Please anyone but him
Ulster Senior Football Championship 2021
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Please anyone but him
portadownarmaghfan
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One wee thing I noticed at the end of the game. In the immediate aftermath of the final whistle, 3 Monaghan players surrounded Aidan Forker, screaming in his face and waving their fists at him. He immediately stuck his hand out to shake hands. A touch of class from a player who has developed and matured into an outstanding player in recent years.
ragingbull
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Marsden hes done amazing things with the clans
PatMustard
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Didn’t see that. What was that about? And who were the players?
PatMustard
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What about Kieran Hughes?
William Of Orange
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Yesterday was a strange game for me because although we were 8 points down I never felt that we were out of the game and it was going to come down to the last 5 minutes. The same problem that we have had this year in the Donegal match resurfaced again yesterday , we don’t have a winning mentality and we have a lack of leadership when we get into the championship minutes .Donegal have McBreaty and Murphy Monaghan have McManus our young lads need to step up and show leadership on the last 5 minutes that’s where the big games are won and lost . Our guys especially the two ONeills need to get the ball , demand it , management should have all these scenarios put in place ,I don’t think we ever look confident in tight games against the stronger teams . The question to be asked is McGeeney the right man to take a talented bunch of players onto the next level. Who could succeed him?.No names are jumping out for me . Maybe we could go outside the county Kieran Donaghy has a year under him with Armagh , could he be the person who could bring us to the next level . Maybe in a normal couple of years we would have had a good run in the qualifiers but we will never know . Anyway let’s hope we get a normal year for football next year and we can really assess where this team is .
Armagh_paul
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I still feel gutted about yesterday I don't think I have been this down about being defeated in such a way in a while.
Monaghan have as many issues with their team as we do but the difference is they are rebuilding. We were getting beat well by a team who is going through transition. Perhaps the death of the young lad acted as the catalyst for Monaghan to perform. I have read the counter arguments to my past posts but I can't bring myself to watch that game again yet.
I do think we need a change in management but like others have pointed out who? McGeeney has built a great attacking unit but we seriously need to look at the defence. We probably have another two or three years with this group of players and some of them will be gone. The least they deserve is an Ulster final win.
Monaghan have as many issues with their team as we do but the difference is they are rebuilding. We were getting beat well by a team who is going through transition. Perhaps the death of the young lad acted as the catalyst for Monaghan to perform. I have read the counter arguments to my past posts but I can't bring myself to watch that game again yet.
I do think we need a change in management but like others have pointed out who? McGeeney has built a great attacking unit but we seriously need to look at the defence. We probably have another two or three years with this group of players and some of them will be gone. The least they deserve is an Ulster final win.
PatMustard
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McGeeney is manager. It’s a waste of time talking of a successor while he’s still on the sideline.
Armagh_paul
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Technically he isn't as he no longer has a contract. Assuming he was only given the year extension.
SaintSeamy
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Such a daft thing to say. Let's never talk about the future because somebody is in situ.
gael_force_orchard
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The players will have a big say in it all. If they like playing for him and he wants another year, he will get another year.
Armagh_paul
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Tyrone have went back to their old ways. Murphy summoning his inner Rashford
gael_force_orchard
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McGeary is a diving ******* but yep that was a booking. Donegal up against it now.
But the referee considered his 2 challenges worse than McKernan on McGee!
gael_force_orchard
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Mc Quillan is a balloon. One of the worst referees in the game.
ragingbull
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the donegal pen wasn't a pen,murphy was rightly sent off tyrone players got under his skin & he lost his cool
PutTheHighBallInLow
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Half time in the qualifiers 2001, no dream, he was getting a bit of flak from a few supporters as they emerged from the changing room.
Was going to jump the barrier to get at them,
Hard to know where to start. A few things first though .
Ulster council have a few questions to answer. The stewarding was appalling. People were not shown to their allotted sections hence the 2 to 3 thousand on the terrace side giving those and there are plenty , a big stick to beat us with . Pitch in poor shape. Only one shop . Little water available . Stand practically empty while those of those in red haired bracket were toasted. I came home like a torch at a UDR checkpoint . I could have stopped the traffic.
As for the match , once again we left it behind us. Tomas O Sé in one of his quotes said “Armagh have a Division 1 forward line and midfield but a third and fourth division defence”. Probably a bit simplistic but hard to argue with at half time although lack of tracking from a midfielder certainly cost the fourth goal. Pushing up on the kick out and crowding midfield is a risky strategy and so it proved. We couldn’t cope with the space left up front for Monaghan.
Gone are the days of one on one . Our sweeper pushed up to far and leaving huge gaps. He was caught in no mans land and hence easy scores for Monaghan not only the goals. We were at sixes and sevens and comparisons with last years route by Donegal were clearly evident. Tough on Aaron McKay , ruthlessly exposes by both dummies and lack of cover.
Where we differed from the breffni debacle last year was in the fact that we had a properly functioning and extremely efficient forward division. Even after a shocking first half you that the gut feeling that this isn’t over yet . A goal if only we could get a goal. The third quarter gave us little hope and then it all came together for the next 15 mins. I felt though that we had hit the front to early and Monaghan were bound to respond and so they did . The breaks that went with us started to go against . Poor execution of the pass and equally poor decision making cost us dear. We had just won the lotto but found we had burnt the ticket . Last years defeat was easier to take. Yesterday was gut wrenching . Did Kieran wait to long to change tact and bring on Forker . Yes I think he did . Should he remain . Yes . As someone pointed out Grugan Morgan Murnan Campbell Forker are all the same year . They still have a year or two. As Bcb says Joe took over and won an All-Ireland however it takes players a few years to progress to becoming a competent inter county player. Very few one year wonders about now. Joe inherited a team already there. We do not have that at the moment.
Having said that I can see both sides of the argument . At the moment next year seems a long long time away. The squad will differ this time next year. Some may well leave Whatever their decision I wish them the best. A disappointing end to a promising year. Since our last final in 2008 every other county in Ulster has appeared in a provincial decider . Our wait continues.
It’s not the defeat that kills you it’s the hope.
Ulster council have a few questions to answer. The stewarding was appalling. People were not shown to their allotted sections hence the 2 to 3 thousand on the terrace side giving those and there are plenty , a big stick to beat us with . Pitch in poor shape. Only one shop . Little water available . Stand practically empty while those of those in red haired bracket were toasted. I came home like a torch at a UDR checkpoint . I could have stopped the traffic.
As for the match , once again we left it behind us. Tomas O Sé in one of his quotes said “Armagh have a Division 1 forward line and midfield but a third and fourth division defence”. Probably a bit simplistic but hard to argue with at half time although lack of tracking from a midfielder certainly cost the fourth goal. Pushing up on the kick out and crowding midfield is a risky strategy and so it proved. We couldn’t cope with the space left up front for Monaghan.
Gone are the days of one on one . Our sweeper pushed up to far and leaving huge gaps. He was caught in no mans land and hence easy scores for Monaghan not only the goals. We were at sixes and sevens and comparisons with last years route by Donegal were clearly evident. Tough on Aaron McKay , ruthlessly exposes by both dummies and lack of cover.
Where we differed from the breffni debacle last year was in the fact that we had a properly functioning and extremely efficient forward division. Even after a shocking first half you that the gut feeling that this isn’t over yet . A goal if only we could get a goal. The third quarter gave us little hope and then it all came together for the next 15 mins. I felt though that we had hit the front to early and Monaghan were bound to respond and so they did . The breaks that went with us started to go against . Poor execution of the pass and equally poor decision making cost us dear. We had just won the lotto but found we had burnt the ticket . Last years defeat was easier to take. Yesterday was gut wrenching . Did Kieran wait to long to change tact and bring on Forker . Yes I think he did . Should he remain . Yes . As someone pointed out Grugan Morgan Murnan Campbell Forker are all the same year . They still have a year or two. As Bcb says Joe took over and won an All-Ireland however it takes players a few years to progress to becoming a competent inter county player. Very few one year wonders about now. Joe inherited a team already there. We do not have that at the moment.
Having said that I can see both sides of the argument . At the moment next year seems a long long time away. The squad will differ this time next year. Some may well leave Whatever their decision I wish them the best. A disappointing end to a promising year. Since our last final in 2008 every other county in Ulster has appeared in a provincial decider . Our wait continues.
It’s not the defeat that kills you it’s the hope.
Armagh_paul
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Useless referees ruining games as usual