Ulster Senior Football Championship 2020

Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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ShiftYa said:
Why are we behind in conditioning? What recourses does Donegal have that wouldn't be available in Armagh or we couldn't bring in?
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Dickyknees

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JoeH said:
Can anyone say what mcentees have done at club management level when they had to manage teams outside their club?
Donegal are a serious division one team and that's where you need to be to get better. Armagh punished by mistakes that you get away with in div 2
Armagh made mistakes in the first half - losing the ball in the tackle, not killing the ball when attacking and got punished

And if this split club season happens its going to get worse
The better players need to train and play at that level not be coached by club managers who are paid per session and want to win
We need faster players, we need stronger players because like it or not the stronger teams will only get stronger as their strength and conditioning gets better and better.
Players need to train at county level - yes play club games - but if we kid ourselves in thinking that county training is unnecessary Div 3 will be beckoning
We need strong minor and U20 teams coming through otherwise the conveyor belt stops.
I do think the covid incident has quite clearly took its toll on that squad
On 1st January promotion was the goal
It's been achieved in v difficult circumstances
Let's look forward and hopefully we will be allowed to attend games next year
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John took clontiberet to the ulster club semi final beating a cross in the quarters. He also beat a strong Scottstown team in the Monaghan final.
 
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Eireogatron

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I wouldnt say it's necessarily just down to conditioning, Donegal have some absolutely huge men. Murphy, McGee, thompson, McFadden etc. Even their smaller players are naturally stocky/powerful (yes, I know their conditioning is great but its aided by the raw material). Align this to great experience and more importantly brilliant footballers like ban Gallagher, mc hugh mcbrearty off the bench, gallen etc and you've what I consider and have considered for the past 2 years to be a genuine contender to match the dubs.

We simply don't have the players to compete with them, that's the high and low of it for me.
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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Eireogatron said:
I wouldnt say it's necessarily just down to conditioning, Donegal have some absolutely huge men. Murphy, McGee, thompson, McFadden etc. Even their smaller players are naturally stocky/powerful (yes, I know their conditioning is great but its aided by the raw material). Align this to great experience and more importantly brilliant footballers like ban Gallagher, mc hugh mcbrearty off the bench, gallen etc and you've what I consider and have considered for the past 2 years to be a genuine contender to match the dubs.

We simply don't have the players to compete with them, that's the high and low of it for me.
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That is only part of the battle. Tyrone never really had a physical presence or big players but still run teams close. Our mentality needs to change more than anything and I find it unsettling how all over the place it is at the moment. Defeats like the one today are going to reinforce the idea we are not good enough. I am sure most people have read McConville's autobiography and how sick Kernan got of losing and one day he said we aren't going to lose again (obviously teams are going to lose) but it shifted their mentality. Another example is Kerry, you play football on the county team you are expected to win an All Ireland. Our mentality, the one that McGeeney had in his playing days is nothing but a distant a memory and this team doesn't have anything close to what we had in the 00's.
 
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Peter grimes

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Rufus T Firefly said:
I’m afraid that game played out as I expected. I stated after we got clipped by Roscommon at home that the reality is that they were just better than us. Donegal are two or three steps above that Roscommon side and in my mind are a top four side.

Analyse it all you want, and criticise McGeeney all you want. Donegal are simply a vastly superior team and that was evident across the pitch in terms of tackling, movement, kick outs, shooting, handling. Bemoaning tactics and team selection is simply to give off that the deckchairs weren't being moved around on the Titanic. The ship was going down anyway.

And seeing I'm on my own patch here, can just say that the only thing worse than getting a mauling is where you get a mauling and the ref gives you feck all.

A very painful watch.
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Yes and no.

it’s possible that no matter who prepared that armagh team and however they were set up that they would have lost to that Donegal team. Very possible. But that is not the same as saying that Armagh were prepared as well as they could have been or set up as well as they could have been.

I wasn’t hopeful today. And therefore not shocked by the result. That is not to say we can write off the game and the performance. The performance was, in almost every respect, shocking.

Whatever we do next we do have to learn.

I also disagree with you on the ref. Saw a couple of baffling decisions that went against us in a row and thought Murphy should have been booked in first half. Otherwise our problems with the ref were they same as they were most days ie more of an “us” problem and less of a “ref” problem
 
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Peter grimes

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niall1980 said:
Don’t know why people are using the 2014 game as a stick to beat us with. That team had McEvoy in goals. Vernon. Donaghy. Mallon. Moriarty and A Kernan in defence. We were a lot better then. Donegal are a lot better now than they were then
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I genuinely think the players available today were in the whole better than then
 
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niall1980

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Peter grimes said:
Yes and no.

it’s possible that no matter who prepared that armagh team and however they were set up that they would have lost to that Donegal team. Very possible. But that is not the same as saying that Armagh were prepared as well as they could have been or set up as well as they could have been.

I wasn’t hopeful today. And therefore not shocked by the result. That is not to say we can write off the game and the performance. The performance was, in almost every respect, shocking.

Whatever we do next we do have to learn.

I also disagree with you on the ref. Saw a couple of baffling decisions that went against us in a row and thought Murphy should have been booked in first half. Otherwise our problems with the ref were they same as they were most days ie more of an “us” problem and less of a “ref” problem
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On the ref. First he didn’t cost us. However it wasn’t any decisions he gave against us that annoyed me. More ones he didn’t give in our favour. Murphy should have been black carded I thought. He didn’t okay the advantage at the start of the second half. Sheridan was being tackled round the neck and got nothing for it. Donegal defenders got away with a lot more. But like I said , he made no difference to the result.
 
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Peter grimes

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niall1980 said:
On the ref. First he didn’t cost us. However it wasn’t any decisions he gave against us that annoyed me. More ones he didn’t give in our favour. Murphy should have been black carded I thought. He didn’t okay the advantage at the start of the second half. Sheridan was being tackled round the neck and got nothing for it. Donegal defenders got away with a lot more. But like I said , he made no difference to the result.
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What was the black card offence? I didn’t spot it
 
Armagh_paul

Armagh_paul

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niall1980 said:
It looked to me like he pulled one of our defenders to the ground in and around the 17th minute. Could have been Forker
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I don't think there was much in it tbh - but only seen it once. Murphy got a little push in the back in the second half and he fell to the ground like he was hit by a train.
 
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