ragingbull
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The forwards cost them in the end after Armagh went 2 up went defencive & the forwards kept giving the ball away in good scoring positions, playing out a game when only 2 points up is pathetic
Ulster Senior Football Championship 2021
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Armaghball
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Usual clowns yapping about Geezer
That will go down as best game of the year.
Rian, Turbitt, Kelly all stood up. Forker was good and then 2 brain farts cost us, same with Soupy.
An anyway decent defence and we win that today.
That will go down as best game of the year.
Rian, Turbitt, Kelly all stood up. Forker was good and then 2 brain farts cost us, same with Soupy.
An anyway decent defence and we win that today.
It just seems programmed into the lads to retreat into a defensive strategy when we get our noses in front. Monaghan were just waiting on the killer blow and we retreated.
Armagh_paul
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McGeeney's inability to read the game meant Armagh had to work three times as hard to get back into meaning we were dead on our feet in the last couple of minutes. The tactics used in the first 20 odd minutes left the defence exposed and McGeeney was on the sideline telling players to push up on Beggan's kick outs. In 3o minutes of first half football where we are supposed to be fresh we conceded FOUR goals. This is unforgiveable at this level, I would have preferred Beggan to kick short and make them work hard for their scores rather than let them walk through our defence and score at will.
We have had 7 years of McGeeney who may well have got us to division one but ultimately he has done nothing when it comes to championship football. The players played themselves into the ground and yes they made mistakes but they were tired because they were chasing the game due to the the faults on the sideline. I feel we left that game behind us and rather than being in an Ulster final for the first time in 10+ years we are back to having the same arguments we always do year after year.
We have had 7 years of McGeeney who may well have got us to division one but ultimately he has done nothing when it comes to championship football. The players played themselves into the ground and yes they made mistakes but they were tired because they were chasing the game due to the the faults on the sideline. I feel we left that game behind us and rather than being in an Ulster final for the first time in 10+ years we are back to having the same arguments we always do year after year.
Armagh_paul
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They were chasing a big lead down for most of the game and were probably dead on their feet. I wouldn't point the blame at them
Geezer. Fanatic. Armagh legend. No doubt giving everything to make this work.
But it isn’t working.
Only 3 Ulster championship win in 7 years. Against Down (after ET), Derry (division 3) and Antrim (division 4) - no big guns.
At the same time there has been seven defeats and the continuation of pretty much our worst run of Ulster championship form in history. Only once previously in well over 100 years have we gone this long without winning 2 Ulster championship games in a row.
Only Antrim and Derry have been less successful than us in Ulster over the course of McGeeney’s tenure. This form is not normal, not something you just accept.
Loyalty counts for a lot in the GAA, but there comes a time to question whether you’re getting the best out of what you have. You owe the players that. Management simple do not have the track record to justify continuation.
Emotions are mixed. Hope from the comeback but despair from not being able to see it out when we did the near impossible of getting back into it. The loose passes at the end killed us. No need to make them. Thought the frees were soft but after all these years no one seems to be able to coach the players to tackle without fouling. We need a fresh approach.
Geezer is not responsible for that whole run
He’s responsible for the last seven years and in that time only two other counties have a worse record in Ulster. To decide to continue under that record is to put sentimentality over logic. No one in Armagh football aspires to be the 7th best team in Ulster.
ragingbull
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It's ashame there's no back door again the year
Good job Armagh aren’t the 7th best team in ulster then
CEMan
Member
Disappointed in how the final 5 + extra were played. Monaghan there for the taking.
Not good enough to defend and see out a game, needed to be going for the jugular and keeping Monaghan, who were dead on their feet, pushed back.
Brilliant to see 2 club men contribute so much to the comeback, Turb goal was fantastic, from the pass in to the bravery going for it.
TK seems to score every time he comes on.
RoN exceptional. Becoming as important as MM is to DnG
Just not to be though
Not good enough to defend and see out a game, needed to be going for the jugular and keeping Monaghan, who were dead on their feet, pushed back.
Brilliant to see 2 club men contribute so much to the comeback, Turb goal was fantastic, from the pass in to the bravery going for it.
TK seems to score every time he comes on.
RoN exceptional. Becoming as important as MM is to DnG
Just not to be though
Who can we say we have we been better than?
Monaghan, Donegal, Tyrone, and Cavan have won Ulster titles during McGeeney’s reign. Fermanagh at least made a final 3 years ago, Down too 4 years ago.
We’ve been short of all of those. Only the orange tinted glasses would have anyone thinking otherwise.
A few league wins is really all the current management has in their credit. It’s not enough.
Ard Mhacha 13
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Absolutely gutted so can only imagine how Geezer & the boys are feeling, it was completely gone, then it was there & then it was gone again 
Can't bring myself to say much more at the minute, too raw, but at least I can rest easy in knowing that the same forum members who only ever post after a defeat will keep the thread running for the rest of the night, great stuff lads, good to have you back again. I would say you've been sorely missed but that would be a blatant lie.
Thanks to the boys for giving your all today in weather I struggled in as a spectator!! unfortunately it just wasn't enough
Can't bring myself to say much more at the minute, too raw, but at least I can rest easy in knowing that the same forum members who only ever post after a defeat will keep the thread running for the rest of the night, great stuff lads, good to have you back again. I would say you've been sorely missed but that would be a blatant lie.
Thanks to the boys for giving your all today in weather I struggled in as a spectator!! unfortunately it just wasn't enough
Not again!
Armagh_paul
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Oh come off it, you surely watched the first half of that game? We were worse than dire, it was appalling and it is all down the McGeeney telling players to push up on the goal kicks. It took four goals for him to realise where it was going wrong for us. Serious question, how many years will it take before people on this forum take their heads out of the sand and realise we have a limited manager when it comes to tactics? Why are we pushing up on goal kicks when there has been absolutely nothing this season or any season where he has been in charge to suggest we have a decent defence? This issue has been on going for years now and he has failed to fix it. If we had a defence we would not have conceded FOUR goals and we would be in an Ulster final.
You know what, instead of sitting here debating about McGeeney staying or going - how about we give him a 7th year in charge and when we come to this time next year we will have this same argument about our defence not working out for us or how he has managed to mess things up tactically again - just like we have for the last 5. Another year will be wasted with an incredibly talented team - which to McGeeney's credit he has done a great job putting together - well definitely not defence.
Honestly, I dont care if I ruffle peoples feathers on this forum because I am apparently one of the "Anti-McGeeney" brigade which I am not. I am being quite measured in how I criticise him, where I see the faults in the team and what patterns keep appearing. We have created this illusion for ourselves as fans that we are making progress and the league is the measure whilst in the championship we are simply crap.
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Peter grimes
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Had a long long drive after the match. Probably wise to watch game back to reach firm conclusions.
But here is what I have.
There is talent and fight in that team. Qualifiers would have been good for them but not to be.
some stuff we do just doesn’t make sense. We had a Pre-match drill which involved contact and the player without the ball actually wraps both arms around the player in possession. We practice fouls. Whilst this was happening the officials in black ( as opposed to those in white and ties) were standing to together. One actually brought at least 1 other officials attention to the drill. That can’t do us any favours.
thought we were fairly good in possession in the first half despite being tanked. We kicked a few wides but shooting was a decent option and execution whilst off was only so by fine margins. A few of the ones that dropped short were more concerning. Monaghan’s skill level was of a different at that stage.
we will probably focus on the goals conceded and the direct runs that lead to them but we should look at the points and McAnespie role also. It killed us. What our plan was and our reaction to real time events were are massive causes for concern.
How we managed to get close in this game is a mystery. Shear bloody determination is all I have to suggest. Some talk of us pushing on their kick outs. That’s not what I saw. We pulled men up from defence to crowd midfield but we only once shut down a short option. We forced Beggan to kick that one long and won the mark (which we wasted). I don’t understand what our plan was to win the game was having letting Monaghan build from the back continually. Maybe someone can explain?
the instance in the first half where we pushed up to midfield on their kick out and left 3 Monaghan attackers goal side including 1 30m goal side was one of the strangest things I have ever seen. Why did the players do that? Why didn’t management not scream an instruction? Struggling to come up with reasons for this.
Thought Monaghan had great hands. Passes and catches stuck.
Rian is a star. Turbitt has something about him.
But here is what I have.
There is talent and fight in that team. Qualifiers would have been good for them but not to be.
some stuff we do just doesn’t make sense. We had a Pre-match drill which involved contact and the player without the ball actually wraps both arms around the player in possession. We practice fouls. Whilst this was happening the officials in black ( as opposed to those in white and ties) were standing to together. One actually brought at least 1 other officials attention to the drill. That can’t do us any favours.
thought we were fairly good in possession in the first half despite being tanked. We kicked a few wides but shooting was a decent option and execution whilst off was only so by fine margins. A few of the ones that dropped short were more concerning. Monaghan’s skill level was of a different at that stage.
we will probably focus on the goals conceded and the direct runs that lead to them but we should look at the points and McAnespie role also. It killed us. What our plan was and our reaction to real time events were are massive causes for concern.
How we managed to get close in this game is a mystery. Shear bloody determination is all I have to suggest. Some talk of us pushing on their kick outs. That’s not what I saw. We pulled men up from defence to crowd midfield but we only once shut down a short option. We forced Beggan to kick that one long and won the mark (which we wasted). I don’t understand what our plan was to win the game was having letting Monaghan build from the back continually. Maybe someone can explain?
the instance in the first half where we pushed up to midfield on their kick out and left 3 Monaghan attackers goal side including 1 30m goal side was one of the strangest things I have ever seen. Why did the players do that? Why didn’t management not scream an instruction? Struggling to come up with reasons for this.
Thought Monaghan had great hands. Passes and catches stuck.
Rian is a star. Turbitt has something about him.