Ulster Championship 2024

G

GAAMAD

Active Member
On next weekends big game i am fearful that we are going to set up and match Donegal are be edged out of another cagey affair. Our records in these types of games speak for themselves.

Wouldn't it be great for Armagh to come up with something a little different for this game - I think McGuinness has the edge over McGeeney playing to that cautious approach
 
R

Rory Curran

New Member
GAAMAD said:
On next weekends big game i am fearful that we are going to set up and match Donegal are be edged out of another cagey affair. Our records in these types of games speak for themselves.

Wouldn't it be great for Armagh to come up with something a little different for this game - I think McGuinness has the edge over McGeeney playing to that cautious approach
Click to expand...
It will he interesting to see the how Armagh set up for this. Donegal kicked over Armaghs defensive screen in Croke Park as MgGuiness realised how deep Armagh sit back. I think we will be too afraid of the Patton kickout to press their kickouts so will probably be inviting then on. However we will need to watch out for the long range scores that they kicked in the league final.
 
JoeH

JoeH

Well-Known Member
Rory Curran said:
It will he interesting to see the how Armagh set up for this. Donegal kicked over Armaghs defensive screen in Croke Park as MgGuiness realised how deep Armagh sit back. I think we will be too afraid of the Patton kickout to press their kickouts so will probably be inviting then on. However we will need to watch out for the long range scores that they kicked in the league final.
Click to expand...
All true

But we didnt take two goal opportunities which would have pushed us on

This will not be a spectacle
A game of chess more than likely
 
R

Rory Curran

New Member
JoeH said:
All true

But we didnt take two goal opportunities which would have pushed us on

This will not be a spectacle
A game of chess more than likely
Click to expand...
Agreed. It is unlikely to be a classic.I hope we will play on the front foot for periods of the game and not just react and try and counter Donegal. This approach I think would result in a defeat. If we can get the balance correct between defense and attack then I think we will be there abouts in the last 10 minutes. In our advantage is the fact we owe them for the league final and we have the experience and learnings of last year's final. We also have six forwards with a point to prove after a poor showing against Down.
 
B

BananaMan

Active Member
Seems to be a few people trying to convince themselves and convince others that there will be a much reduced crowd at the Ulster Final.
A few in the noisy minority "I'm not going to watch that $h1te" and think they will have a band of followers joining them.

The place will be packed as usual, with Armagh and Donegal fans alike, the season ticket sections are nearly all away, there'll be casuals, there'll be bandwagoners, there'll be neutrals and big wigs....just like every year.
Pubs will be packed, streets will be packed and it'll be a nightmare getting out of Clones... as usual.
 
B

BananaMan

Active Member
GAAMAD said:
On next weekends big game i am fearful that we are going to set up and match Donegal are be edged out of another cagey affair. Our records in these types of games speak for themselves.

Wouldn't it be great for Armagh to come up with something a little different for this game - I think McGuinness has the edge over McGeeney playing to that cautious approach
Click to expand...
This "cautious approach" you talk about is essentially the playing style of intercounty football now. Dublin and Kerry are still the heavyweights as has historically been the case and will find ways to deal with it, but just about everybody else plays the way we do.

Do Armagh fans really think we are doing something completely different to the majority of the country?
 
A

Armaghball

Well-Known Member
BananaMan said:
This "cautious approach" you talk about is essentially the playing style of intercounty football now. Dublin and Kerry are still the heavyweights as has historically been the case and will find ways to deal with it, but just about everybody else plays the way we do.

Do Armagh fans really think we are doing something completely different to the majority of the country?
Click to expand...
The Cavan vs Tyrone, Donegal vs Tyrone and Donegal vs Derry games weren’t as shite to watch. That style of play doesn’t suit the players we have, we thrive in chaos and fast paced football imo.
 
R

Rory Curran

New Member
BananaMan said:
This "cautious approach" you talk about is essentially the playing style of intercounty football now. Dublin and Kerry are still the heavyweights as has historically been the case and will find ways to deal with it, but just about everybody else plays the way we do.

Do Armagh fans really think we are doing something completely different to the majority of the country?
Click to expand...
You said Dublin and Kerry will 'find ways to deal with it' can we not do likewise and if not why not?
 
H

Hoops

Active Member
BananaMan said:
This "cautious approach" you talk about is essentially the playing style of intercounty football now. Dublin and Kerry are still the heavyweights as has historically been the case and will find ways to deal with it, but just about everybody else plays the way we do.

Do Armagh fans really think we are doing something completely different to the majority of the country?
Click to expand...
The seriousness of this narrative is shown by the calls to ‘play on the front foot” disappearing after games where nothing about our style or game plan changed but our forwards happened to score more. If we kick a load of wides or are wasteful going forward next Sunday, expect to see claims that were set up too defensively, regardless of what our plan actually is.

Dublin and Kerry have quality forwards who punish teams even if they don’t get many chances. The whole tactic of passing it around until you get a shooter in position to take a high percentage shot was a hallmark of Gavins era. It’s a total fallacy to think they play some traditional brand of football that’s different to everyone else, they just do it better than the rest.
 
W

Wide ball

Well-Known Member
GAAMAD said:
Very interesting take on it and I think its great that such a tactical grinding game excites you - each to their own i guess.
I can see where you are coming from (a little), but for me its the wasted potential which really annoys me.
I don't think we needed to match Down and Monaghan last year - if we push out and go at them we cause them alot more problems that this cautious approach.
I just feel we are leaving a lot to chance
Click to expand...
I agree, nobody complained at us going defensively against Kerry and to a certain point Derry last year, doing that against strong teams for a period is completely understandable, it's doing it against an aging Monaghan team who we beat with a weaker squad earlier in the year and then going so slow against a division 3 down team, I think we have the players to batter down and Monaghan and teams of that level,
 
W

Wide ball

Well-Known Member
Hoops said:
The seriousness of this narrative is shown by the calls to ‘play on the front foot” disappearing after games where nothing about our style or game plan changed but our forwards happened to score more. If we kick a load of wides or are wasteful going forward next Sunday, expect to see claims that were set up too defensively, regardless of what our plan actually is.

Dublin and Kerry have quality forwards who punish teams even if they don’t get many chances. The whole tactic of passing it around until you get a shooter in position to take a high percentage shot was a hallmark of Gavins era. It’s a total fallacy to think they play some traditional brand of football that’s different to everyone else, they just do it better than the rest.
Click to expand...
I'd argue Kerry and Dublin play to their strengths and Armagh don't, Armagh have arguably the 3rd best forward line in the country and play defensively, Kerry and Dublin also have alot more confidence in their plan going forward and in their 'style' than us, I personally think Dublin and Kerry think about what they are going to do first and worry about the opposition second where I'd argue every other team is the other way around
 
A

Armaghball

Well-Known Member
Wide ball said:
I agree, nobody complained at us going defensively against Kerry and to a certain point Derry last year, doing that against strong teams for a period is completely understandable, it's doing it against an aging Monaghan team who we beat with a weaker squad earlier in the year and then going so slow against a division 3 down team, I think we have the players to batter down and Monaghan and teams of that level,
Click to expand...
Fair few did complain and I was probably one of them especially vs Kerry if we’d been just a little bit less defensive that game was there to be won.
 
N

niall1980

Well-Known Member
Armaghball said:
The Cavan vs Tyrone, Donegal vs Tyrone and Donegal vs Derry games weren’t as shite to watch. That style of play doesn’t suit the players we have, we thrive in chaos and fast paced football imo.
Click to expand...
Tyrone and Cavan was poor enough u too the hampsey black card
 
William Of Orange

William Of Orange

Well-Known Member
Mayo V Galway a proper game of football , personal battles , turnovers , mix of different plays , counterattacking, fielding, hands on the opponents , everything you want in a provincial final , if we got at it like them I’d be happy enough no matter the result , but I think we would win .
 
Armaghniac

Armaghniac

Well-Known Member
William Of Orange said:
Mayo V Galway a proper game of football , personal battles , turnovers , mix of different plays , counterattacking, fielding, hands on the opponents , everything you want in a provincial final , if we got at it like them I’d be happy enough no matter the result , but I think we would win .
Click to expand...
I can see Armagh being like Mayo, two points ahead at 70 mins but still losing.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top