Armaghniac
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A Cavan v Down final would have a classic look about it.
Ulster Championship 2024
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JoeH
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Why?
Derry goalkeeper was probably following team tactics.
From the TV shots looked like Derry were not setup properly to deal with such issues.
Derry suffered from not having a strong enough bench - 2.5yrs on the go, Glen winning an AI, sticking so rigidly to plan A that plan B is still in the post.
It'll be interesting how Donegal now recover from the game ahead of their game in seven days huge energy expanded and recovery will be key for them
Intriguing game today between Tyrone and Cavan. Paper says one favourite
ShiftYa
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Shea Magill has a booming kick out to match any in the country but conceding 4 goal on your debut was a bad luck although don’t think he was at fault for 3 of them.
To paraphrase Wolly Jim McGuinness has figured out that an empty goals is easy to score into. Clear that Donegal worked on exploiting keepers off their lines and you can bet all the top teams around the country will start focusing on trying to emulate similar tactics in training this week.
The provincials are pretty much dead so you can't really make a correlation between the two.
Derry didn't set out to lose today but they'll not lose too much sleep over this - nice rest and will be well prepped for AI series.
Ulster has become a scrap for silverware for counties that won't win Sam like ourselves. We have serious work to do to even beat the likes of Donegal with a full team. We're nowhere near an AI and I don't think Derry will win it. The AI is not wide open IMO - It's Dublin or Kerry - more than likely Dublin.
William Of Orange
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Sligo were very unlucky not to beat Galway yesterday by all accounts , that would of thrown a spanner in the works for the All Ireland series with Westmeath being put into the Tommy Murphy Tailteann Cup.
William Of Orange
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Seen an interesting stat yesterday (well probably only to a nerd like me) , Cavan are the only team in Ulster that have beaten every other county in a provincal final .
ragingbull
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Armagh have never beaten Monaghan in a Ulster final last time played each other in final was 1938
Peter grimes
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No doubt the McGeeney apologists will try to make excuses for that as well.
Peter grimes
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Nowhere specific to post this but I have recently started reading GAABoard. I have also, even more recently, stopped reading GAABoard. Not only is it poisonous but it seems loaded with posts from the guys behind the board (under the name Seafoid) that are either inane (but stop a discussion topic running out of steam) or incendiary (to stop a discussion topic running out of steam).
I am either too old for this lark or not good enough at it.
Post above is probably both “inane” and “incendiary” but I was pitching at “funny”
I am either too old for this lark or not good enough at it.
Post above is probably both “inane” and “incendiary” but I was pitching at “funny”
William Of Orange
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Done us up in the League final in 85 as well , Easter Sunday , I was only a wee un but still scarred in my first Croke Park outing .
William Of Orange
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thats tame compared to some of the stuff you see on Twitter and ths likes example below
PatMustard
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Are you me?
Donegal have the best set of forwards in the country to score 23 against Derry with McBrearty not even starting. Can't read anything else into it.
It looked like Derry started to try go for goals after the 2nd went in, even though they had a lot minutes left and were definitely getting opportunities to tick over some points to slowly drag themselves back into it. They dropped a serious amount of balls short trying to target patton and wasted a lot of time working the ball in rather than taking the point from slightly further out. I seen someone say they missed 16 scoring chances of their own, crazy stuff. How comes we never get luck like that
On Rafferty's potential return, from a practical side it's simply getting a bit late to throw him back in when he's been out of action for so long and it would give other teams the opportunity to target him. I don't think anything really happened yesterday that would change the tactic though, as the problem yesterday was that Derry's half backs were ball watching and didn't track runners. That's a problem for a kickout press even if Lynch is stood on his line. They had went man to man but were statues once the ball was in the air, allowing Donegal men to get a yard ahead for the breaking ball, and it was open season once they won it because Derry full backs were naively sticking to their men.
I wonder if this should change how we look at the league final. Our game plan (ignoring the tepid execution of any plans we had to attack) was generally to not press too high and to sit a bit deeper, which avoided Donegal hitting us with those long kickouts. We didn't give them many goal chances that day in fairness, perhaps if we were a bit better going forward it would have been seen as good tactical planning by our management.
It looked like Derry started to try go for goals after the 2nd went in, even though they had a lot minutes left and were definitely getting opportunities to tick over some points to slowly drag themselves back into it. They dropped a serious amount of balls short trying to target patton and wasted a lot of time working the ball in rather than taking the point from slightly further out. I seen someone say they missed 16 scoring chances of their own, crazy stuff. How comes we never get luck like that
On Rafferty's potential return, from a practical side it's simply getting a bit late to throw him back in when he's been out of action for so long and it would give other teams the opportunity to target him. I don't think anything really happened yesterday that would change the tactic though, as the problem yesterday was that Derry's half backs were ball watching and didn't track runners. That's a problem for a kickout press even if Lynch is stood on his line. They had went man to man but were statues once the ball was in the air, allowing Donegal men to get a yard ahead for the breaking ball, and it was open season once they won it because Derry full backs were naively sticking to their men.
I wonder if this should change how we look at the league final. Our game plan (ignoring the tepid execution of any plans we had to attack) was generally to not press too high and to sit a bit deeper, which avoided Donegal hitting us with those long kickouts. We didn't give them many goal chances that day in fairness, perhaps if we were a bit better going forward it would have been seen as good tactical planning by our management.
I post there. I agree with what you’re saying but there are good knowledgeable posters also
ragingbull
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Philly McMahon has already decided to give Mattie Donnelly MOTM just for that tackle
With so many of the so called drop teams losing or winning closer games than expected ie, Kerry, Derry, Galway it makes me think are they holding back or timing there peak for the all Ireland groups as there are loads more matches now so maybe they don't see the provisional games as big as they once where. It's hard to know. I'd still expect Derry to go further than Donegal on the all Ireland
ArmaghMartin
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Tyrone putting down a marker here.
Armaghball
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Anyone else think Donegal looked on another level to these 2 fitness wise?
Armaghball
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Donnelly hit in the chest and holds his face. Tyrone will never change