Is it time for Kieran McGeeney to go?

[ShiftYa]

When Mcgeeney took over 6 years ago we were just over a 1-12 to 1-11 loss in an All-Ireland QF. Today we’ve been blown out by 12 points in an Ulster semi final against Donegal. Have we progressed in this 6 years? If your were another county would you want this man managing you based on both his record with both Armagh and Kildare? Mickey Harte was a very accomplished manager, much more so than McGeeney and even Tyrone has moved on from him. Counter points can be made that we’ve been promoted to division 1 this year and maybe the talent isn’t here within the county to complete with the likes of Donegal. In any case I believe this discussion needs to be had. All opinions and viewpoints welcome.

 

[niall1980]

No

 

[Seamy]

No.

Ridiculous forum to even set up. Natural reaction to a big defeat.

Bigger picture to be looked at here.

Same names on this site calling for his head since he came on board. Some people are never happy.

 

[Mickey Gormley]

I would like to see him go. Disappointing performance. We have 3 junior players on our team surely we have better defenders in the county. He's too loyal. We have played against some of these players an don't overally stand out

 

[niall1980]

Let’s look at the 2014 game. As I stated in the other thread we had McEvoy; Moriarty, Vernon, Mallon; Shields, Donaghy, A Kernan as our back 7. Infinitely better than the back 7 today.
Donegal are better now than they were then also. So that using that game to have a fo at McGeeney doesn’t stack up
Kildare. They were ip against a machine in Dublin yet were robbed blind in one Leinster final or semi final against them. Would and should have won Leinster that year. Against Down in the all Ireland semi final they were also on the end of dubious reffing decisions. Would have had a good chance of beating cork that year also.
With us if you can’t see the progress we have made recently then it’s because you choose not to. Can we be better? Of course we can. Can McGeeney be better? Of course he can. I like McCorry but maybe now is the time to rejig the back room team

 

[Rufus T Firefly]

When Mcgeeney took over 6 years ago we were just over a 1-12 to 1-11 loss in an All-Ireland QF. Today we’ve been blown out by 12 points in an Ulster semi final against Donegal. Have we progressed in this 6 years? If your were another county would you want this man managing you based on both his record with both Armagh and Kildare? Mickey Harte was a very accomplished manager, much more so than McGeeney and even Tyrone has moved on from him. Counter points can be made that we’ve been promoted to division 1 this year and maybe the talent isn’t here within the county to complete with the likes of Donegal. In any case I believe this discussion needs to be had. All opinions and viewpoints welcome.

No.

Reference has been made to this one point defeat to Donegal in 2014 and the 12 point hammering today. For me, we had a better team that day than we have now. One example was Andy Mallon, who was one of the best defenders in the country that year and the young lad from St Pats - whose name escapes me - had the year of his life. Aaron Kernan and Charlie Vernon were two others. I would argue that Jamie and Soupy were better players back then in attack. I would also argue that we caught Donegal cold that day. They were waiting around for a quarter-final after winning Ulster and we came through a long road and had gained great momentum. We almost caught them cold. I would also argue that Donegal are a much superior side now to that team, and that team should have won the All Ireland, only for an aberration from Paul Durcan in nets, in the Final.

 

[niall1980]

No.

Reference has been made to this one point defeat to Donegal in 2014 and the 12 point hammering today. For me, we had a better team that day than we have now. One example was Andy Mallon, who was one of the best defenders in the country that year and the young lad from St Pats - whose name escapes me - had the year of his life. Aaron Kernan and Charlie Vernon were two others. I would argue that Jamie and Soupy were better players back then in attack. I would also argue that we caught Donegal cold that day. They were waiting around for a quarter-final after winning Ulster and we came through a long road and had gained great momentum. We almost caught them cold. I would also argue that Donegal are a much superior side now to that team, and that team should have won the All Ireland, only for an aberration from Paul Durcan in nets, in the Final.

Mickey Murray

 

[Seamy]

I would like to see him go. Disappointing performance. We have 3 junior players on our team surely we have better defenders in the county. He's too loyal. We have played against some of these players an don't overally stand out

What has having 3 Junior players for to do with it? These lads barely play club football due to county commitments. And they're good enough for county level.

Talented footballers can't decide where they're born and live. Such an empty, lazy argument. The same drum banged every time Armagh lose and people want to blame Geezer. Easy targets in shallow argument.

There are junior footballers on every Intercounty team panel in the country, including Dublin.

 

[Rufus T Firefly]

Mickey Murray

Thank you - was an exceptional player that year and then disappeared off the face of the football earth.

 

[niall1980]

Thank you - was an exceptional player that year and then disappeared off the face of the football earth.

Sent you a message there

 

[Mickey Gormley]

What has having 3 Junior players for to do with it? These lads barely play club football due to county commitments. And they're good enough for county level.

Talented footballers can't decide where they're born and live. Such an empty, lazy argument. The same drum banged every time Armagh lose and people want to blame Geezer. Easy targets in shallow argument.

There are junior footballers on every Intercounty team panel in the country, including Dublin.

It's not a lazy argument I just don't rate them sherdian was pulled within 10 minutes. Burns is decent. An jemar is a live wire but he's not a county player. Too small.

Mc geeney is incredibly loyal he's not ruthless enough.

I said it last year need 2 mcentees or someone in an give it a breath of life..

I admit I thought we were a better team than today showing an would have run close but when ya get that sort of a hammering I think it's a sobering process that fresh ideas are needed

 

[William Of Orange]

Is it time for @ShiftYa to change the record ?

 

[Gaamaniac]

Is he the longest serving manager at the minute in Ireland ?

 

[Armagh_paul]

I find it difficult to argue for him staying on. I am not even going to bother talking about 2014 it was a long time ago and probably our last remotely successful year.

Years ago on the other forum we didn't bother with the league and it was merely a warm up competition. However, we have people saying "but we are promoted to D1" big deal? We are becoming like Derry who would win the league and fall on their arses in the championship. It isn't a measure of a counties success so for me it should really be disregarded.

Our Ulster championship record is atrocious.
We do alright in the backdoor but we have nothing to offer in the latter stages. In fact, I would say a lot of managers could get the same wins in the backdoor that McGeeney has got.

Too many hammerings. Too little time to work with the great players we profess to having on this panel. He has had his time and there are too many glaring issues in the team that we have known about for a long long time and they have been ignored. Six years is more than enough time, it hasn't been fruitful and therefore we need to change things up quite a bit.

 

[Armagh_paul]

Is it time for @ShiftYa to change the record ?

The question was inevitably going to come up and it can't be dodged now.

 

[armaghlad]

I’m on the fence with this one. I don’t think McGeeney has to go, but a change wouldn’t exactly do any harm.

I fully expect Armagh to struggle in Division 1 next season. We are short in a number of departments - goalkeeper, defence and midfield. That is not a slight on any individual players it’s just the reality of what we have at the minute. I think supporters need to accept that in their expectations.

With that said I would like to see the panel freshened up a bit. There are bound to be players just as good as what we already have who deserve a shot

 

[Mickey Gormley]

I find it difficult to argue for him staying on. I am not even going to bother talking about 2014 it was a long time ago and probably our last remotely successful year.

Years ago on the other forum we didn't bother with the league and it was merely a warm up competition. However, we have people saying "but we are promoted to D1" big deal? We are becoming like Derry who would win the league and fall on their arses in the championship. It isn't a measure of a counties success so for me it should really be disregarded.

Our Ulster championship record is atrocious.
We do alright in the backdoor but we have nothing to offer in the latter stages. In fact, I would say a lot of managers could get the same wins in the backdoor that McGeeney has got.

Too many hammerings. Too little time to work with the great players we profess to having on this panel. He has had his time and there are too many glaring issues in the team that we have known about for a long long time and they have been ignored. Six years is more than enough time, it hasn't been fruitful and therefore we need to change things up quite a bit.

I agree in everything you said quote per quote he's still a legend but I think we have serious talent and fresh Ideas could really bring us on

 

[ragingbull]

Is it time for @ShiftYa to change the record ?

To don't look back in anger by the oasis

 

[Armagh_paul]

I’m on the fence with this one. I don’t think McGeeney has to go, but a change wouldn’t exactly do any harm.

I fully expect Armagh to struggle in Division 1 next season. We are short in a number of departments - goalkeeper, defence and midfield. That is not a slight on any individual players it’s just the reality of what we have at the minute. I think supporters need to accept that in their expectations.

With that said I would like to see the panel freshened up a bit. There are bound to be players just as good as what we already have who deserve a shot

Donegal have a minimum of 5 midfielders they can use and are all of quality. After todays performance I doubt we even have 1. Are management responsible for alienating back up options away from the panel because they aren't being used? I don't want to go back to 2014 but we had the making of a good midfield with Aaron Findon but has even been used once under McGeeney?

 

[ShiftYa]

No.

Reference has been made to this one point defeat to Donegal in 2014 and the 12 point hammering today. For me, we had a better team that day than we have now. One example was Andy Mallon, who was one of the best defenders in the country that year and the young lad from St Pats - whose name escapes me - had the year of his life. Aaron Kernan and Charlie Vernon were two others. I would argue that Jamie and Soupy were better players back then in attack. I would also argue that we caught Donegal cold that day. They were waiting around for a quarter-final after winning Ulster and we came through a long road and had gained great momentum. We almost caught them cold. I would also argue that Donegal are a much superior side now to that team, and that team should have won the All Ireland, only for an aberration from Paul Durcan in nets, in the Final.

Maybe so, but is McGeeney a competent enough manager to oversee the big changes this team still has to make to be the good football team many here believe we can team we aspire to be. Does he have the ability to identify our key weakness and the coaching and managerial ability to address them, is he playing to our strengths ie getting the best out of our players? Does he have the tactical awareness to make key changes when needed? Are Donegal much better now than they were back then, after all they were only after winning the AI two years earlier. Are we that much worse than we were back then? In my opinion, were not. The role of manager isn't a token role it's the most important in any county setup as whoever has it leads the setup and sets the culture of the team. Is there better out there more suited to the job? Is he a better manager than Mickey Harte was? If not why are we sticking with him.