Senior championship 2022 & 2023

The ref was terrible. We are all for letting the game go, it's adds greatly to the spectacle but when blatant fouls aren't being called continuously and the basic rules are not being applied in a county semi final of course the losing team are going to feel extremely aggrieved. That said CE were 8-2 up with 20 left in normal time and were in complete control. They then only kicked 1 point in the last 40mins of play inc ET. Soupy and McPartland bring the x factor that could well win Clans the Final.

If Clans win the final do they take Dromintees place in 1A next year?
I don’t think so it would only have changed promotion / relegation if clans had been in a relegation slot themselves from senior to intermediate. So they would remain in 1B as they will still be a “senior” club next year regardless.
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
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Referees are NOT appointed by the county board. They are appointed by the committee in charge of the fixture

Serious amount of whining about the referees performance
It can only be assumed that all the whiners will attend a referees course and start officiating at games so that the standard improves

How many wides did both teams kick?
How many mistakes did each player make ?
How many kickouts ended up behind the 13m line?
How many turnovers in tackles were made?

It's exceptionally easy to pick on the referee - and admittedly seemingly incorrect decisions are made - but it has to be balanced.

In my opinion the TEAM that wanted it most are now in the final
It was the worst referring performance I’ve ever seen. It says a lot that most of the chat is about him rather than the game.
 
On last nights matches Cullyhanna came through their first test of the championship although Ogs had a couple of massive goal chances that they didn’t take and could really have had them in bother going in to the last 10. I think either of todays semi finalists will fancy their chances.

The Lurgan derby threw up an excellent second half despite being low scoring. The refereeing performance has overshadowed Campbell’s outstanding performance probably the first time he has stood up like that at the senior grade for Clans. There was so many blatant fouls not given for both teams it was laughable at times. However Clann Eireann when the challenge was presented disappointingly wilted.

Referring in general is horrendous but don’t dare question them (at games or on here). I have seen a referee explain an onfield decision and when challenged on the actual rule be dismissive and low and behold when the referees match report came through he had changed the details to suit himself. Scandalous really.

I don’t know how to fix the problem. The give respect get respect thing has to work both ways. I would suggest some form of meeting of minds for club representatives to be able to give feedback and some way to bring referees / coaches / players together instead of the us v them that currently exists. The referees report now contains sections on player conduct, sideline conduct, supporter conduct. Everything but their own.

And before anyone starts I know we don’t have games without them but that can’t mean we have to continue down a path of accepting poor displays without trying to fix it.
 

winsamsoon

Well-Known Member
I am pretty sure I highlighted most of these issues regarding the officiating here last week and the majority of posters were at the other end of the scale. If we accept shite we will always get shite. The argument that there is nobody else is rubbish, if they are better trained, assessed and performance based then it will all improve and it will help them also.

In the build up to this game CE had been built up as if they had won championships for years, possibly in their own mind they had won Ulster's aswell. When in reality they got extremely lucky winning the one against Cross and we're dumped out last year by Mullaghbawn. Mullaghbawn being a team that never won a game this year in their group.

When the game was in the melting pot there was only one winner, heart determination and hunger drove our lads on. The sending off was justified and could have been a straight red and did lift the clans, but they still had to kick on and they sure did.

Cracking encounter and one that will become more and more over the next 5 or 6 years hopefully. But nothing is guaranteed and it's wise not to get above ones station, one swallow doesn't make a summer.

We have a massive challenge ahead of us now, people can go an view it or be sore losers if they wish.

Last night would have taken a lot of out of our lads, both teams had a lot of men out on their feet and it was nothing only a determination to win and credit goes to both clubs for that.

Today's game will allow us to plan over the next couple of weeks and by God those lads will have another rattle at whoever is in front of them. However nothing is guaranteed, my bias would say these lads are due this win because this has been some campaign, still unbeaten after pulling 3 or 4 games out of the fire.

Proud of everyone of those lads, who are a great bunch that has just knuckled down and said enoughs enough. It's hard to beat passion and our lads have it in abundance.

Still waiting on those calls for Gerry
 

Kem

Active Member
As a referee in a bygone age I don't like criticising them. Without them the show would be off the road completely. However there is such inconsistencies in the way individual referees interpret the rule book that you might imagine they are using different rules. This problem could surely be improved.
 

OneofTwo

Member
R

Referees are NOT appointed by the county board. They are appointed by the committee in charge of the fixture

Serious amount of whining about the referees performance
It can only be assumed that all the whiners will attend a referees course and start officiating at games so that the standard improves

How many wides did both teams kick?
How many mistakes did each player make ?
How many kickouts ended up behind the 13m line?
How many turnovers in tackles were made?

It's exceptionally easy to pick on the referee - and admittedly seemingly incorrect decisions are made - but it has to be balanced.

In my opinion the TEAM that wanted it most are now in the final

To a point I agree. The Clans were so so hungry and value for their win based on that but I think you are under estimating the poor officiating and the impact it can have on a game and did have on this game.

CE have plenty of questions to internally answer and potentially sort but the ref and officiating is something they can’t sort. It’s literally out of their control.

Mc Parlands stamp was nothing other than thuggery and it didn’t even get a second glance despite there being 6 officials.

Regardless of what you say the standard of officiating in Armagh is absolutely horrendous. I actually don’t mind the poor performances or mistakes by a ref, it’s the arrogance and the “how dare you ask for reasoning!” attitude that I can’t stand.
 

CEMan

Member
Stamping is a red card offence. Clans offered nothing 15 v15, doubt they would have offered much 14 v 14.

Is that 'hunger' winning the game or a referee that doesn't apply the rules equally?
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
I am pretty sure I highlighted most of these issues regarding the officiating here last week and the majority of posters were at the other end of the scale. If we accept shite we will always get shite. The argument that there is nobody else is rubbish, if they are better trained, assessed and performance based then it will all improve and it will help them also.

In the build up to this game CE had been built up as if they had won championships for years, possibly in their own mind they had won Ulster's aswell. When in reality they got extremely lucky winning the one against Cross and we're dumped out last year by Mullaghbawn. Mullaghbawn being a team that never won a game this year in their group.

When the game was in the melting pot there was only one winner, heart determination and hunger drove our lads on. The sending off was justified and could have been a straight red and did lift the clans, but they still had to kick on and they sure did.

Cracking encounter and one that will become more and more over the next 5 or 6 years hopefully. But nothing is guaranteed and it's wise not to get above ones station, one swallow doesn't make a summer.

We have a massive challenge ahead of us now, people can go an view it or be sore losers if they wish.

Last night would have taken a lot of out of our lads, both teams had a lot of men out on their feet and it was nothing only a determination to win and credit goes to both clubs for that.

Today's game will allow us to plan over the next couple of weeks and by God those lads will have another rattle at whoever is in front of them. However nothing is guaranteed, my bias would say these lads are due this win because this has been some campaign, still unbeaten after pulling 3 or 4 games out of the fire.

Proud of everyone of those lads, who are a great bunch that has just knuckled down and said enoughs enough. It's hard to beat passion and our lads have it in abundance.

Still waiting on those calls for Gerry
I don’t know who built CE up as if they had been winning championships for years. Certainly didn’t see anything of the like. And this is a typical post. Can’t help but have a dig at the championship CE did win. Dumped out last year. Yeah. With the main layers hardly
Off the plane from the states. Mullaghbawn were a different team this year to last year also.
 

Joe

Member
Stamping is a red card offence. Clans offered nothing 15 v15, doubt they would have offered much 14 v 14.

Is that 'hunger' winning the game or a referee that doesn't apply the rules equally?
It was 15 v 15 in extra time and the penalty made it respectable for clann eireann. Clans outscored them 0-12 to 1-1 from the middle of the second half so you can cry about referees and decisions all you want, the clann eireann players completely bottled it.
 

niall1980

Well-Known Member
It was 15 v 15 in extra time and the penalty made it respectable for clann eireann. Clans outscored them 0-12 to 1-1 from the middle of the second half so you can cry about referees and decisions all you want, the clann eireann players completely bottled it.
Hardly true and unfair to the DLB. They were just better after the red card and took their chance
 

Wide ball

Well-Known Member
The referee performance wasn't great, I think the debate a few weeks ago was on refs getting abuse from the sideline, as I and many others have said it's always going on. I can't agree with that happening but yes ref standards need to improve but with the rules constantly changing and with fewer refs it's hard to get them better, like most refs are older men who are not fit to keep up with play, like the cullyhanna game the ref blew a lift ball from Nugent I think and the ref was way behind the play and noway he could do seen it, it's impossible for them to keep up with the players and also with players in the modern game getting fitter and fitter it's only going to get worse, I personally think we need 2 refs on the field one in each half of the field, off the ball stuff is hard to see and having 2 might help that also, overall I am a neutral and would of been happy with either team winning as I liked the way both play, I thought CE would win and they should of from the position they where in and fair play to clans for the come back, both teams are going to be in the business end for years to come, hard luck to CE and well done to Clan na gael
 

winsamsoon

Well-Known Member
Stamping is a red card offence. Clans offered nothing 15 v15, doubt they would have offered much 14 v 14.

Is that 'hunger' winning the game or a referee that doesn't apply the rules equally?
The clans were actually very wasteful during that purple patch that CE had, kicking a few wides from play and from free kicks. To say they offered nothing 15 v 15 means either two things. You can't see the wood for the trees or you just find it hard to offer any graciousness in defeat. There was only one team in it in extra time, taking their chances, driving forward and most importantly showing the drive to win. In the end it was deserved.
 

GAAGael

Active Member
Not really. Everybody knows Faloon’s close affiliation with Cross. The only surprising thing is that he didn’t actually get the 2nd semi final. Paudie Hughes usually has a wee say in those matters
Cross would rather play clann Éireann - so not sure what your argument is here?

Clan NaGael outplayed CE simple as. Great teams don’t blame refs for their loss
 

Lurgan2023

New Member
Cross would rather play clann Éireann - so not sure what your argument is here?

Clan NaGael outplayed CE simple as. Great teams don’t blame refs for their loss
I just have a different opinion to you. It’s as simple as that I suppose. Doctors differ as they say.
 
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