amongst the most vulnerable
In Ireland and UK this will peak in around 14-16 weeks following international trends
You need 20 loo rolls per day to survive
Food will be limited to one biscuit or uncooked brussel sprout per day - ok I made that one up!

Facts:
So far (up until 16th March) 181,664 (that's one hundred and 81 thousand, six hundred and 64) cases have been reported worldwide with 81,000 in Mainland China alone. 7131 total deaths - that's a sad number
Use that last line and try and work out what percentage 50 million is
The survival rate is approximately 97.3% - that means roughly 1.67 billion people will suffer from the virus about 20% of all adults in the world.
Not even worth commenting again!
Children are in the lowest proportion of infection. They are obvious carriers though, the little brats. Should stick to petrol bombs like good little Lurgan childer!
In China it grew rapidly from mid January (and I acknowledge the very first case is regarded as being in November around the 17th) and around 10 -14 cases now per day and dropping rapidly, reversing the trend in just two months. Far from eradicated, but dropping fast.
10 loo rolls will probably do!
I know a way of making water last, by simply adding water. Same with sprouts. Take two and never mind the rations. Provides a source for heat too.
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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Armagh_paul said:
I think games will end up being played behind closed doors just to wrap up the league and the all Ireland will be scrapped for this year.

It's a shame the GAA couldn't make the most out of a bad situation. With a lot of sports suspended across the world the games could have got a lot more exposure with games played behind closed doors and having players tested beforehand but available to watch on sky/online. It might be the only source of sorts entertainment.
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As much as you're right AP about the playing of games behind closed doors as an idea and acknowledging testing beforehand, results take time to come back.
Players have also been asked to avoid collective training which would not be ideal prep for a game. They'd need testing before each training session then too and would be exposed to more than just other players, possibly bringing home infections. Perfectly normal at all other time I know, but this is far from normal. If there IS total lockdown, special travel permits would be needed. It's just a logistical nightmare.
Alongside that where will the income to provide the expenses come from without gate receipts?

So many questions and zero answers. Sorry!
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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Big Jim said:
It's amazing the amount of scaremongering still going on in the media - not belittling the fact that this is a dangerous virus especially to certain groups and it is mainly coming from politicians which makes you wonder is there something more sinister going on.

A few sensational headlines:
possibly up to 50 million people will die because of this infection
The majority of people with underlying conditions WILL die when they catch the virus
You can catch this infection by someone smiling at you (now that had to be the monster raving looney party!)
Children are amongst the most vulnerable
In Ireland and UK this will peak in around 14-16 weeks following international trends
You need 20 loo rolls per day to survive
Food will be limited to one biscuit or uncooked brussel sprout per day - ok I made that one up!

Facts:
So far (up until 16th March) 181,664 (that's one hundred and 81 thousand, six hundred and 64) cases have been reported worldwide with 81,000 in Mainland China alone. 7131 total deaths - that's a sad number
Use that last line and try and work out what percentage 50 million is
The survival rate is approximately 97.3% - that means roughly 1.67 billion people will suffer from the virus about 20% of all adults in the world.
Not even worth commenting again!
Children are in the lowest proportion of infection. They are obvious carriers though, the little brats. Should stick to petrol bombs like good little Lurgan childer!
In China it grew rapidly from mid January (and I acknowledge the very first case is regarded as being in November around the 17th) and around 10 -14 cases now per day and dropping rapidly, reversing the trend in just two months. Far from eradicated, but dropping fast.
10 loo rolls will probably do!
I know a way of making water last, by simply adding water. Same with sprouts. Take two and never mind the rations. Provides a source for heat too.
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You know Jim, your post has given me hope (yes, this really is me taking you seriously)

I can’t say I’ve not been worried, especially as it gets nearer and numbers increase. I’ve stopped looking at the news as you never knew what to think or believe. As for Worzel Gummidge and Candyfloss head Trump, sure their own mothers wouldn’t have trusted them.

Yes it’s frigging worrying, especially for older folk and vulnerable people, which even some of us might be.

If it’s slowing in China that’s something. I’ll take any positives right now.Hopefully we’ll see the same in Italy very soon after their measures.

What is frightening is what some may end up facing, struggling to breathe and maybe without ventilators etc. Doesn’t bear thinking about. I know if it was me I’d want a quick getaway.

I don’t even know what I’m saying now. I suppose this thread has became therapy for some. Well, me.

Can you spare any beans, Jim? I’ve enough bog roll for now.
 
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Peter grimes

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Big Jim said:
It's amazing the amount of scaremongering still going on in the media .....which makes you wonder is there something more sinister going on.

A few sensational headlines.......

Facts:......
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China are curtailing the spread by shutting the place down. The problem hasn’t been fixed. As soon as the restrictions are removed (and in some cases that involves removing the government enforced blockage on people’s front door) the the spread escalates again.

Those headlines are sensational so maybe spend the time at home to reappraise where you get your news

Some of your facts are dubious (how do you know children are amongst the least infected. To be carriers they must be infected but who is testing them?). And your China example is just the worst form of taking a fact and removing the all important context.

Your post is completely unhelpful.

And with lines like “it makes you wonder if there is something more sinister going on” then you are not above a bit of scaremongering yourself
 
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Peter grimes

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Big Jim said:
As much as you're right AP about the playing of games behind closed doors as an idea and acknowledging testing beforehand, results take time to come back.
Players have also been asked to avoid collective training which would not be ideal prep for a game. They'd need testing before each training session then too and would be exposed to more than just other players, possibly bringing home infections. Perfectly normal at all other time I know, but this is far from normal. If there IS total lockdown, special travel permits would be needed. It's just a logistical nightmare.
Alongside that where will the income to provide the expenses come from without gate receipts?

So many questions and zero answers. Sorry!
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Completely agree with you on this one. Behind closed doors isn’t a option.

It’s very difficult to see how the whole shut down (full or partial) is going to be reversed in time for their to be a 2020 season.

Rugby League in England runs on that spring-autumn calendar. It’s a professional sport but with very little money splashing about. They are looking at some doomsday scenarios
 
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Peter grimes

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Harper1 said:
Given they way that this is developing and the actions being taken to try to flatten the peak of the virus over a longer period, it looks like the two week closure of games is only the beginning. I think Arlene said a bit more than she was supposed to when she let slip that schools when closed could be closed for 16 weeks.

So without getting into the rights or wrongs of the action taken, as I know some of you will think it's not enough and other will say it's all hype, what do you think the GAA plan should be if we have no games until June/July? I'm sure somewhere in Croke Park it's being discussed but what sort of options are there?

Personally I think the leagues need finished off as soon as we get the go ahead it'll only take 2 weeks and means the competition that has started gets completed and is ready to start again next year, but if that's late June or early July what next? Abandon the provincial championships and play a straight knockout All Ireland series? Could we seed a draw based on the leagues? Can we even call an emergency convention to agree a way forward and amend the rules or is such an event currently banned?

For our own clubs, could this years leagues be a write off? If we just have the summer should we play championship only?

Obviously decisions should and will be led by the health professionals but hopefully somewhere contingency plans are being made.
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Having never developed a vaccine I going to have to rely on what I’m reading in what I believe to be the informed and non sensational media on that bit. A vaccine seems to be c18 months away. And that’s not certain.

We are currently in a partial shutdown and with each passing day that shutdown gets more draconian.

If we slacken the shutdown the infection rate and therefore serious illness and deaths go up.

So what is the exit strategy to the shutdown? The only 3 answers floating around are a vaccine (not today or tomorrow), “herd immunity” (and whilst that is the ultimate long term answer you need some form of a vaccine to be working along side to get to herd immunity levels without serious collateral damage along the way) or the development of an effective anti-viral that allows us to treat those that are infected.

So in that context when do want games to restart?

Hopefully there will be reasons to revise the outlook upwards in the coming weeks but going on the evidence to date this could be a long haul
 
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PatMustard

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Forget footballing seasons and when they’ll start again because that’s just a side issue. The issue is people’s health.

As annoying as not having football as an outlet for our entertainment is, at the end of the day, it’s only football.
 
Big Jim

Big Jim

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Peter grimes said:
China are curtailing the spread by shutting the place down. The problem hasn’t been fixed. As soon as the restrictions are removed (and in some cases that involves removing the government enforced blockage on people’s front door) the the spread escalates again.

Those headlines are sensational so maybe spend the time at home to reappraise where you get your news

Some of your facts are dubious (how do you know children are amongst the least infected. To be carriers they must be infected but who is testing them?). And your China example is just the worst form of taking a fact and removing the all important context.

Your post is completely unhelpful.

And with lines like “it makes you wonder if there is something more sinister going on” then you are not above a bit of scaremongering yourself
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China are curtailing the virus by shutting the place down. Correct. I never suggested otherwise.
Where have the cases risen when the restrictions have ben lifted? China hasn't even started to relax their restrictions, due to start this weekend. ALL over the world restrictions are being put IN place, not relaxed.
Emmmmmm on spending time reappraising, maybe you should have re read the start of the post where I clearly stated "scaremongering" and "sensational".
My facts maybe are a bit dubious, but taken from the WHO so maybe don't know what they're talking about. They state clearly on their website if you care to look that "children are amongst the least infected". I have to concede though that that's most likely based on the numbers tested. Bit like saying, "those not here please stand up!" There will be no facts around those not tested, because it's absolutely impossible to know for sure if some have the current threatening virus without accurate testing, I'm sure you'll agree.
Sorry, the facts about China are the worst form of taking a fact and removing the all important context?? What context have I missed here. I quoted in terms of world figures - I'll let you guess where I got that from, but a hint "WHO" updated twice daily, but they probably aren't including all the facts.
"it makes you wonder if there is something more sinister going on" I'll concede whole heartedly was tongue in cheek and most likely ill advised, in the context of the post, but I 100% stand behind all of the true facts quoted as they come from the world leading experts and scientists. I was endeavouring to add a little humour to a dire situation.
The fact that I have quoted exact dates, numbers etc. from professional bodies should indicate I HAVE been following this carefully. I stated in another post that I'm one with underlying conditions that has to be careful along with other reasons. I know it's none of your business, but I also have someone close battling cancer, so like I also said before, believe me I know as much as there is to know about this. As a family, we've had no choice.

Rest easy knowing I've reappraised where I get my news, but thanks for the opportunity to clarify. I do apologise for trying to have a sense of humour to help get through this. Seeing as I can't work for the foreseeable future, I guess it's all I can do, but then again, you really don't need or care to know that.
 
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Kem

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The result of the shut down is to wreck the economic, social and cultural life of the world. Millions have already lost jobs and many millions more will if it goes on for a long time. A few countries have taken the option of carrying on as normal as possible and hoping that they will develop herd immunity and get over it without destroying the life of the country. The downside of that is more deaths among the vulnerable. But it is a viable choice.
 
ShiftYa

ShiftYa

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Looks like this is going to be the first great global disaster since WWII. Considering human history, 75 years of continuous prosperity is unheard of. We were bound to hit a setback sooner or later. Mother Nature is just showing us a taste of what she can do. We will come out of this the other side a better people.
 
PatMustard

PatMustard

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ShiftYa said:
Looks like this is going to be the first great global disaster since WWII. Considering human history, 75 years of continuous prosperity is unheard of. We were bound to hit a setback sooner or later. Mother Nature is just showing us a taste of what she can do. We will come out of this the other side a better people.
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I don’t think this is the work of Mother Nature.
 
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