Senior championship 2022 & 2023

armaghlad

Active Member
Believe it or not the ideal world you talk about happens in Tyrone. Errigal Ciaran, Coalisland and Donaghmore all have a 111s team
in the league. They are called 111s because you have the senior team and the senior reserves. Then you have the 111s team and their
reserves. The two sets are treated as two separate entities. If a player is to move from the 111s up to the seniors or vice versa they have
to go through a formal transfer that there would be between any two clubs.
This is the proper way to accept a club putting another team into a league by one of the stronger teams as obviously there is no
alternating players as suits other than within the proper transfer time limits'
It's noticeable that Clan Eireann <if they are so strong with numbers>don't even enter a reserves team in the reserve league and while
Cross do they do not seem to contest many reserve league or championship playoffs. Surely it should rank senior team, reserve team and
then your 11s team with the 11s team being a separate entity.
Coalisland don’t enter a 3rds team - they did for one year and it didn’t work out.

Tyrone reserve leagues (unlike Armagh) are graded, rather than organised geographically. Hence, presumably why CE, Cross etc don’t see much point in field reserve sides when they’ll have a plethora of DNFs or cricket scores against clubs who take a more “social” approach to reserve football.

I agree though that the county board should probably make Cross, CE & Killeavy treat their IIs as completely separate entities - no chopping and changing throughout the season unless a transfer is granted. I genuinely don’t know enough about the ins & outs of fielding a IIs team and had always assumed that this was the case anyway.
 

Armaghball

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Coalisland don’t enter a 3rds team - they did for one year and it didn’t work out.

Tyrone reserve leagues (unlike Armagh) are graded, rather than organised geographically. Hence, presumably why CE, Cross etc don’t see much point in field reserve sides when they’ll have a plethora of DNFs or cricket scores against clubs who take a more “social” approach to reserve football.

I agree though that the county board should probably make Cross, CE & Killeavy treat their IIs as completely separate entities - no chopping and changing throughout the season unless a transfer is granted. I genuinely don’t know enough about the ins & outs of fielding a IIs team and had always assumed that this was the case anyway.
Cross or CE fielding a reserve team wouldn’t be fair on the others tbh reserve teams should for lads that want a bit of football but either aren’t good enough yet/ anymore/ will never be for the senior team or arent willing to give the commitment needed to push on to a higher level, lads like that deserve an opportunity to play football too. Seconds teams are grand in the junior
 

GAAGael

Active Member
Coalisland don’t enter a 3rds team - they did for one year and it didn’t work out.

Tyrone reserve leagues (unlike Armagh) are graded, rather than organised geographically. Hence, presumably why CE, Cross etc don’t see much point in field reserve sides when they’ll have a plethora of DNFs or cricket scores against clubs who take a more “social” approach to reserve football.

I agree though that the county board should probably make Cross, CE & Killeavy treat their IIs as completely separate entities - no chopping and changing throughout the season unless a transfer is granted. I genuinely don’t know enough about the ins & outs of fielding a IIs team and had always assumed that this was the case anyway.
The only player who changed teams in Cross this year was Rico Kelly. He moved from the seconds to seniors. Hasn't played football in 2 years and built his way back up to Seniors. None of this so called 'chopping and changing'.
 

armaghlad

Active Member
The only player who changed teams in Cross this year was Rico Kelly. He moved from the seconds to seniors. Hasn't played football in 2 years and built his way back up to Seniors. None of this so called 'chopping and changing'.
Well if that’s the case what are people complaining about?
 

Armaghball

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The only player who changed teams in Cross this year was Rico Kelly. He moved from the seconds to seniors. Hasn't played football in 2 years and built his way back up to Seniors. None of this so called 'chopping and changing'.
I’d say in his case thats fair enough to be honest. He’ll be some loss for the seconds next year if he stays with the seniors. Did Clann Eireann drop lads down as their championship form obviously was a whole lot better than league? Or was it a case of talented minors stepping up after minor football was over?
 

C-E

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I’d say in his case thats fair enough to be honest. He’ll be some loss for the seconds next year if he stays with the seniors. Did Clann Eireann drop lads down as their championship form obviously was a whole lot better than league? Or was it a case of talented minors stepping up after minor football was over?
It was a mixture of both to be fair. We had one player drop down from the senior league squad then a few minors emerge who hadn’t been involved throughout the league
 

Armaghball

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It was a mixture of both to be fair. We had one player drop down from the senior league squad then a few minors emerge who hadn’t been involved throughout the league
Don’t think the senior player should have been allowed to drop down myself tbh but if it was only one it sounds like he was someone that wouldnt have been getting gametime rather than some plot to rob a junior. No issues with minors coming in, fair play to them
 

C-E

Member
Don’t think the senior player should have been allowed to drop down myself tbh but if it was only one it sounds like he was someone that wouldnt have been getting gametime rather than some plot to rob a junior. No issues with minors coming in, fair play to them
No, it was a player who has struggled with injuries over the last few years, and subsequently game time. In reality, this individual may have been better starting the year with the junior team and trying to push on.

Can’t imagine many clubs who see themselves challenging for a senior championship would be dropping players down to prioritise winning a Junior championship
 

JoeH

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From memory this reserve league discussion comes up every year
From what I see is teams enter the reserve league, after being requested to submit their intention.
Then the fixtures are put out
Clubs start moving/ postponing fixtures leaving less fixtures being played. Maybe some fixtures aren't fulfilled due to the lack of referees. Clubs realise during the league they don't have the numbers to continue to field so they pull out.

So what do you want to be organised better?
 

Wide ball

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I think in the Futher rural clubs will either have to amalgamate or they will have to fold unfortunately, the lurgan clubs have great numbers which is a credit to them,
 

Onlooker

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I think in the Futher rural clubs will either have to amalgamate or they will have to fold unfortunately, the lurgan clubs have great numbers which is a credit to them,
As far as I could see this year there was no club struggling to field. The new format for junior A and B leagues has been great for the weaker teams as they don't get the usual hammerings from the strong junior A teams that may have dropped down from intermediate. CE II benefited from being in Junior B on their first year (which they were rightly put as a team starting out) gained confidence, promotion and found their feet for the championship.
 

Armaghball

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As far as I could see this year there was no club struggling to field. The new format for junior A and B leagues has been great for the weaker teams as they don't get the usual hammerings from the strong junior A teams that may have dropped down from intermediate. CE II benefited from being in Junior B on their first year (which they were rightly put as a team starting out) gained confidence, promotion and found their feet for the championship.
Doesnt the league split half way through at junior, all teams play once and then top half go to junior a and bottom to junior b?

Would be in favour of a junior b championship as well to give the smaller clubs a chance at silverware.
 

Armaghball

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What exactly do you mean when you say 'Junior clubs be safer getting their own houses in order'? Junior clubs usually are from small areas with
low numbers in their underage ranks. For example our club had only two lads come through from u17s last year and next year have only one. They
are players who have played in grade 3 all through the underage system. So we just pure and simple have a numbers problem. Maybe you in your
wisdom can advise us how to remedy this problem? With regard to it being a credit to any club if they can field 2 or 3 teams this is laughable. A
club that plays all their underage football in grade 1 and has a panel of 20 odd coming through each year and you think its a credit to them? That means that say between the ages of 18 and 30 they have say put 260 players through their system and they are able to field say 40 players on a
sunday and you think thats a credit to them? In that time we would roughly have maybe 25 players through our system and we would expect 20
of them to be playing.
With reference to the 11s team I note in todays Irish News reports on the Ulster CLUB Championship matches. It is club championship. Maybe the
reason 11s teams are not allowed to enter is because they are not clubs. Maybe Armagh should rename their junior championship to the Armagh
Club Junior Championship. That way only junior clubs can enter it. If a club wants to put a 11s team into the league that is different although
ideally the County Board would have a look at organising the reserve leagues better.
I know all too well the struggle of smaller clubs trying to get numbers through from under 8’s right up to senior as I’m sure most of us on here do. Just the way it is unfortunately and it’s the nature of being a small rural club. It’s only getting worse as far as I can see unfortunately and may only be a matter of time until some clubs may have to amalgamate at senior level.

But yes it is an absolute credit to teams being able to get big numbers at all age levels. Fair play to them and thats the standard all clubs should be aiming for. The 25 players from Clann Eireann or Cross or wherever who aren’t good enough to make their senior team should be allowed to play a decent standard of football, imo the best way is at junior/intermediate level.

They would be far too strong for reserve football which would be unfair on them as they’d get a pile of handy games and fixtures not fulfilled which does no one any good, also unfair on lads who want a more casual level of football who also should be catered for.

How would you suggest organising the reserve leagues better?
 

Onlooker

Active Member
Doesnt the league split half way through at junior, all teams play once and then top half go to junior a and bottom to junior b?

Would be in favour of a junior b championship as well to give the smaller clubs a chance at silverware.
no, not anymore. It is the same format as the rest of the leagues now which is good.
 

niall1980

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I know all too well the struggle of smaller clubs trying to get numbers through from under 8’s right up to senior as I’m sure most of us on here do. Just the way it is unfortunately and it’s the nature of being a small rural club. It’s only getting worse as far as I can see unfortunately and may only be a matter of time until some clubs may have to amalgamate at senior level.

But yes it is an absolute credit to teams being able to get big numbers at all age levels. Fair play to them and thats the standard all clubs should be aiming for. The 25 players from Clann Eireann or Cross or wherever who aren’t good enough to make their senior team should be allowed to play a decent standard of football, imo the best way is at junior/intermediate level.

They would be far too strong for reserve football which would be unfair on them as they’d get a pile of handy games and fixtures not fulfilled which does no one any good, also unfair on lads who want a more casual level of football who also should be catered for.

How would you suggest organising the reserve leagues better?
It is definitely a credit to CE and the likes. When I played underage for CE, which wasn’t today or yesterday, I remember games where we struggled to field. Some games reused to 13 a side. So when I look at the club now I feel an immense pride at what they have achieved
 

Armaghball

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It is definitely a credit to CE and the likes. When I played underage for CE, which wasn’t today or yesterday, I remember games where we struggled to field. Some games reused to 13 a side. So when I look at the club now I feel an immense pride at what they have achieved
Some going. Obviously big population helps but with that comes other distractions, be it soccer or buckfast lol
 
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