Ulster Senior Football Championship 2020

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Throwball

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Throwball said:
I agree with much if that. I would say though that Cavan have won plenty of Ulster under 21 titles in the last 10 years but are not miles ahead of us. I think Monaghan have only won one and I have to be convinced how far ahead of us they are.

I will add that Tyrone won the All Ireland under 21 title in 2015. At the equivalent age at minor Armagh beat them. At under 21 Tyrone beat Armagh in Breffni when the starting Armagh team was strange - I seem to remember those on senior squad didnt start. Without checking back that squad included players like Grimley, Rafferty, Jack Grugan , O'Hanlon, maybe Comiskey. Circumstances have conspired that all these have not been available.

I would be of the opinion though that in a county the size of Armagh you will only have a top underage team occasionally. The key is to bring the average player standard up and get a couple of better players to progress each year.
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I had a look back in archives and the under 21 team that played Tyrone had Grimley, McKay and Sean Connell from senior team in subs. Starters included Blaine Hughes, McCabe, Rafferty, Comiskey, O'Hanlon, Heffron, Conor Mackin, Mini McShane, Aidan Nugent and Cathal McKenna.
 
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Manjet

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The most important thing is to get it right at U14 level whether it be development squad or whatever but whenever club coaches are ignored and “the school” decide where will be. Surely for the benefit of Armagh football we need to go back to the clubs -we will never have success until we get this right but our development officer hasn’t a clue - never had and never will have

prime example St Pats Armagh have mostly tyrone people managing the teams they don’t really care about Armagh football why round they -so why would we take their word rather that our hard working club coaches who surely know these players better and what their strengths and weaknesses are

When I phoned our development officer I wad told that unless one of my players was playing school football he wouldn’t be good enough to be on the development squad
 
JoeH

JoeH

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Manjet said:
The most important thing is to get it right at U14 level whether it be development squad or whatever but whenever club coaches are ignored and “the school” decide where will be. Surely for the benefit of Armagh football we need to go back to the clubs -we will never have success until we get this right but our development officer hasn’t a clue - never had and never will have

prime example St Pats Armagh have mostly tyrone people managing the teams they don’t really care about Armagh football why round they -so why would we take their word rather that our hard working club coaches who surely know these players better and what their strengths and weaknesses are

When I phoned our development officer I wad told that unless one of my players was playing school football he wouldn’t be good enough to be on the development squad
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Development officer - are you referring to coaching officer?

Would it not make sense that if someone can't make the school team then they're not going to make other squads unless there's been a big fall out at school?
Would you not consider schools as being a good bench mark for players?
 
ShiftYa

ShiftYa

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JoeH said:
Development officer - are you referring to coaching officer?

Would it not make sense that if someone can't make the school team then they're not going to make other squads unless there's been a big fall out at school?
Would you not consider schools as being a good bench mark for players?
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I believe its Games Development Manager going by Armagh's 2020 Fixtures and information booklet.
 
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gael_force_orchard

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It honestly feels like the same conversations were being had 10 years ago in the county that are being had now. The schools structures, the club structures, development squads. As a county we havent learned. I honestly think that the underage structures in the clubs need to go back to basics and they need to hammer home and coach the basics of the game constantly until skills are embedded, catch, kick, solo, tackle and repeat. We also need an honest debate on development squads. I dont even need one hand to count the number of "underage next big things" that have genuinely deceloped into top class talents in our county, so more needs to be done to ensure the late developers and unpolished players with potential are given a chance. Development squads likely have a place in the county yes, but more merit and value would be in additional coaches for the clubs at underage level. The problem is money talks. And to employ 10 full time coaches to visit clubs and schools on a full time basis is going to take the guts of 300k per annum. I dont think that money is there, especially when we are trying to develop a county training facility. Peoples pockets are only so deep and money talks when it comes to success in GAA.
 
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Manjet

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Whatever the title it’s still the same issue. A lot of lads don’t want to play school football but will continuously play for their club but these kids no matter how good they are and they are being ignored by the system we have in place
 
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Armaghball

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Manjet said:
Whatever the title it’s still the same issue. A lot of lads don’t want to play school football but will continuously play for their club but these kids no matter how good they are and they are being ignored by the system we have in place
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Would agree with this. Personally never gave a shite about school football and a lot of the lads I grew up with didnt either. Same lads would run through a wall for their club though.
 
ragingbull

ragingbull

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PatMustard said:
If McGeeney was going to go, he’d have done so by now.

It’s near the end of November. If the NFL starts beginning of February, that’s 2 months preparation. Is a new manager going to achieve any more next season that McGeeney would?

So it looks like he’s staying on for 2021. So let’s stop the “McGeeney out” talk. He’s got the team promoted to Division 1 and he deserves a chance to manage there.
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More chance of Ireland scoring a goal than McGeeney going ;)
 
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Suil eile.

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One for the history buffs. BBC NI doing a piece tomorrow on the ulster final coverage with a 91 year old former player who played on the 1950 and 53 winning team . Who is it?
 
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