Senior championship 2022 & 2023

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Jimbo85

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crossmaglen and killeavy are the two worst fan bases i have seen in recent times. If they are losing they just jump on the referees back all the time, sour sour bunch both sets.
 
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Wee man

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bcb1 said:
While I know some of our fans are hard to listen to, like all clubs have ones like that, i have to say there is some merit in the complaints. I don’t get to as many games as I am not in the town any more but a few years back I was at a match most nights at different ages and levels. I am not a ‘ref complainer’ but genuinely I have often questioned what was going on. Perhaps it is an unconscious bias on behalf of refs but in too many games the rules have been applied differently against us than the opposing team. It rarely is the deciding factor but when you see it at so many levels a paranoia can creep in, and who better than us for creating a siege mentality!!

Anyway, like I said it doesn’t win or lose games and generally the better team wins irrespective of the ref
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Perhaps it’s a vicious circle. Maybe the refs unconscious bias is a result of the complaining supporters.
While I agree every club has the odd supporter hard on the ears, cross have way above quota.
Honourable mention to Killeavy.
 
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Armaghmad00

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Well last night arrived to the athlete ground to be told the standing side is closed. While there are around 10 people standing over there. I asked a steward about it to be told it wasn't opened. When you pay 12 into a ground you should be aloud to sit or stand wherever you want.
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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are Armagh the only Ulster County that don't play that relegation crap from Senior Championship to see who stays in the Senior Championship or goes into Intermediate Championship
 
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Not too serious

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In other counties once you are beat in championship you go to a relegation pot and teams are drawn out. You have to win to stay up.
Lose and you keep playing until one is left that have lost every game and are relegated.

In armagh relegation from senior championship comes via the league. However teams do get promoted to senior without having won intermediate championship.

In armagh it keeps higher division teams out of lower level championships, etc. In Down this year rostrevor are in division 1 but playing intermediate championship against division 2 and 3 teams. I remember a long while ago Madden as a division 3 team making the senior semi finals against cross.
 
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bcb1

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Madden actually made the final, think it was 1998. It was so needed when they graded it as per the divisions in Armagh and other counties should do the same. I’m in Antrim these days and the gradings are poor and it really doesn’t help. Senior, intermediate and junior(with a possible Junior B) is the way forward.
 
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Armaghball

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Not too serious said:
In other counties once you are beat in championship you go to a relegation pot and teams are drawn out. You have to win to stay up.
Lose and you keep playing until one is left that have lost every game and are relegated.

In armagh relegation from senior championship comes via the league. However teams do get promoted to senior without having won intermediate championship.

In armagh it keeps higher division teams out of lower level championships, etc. In Down this year rostrevor are in division 1 but playing intermediate championship against division 2 and 3 teams. I remember a long while ago Madden as a division 3 team making the senior semi finals against cross.
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So Rostrevor will have to win an intermediate championship to get back to play senior? Have to say I prefer our system and the split in the leagues was another excellent idea. That coupled with a straight knock out championship has our club games throwing up superb matches throughout the year imo.
 
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Armaghball said:
So Rostrevor will have to win an intermediate championship to get back to play senior? Have to say I prefer our system and the split in the leagues was another excellent idea. That coupled with a straight knock out championship has our club games throwing up superb matches throughout the year imo.
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Yea they only go up to Senior again under the current set up if they win intermediate. That said down’s competitions are a bit skewed. They had no relegation the last 2 years due to covid but did have promotion. This year 4 teams were relegated from D1 (Rostrevor were one of them) but they are the only D1 side for 2022 in intermediate. I don’t think their current arrangement will last longer term.

For competitiveness armagh system is better but in my opinion there’s too many clubs in senior and intermediate. The A/B league splits help to mask this to a certain extent but outside the county our intermediate and junior representatives generally don’t break much ground as they aren’t of the same standard. 10 or 12 teams max in senior and intermediate could help that with a junior B added at the bottom end to split a larger junior section.
 
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armaghlad

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I like our leagues the way they are. Our 8 team divisions are perfect, virtually all games are competitive and more teams have something to play for for longer. I would only add an extra division (Junior B) to include the better reserve teams.

Decreasing the amount of teams in senior and intermediate won’t make much of a difference. There isn’t a whole lot between the bottom of 1B and 2A and likewise 2B and the top junior teams.
 
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armaghlad said:
I like our leagues the way they are. Our 8 team divisions are perfect, virtually all games are competitive and more teams have something to play for for longer. I would only add an extra division (Junior B) to include the better reserve teams.

Decreasing the amount of teams in senior and intermediate won’t make much of a difference. There isn’t a whole lot between the bottom of 1B and 2A and likewise 2B and the top junior teams.
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That is exactly the point. Not much between bottom of 1B and 2A indicates they are all of similar quality, ie Intermediate. There are teams in 2B that would not, nor be even close to winning the junior championship at the minute.

Based on end of leagues this year I’d have went:

Senior (12): harps, Killeavy, cross, madden, Clann Eireann, granemore, maghery, Dromintee, Ballymacnab, mullaghbawn, Silverbridge, Clan na Gael.

Intermediate (12): sarsfields, grange, st pats, cruppen, Pearse ogs, Shane’s, St Peter’s, St Paul’s, tullysaran, Wolfe tones, culloville, tir na nog

Junior (12): annaghmore, whitecross, belleek, cross 2, forkhill, keady, collegeland, clonmore, ballyhegan, Derrynoose, middletown, lissummon

Junior b (9 + any potential seconds team additions): Eire og, Newtown, Dorsey, Killeavy 2, Correnshego, an port mor, Mullabrack, clady, O’Hanlon’s

Leagues: play round 1 then split top 6 and bottom 6 for round 2. Total 16 games (junior b play home and away no split unless more teams)

Championship: 4 groups of 3 (seeded based on league position). One home game and one away game. Top 2 qualify for quarter finals, bottom 4 teams in relegation semi finals (losers of semi finals play off to determine relegation).
(Junior B draw seeded in two pots and play a back door championship no groups unless no. Teams was sufficient). Could be run off in 9 weeks.

Two promotion spots: championship winners and league winners (or runners up).
Two relegation spots: bottom place in league and championship relegation losers (or second bottom in the league).

Cons are it isn’t knock out championship but with relegation at stake and smaller groups no dead rubbers.

Pros are minimum 19 games in senior, intermediate and junior A and 18 in junior b against more similar level teams.
 
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