National League 2019

[Big Jim]

As for the match I'd like to see video of the two Clare goals and Jamie's red card.
The first goal must have been the faintest of faintest touches as from my view that end of the field there was a strong challenge and that's it.
With the second goal being so far away for me to see it's hard to say what really happened but again it must have been very close.
As for Jamie's red card it looked to me like there was an arm across the clare man's chest and then the guy from the grassy knoll shot him. But it was so quick and with the usual hands put to face to show the hit it seems like some serious hoodwinking went on.

Sorry but that for me is the funniest line so far in todays summation! Jeez I really need to grow up! Obviously I can't say how accurate the description is because I genuinely didn't't see it properly, but I know since Jamie has come into the team a few years back Have often questioned why he doesn't do the cute hoer thing and just go down. He gets no protection from officials and mostly battles on. Only downside is that he seems to be getting more frustrated and falling for it. @bcb1 have a word and let him now we're all behind him and playing the game is pat of playing the game

 

[Whites]

To me the stand out moment from a game that had a lot of moments.

I'm seriously hoping that whoever did that is on this forum and justifies being an asshole of the highest order. There were also at least one coin or object also thrown and someone even threw a programme, although I think someone in front of them was glad of the programme to shelter from the rain. Folks if this is what we have degenerated to and the standard that we want and accept among our support, then a serious rethink on what we are is needed and needed fast. That bottle is mis-thrown and hits a child in the face or on the head and does a serious injury. If it's my child I'm doing time for you. It's a goddamn game at the end of the day. I drove home last week knowing I'd to head straight to a wake house as I lost a relative during the game. Get grip on reality before someone gets hurt!

That lad at the start of the game was taken to hospital in an ambulance because he ended up with Charlie on him. Both those lads had reason to be annoyed at the ref. Didn't see either team do anything daft then. I'm sure Charlie and some of the lads will at least send a message to him because it's just a game!

Well said

 

[Big Jim]

And by the way, it's almost as if you red my mind @JoeH as I normally like Reilly as a ref. He has been in charge for quite a few of our challenge games and competitive games, so he should understand how we play. He normally communicates well with players, but today makes me wonder is the rules committee making just too difficult for one person to be in charge/control of everything.

 

[ragingbull]

I see Rory Hickey of Clare referee next week. Is it not possible to have referees from a different division?

referees from other counties in your division shouldn't be refereeing any of our games in my opinon

 

[Ard Mhacha 13]

To be honest I never want to hear screams of pain like I heard today - good to see medics from both teams and the ambulance people working together.
Like everyone else I wish a speedy recovery to the player.

As for the match I'd like to see video of the two Clare goals and Jamie's red card.
The first goal must have been the faintest of faintest touches as from my view that end of the field there was a strong challenge and that's it.
With the second goal being so far away for me to see it's hard to say what really happened but again it must have been very close.
As for Jamie's red card it looked to me like there was an arm across the clare man's chest and then the guy from the grassy knoll shot him. But it was so quick and with the usual hands put to face to show the hit it seems like some serious hoodwinking went on.

I would like to see more of teams of match officials at games as opposed to constantly changing referee and linesmen
I thought today the ref forgot there was an advantage rule and at times the ref forgot that two teams were playing such were his decisions. Normally I like to see this ref doing games as I would have rated him - but today it was atrocious.
Others here have said a lot about the game. My short view is simple - we are now a serious team with a serious amount of great players to select from and to return from injury.
We should have put this team out of site such were the opporropportu missed, dropped short and bad luck.
The teams fitness, tenacity and willingness to keep pushing on is first rate.

Great post @JoeH totally agree with everything you've written.

Jamie indicated to the management team on the line as he was coming off that he'd caught the player in the chest, made the same gesture a couple of times to emphadlsise his point. Surely if Armagh have this on tape they will appeal the red card?

 

[Ard Mhacha 13]

And by the way, it's almost as if you red my mind @JoeH as I normally like Reilly as a ref. He has been in charge for quite a few of our challenge games and competitive games, so he should understand how we play. He normally communicates well with players, but today makes me wonder is the rules committee making just too difficult for one person to be in charge/control of everything.

Maybe time to take up an idea proposed by Danny Hughes in one of his Irish News articles, 2 referees. Why not trial it? I mean they've trialled almost everything else at this stage. Mind you given the standard of our referees would this just make things twice as bad?!?!! Bring back Pat Mc Enaney

 

[Ard Mhacha 13]

referees from other counties in your division shouldn't be refereeing any of our games in my opinon

I can't believe you've actually said something I agree with!!!!

 

[Bert]

Great post @JoeH totally agree with everything you've written.

Jamie indicated to the management team on the line as he was coming off that he'd caught the player in the chest, made the same gesture a couple of times to emphadlsise his point. Surely if Armagh have this on tape they will appeal the red card?

It hardly matters if he caught him in the head or chest. Same result - a sending off.

As much as I love watching him play for Armagh he should know better at this stage of his career.

He'll be missed against Meath. I remember him having a superb game in navan a few years back

 

[PatMustard]

Maybe time to take up an idea proposed by Danny Hughes in one of his Irish News articles, 2 referees. Why not trial it? I mean they've trialled almost everything else at this stage. Mind you given the standard of our referees would this just make things twice as bad?!?!! Bring back Pat Mc Enaney

You’re still reading it then?

But yeah, it’s worth a go.

 

[PatMustard]

It hardly matters if he caught him in the head or chest. Same result - a sending off.

As much as I love watching him play for Armagh he should know better at this stage of his career.

He'll be missed against Meath. I remember him having a superb game in navan a few years back

Speaking of high challenges... McNamee caught a Mayo forward high and late and didn’t seem to pick up any card.

 

[ragingbull]

I can't believe you've actually said something I agree with!!!!

 

[Ard Mhacha 13]

It hardly matters if he caught him in the head or chest. Same result - a sending off.

As much as I love watching him play for Armagh he should know better at this stage of his career.

He'll be missed against Meath. I remember him having a superb game in navan a few years back

I disagree if he was sent off for "allegedly" elbowing or throwing his arm back into the face of a player but actually caught the player across the chest it is a red card that can & should be appealed. Of course it will not change the result of today's match but it could mean him being available for next Sunday.

 

[Androim]

I disagree if he was sent off for "allegedly" elbowing or throwing his arm back into the face of a player but actually caught the player across the chest it is a red card that can & should be appealed. Of course it will not change the result of today's match but it could mean him being available for next Sunday.

Call Fergal Logan...ah...er...sorry..

 

[niall1980]

It hardly matters if he caught him in the head or chest. Same result - a sending off.

As much as I love watching him play for Armagh he should know better at this stage of his career.

He'll be missed against Meath. I remember him having a superb game in navan a few years back

Is it really tho? If he threw an elbow back then o would agree. If he just threw his arm back and push the guy over then I disagree. There was one stage in the first half during a Clare attack when their forward led into one of our backs with his elbow. Surely that’s a red? Maybe our defender should have gone down holding his face

 

[Patrick-Armagh]

I was right in line with what happened with Clarke and as soon it happened I thought "he's just elbowed him in the face and the ref is right there and if the ref's seen that Clarke is in trouble." I've read McGeeney's comments on RTE suggesting that the player made a meal of it, but as far as I could see, the player went down straight away, rather than delaying and then going down. I can't say that Clarke definitely caught, but I'm 99.9% sure that he threw and elbow and it was at head level, not across the chest. Other people who were closer to the incident may say otherwise, so happy to be corrected.

However, what doesn't help is the fact that the ref is from Meath and we play them next week. I'm not saying that that influenced his decision, but you wonder who makes these decisions at Croke Park and is unable to look at league table and see where a ref comes from?

 

[pablo]

Here, out of interest. What is the Irish translation of Jemar in the match program? Seamus?

Jemár
That's me calling upon the same strategy of 1) guessing or 2) sticking on a random fada, that almost got me through 'O' level Irish all those years ago.

 

[ragingbull]

Soupy Campbell has only scored 1-1 in the 2 league games for a player of his class that's not good enough

 

[Bo Darville]

I disagree if he was sent off for "allegedly" elbowing or throwing his arm back into the face of a player but actually caught the player across the chest it is a red card that can & should be appealed.

Nobody gets sent for that, but loads of people get sent of for ‘striking or attempting to strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee’ - a category III(i) offense.

There is absolutely nothing in the rule about where or even if you connect with the opponent. So on what grounds would he appeal?

 

[Ard Mhacha 13]

Nobody gets sent for that, but loads of people get sent of for ‘striking or attempting to strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee’ - a category III(i) offense.

There is absolutely nothing in the rule about where or even if you connect with the opponent. So on what grounds would he appeal?

Possibly on the same grounds Aidan Forker's red card was appealed & rescinded after the Louth match. I guess I'm just of the opinion that if it was the wrong decision on the day (& I think there were quite a few) it's worth looking into, those involved in the Armagh set up will obviously know much better than I do whether or not this is the case. Personally I want all our players available for the next match if possible.

 

[niall1980]

Nobody gets sent for that, but loads of people get sent of for ‘striking or attempting to strike with the arm, elbow, hand or knee’ - a category III(i) offense.

There is absolutely nothing in the rule about where or even if you connect with the opponent. So on what grounds would he appeal?

There’s actual striking and then there’s throwing your arm back to push someone off you. The lad who pushed McCabe to the ground before one of their frees weee taken, what does that fall under