League 2021
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ragingbull
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C McKeever's there
Each club get a couple of tickets maybe?
Armagh_paul
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As much as I like McKeever he wouldn't have been one of the household defenders we could have got. That is no slight on McKeever.
Or perhaps McKeever has come in and not had enough time to work with the defence or we just haven't got the defenders and that's why we are using a blanket defence... Who knows.
Rufus T Firefly
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Beaten by 5 and in truth the better team won. I thought they were a more experienced and clinical team, with a greater degree of forward options and more strength in depth. For me, Tyrone showed a lot more calmness and composure at pressure moments than Armagh, which enabled them to retain possession and work positions and create scores.
In contrast, we were guilty of my old favourite - unforced errors - taking wrong options, poor passing and needlessly turning the ball over on numerous occasions that resulted in scores. I honestly felt this was due to inexperience / nervousness on the part of our players, because this was a big occasion, albeit in the league. There were a couple of key turning points - Grugan's black card followed a bizarre situation that saw the ball land between three Armagh players and they all seemed to pause and a Tyrone player went through the three of them, gathered possession, and it ended up with Grugan's foul. The penalty though was a microcosm of what I’m referring to. We were leading by a couple of points - and I hate to call out an individual player - but Soupy I felt let the occasion get to him and smashed his effort up the middle and it was blocked. It was in contrast to his penalty last week, which was tucked into the bottom corner. A goal at that stage would have left Armagh well placed.
Despite me outlining our issues, there were positives to take away from the game. After Tyrone's first goal I feared for a long night, but our lads showed commendable character to get back into the game and remained competitive against what I would consider a top five side for long periods. Hopefully the players will take encouragement from that.
We will though miss out on not getting seven matches against top opposition this year. Matches against Dublin and Kerry - even if it meant a couple of trimmings - would be an invaulable experience to help the development of the team.
Finally, we had no luck with injuries. My hope is that what happened tonight will not expose our relative lack of strength in depth going forward.
In contrast, we were guilty of my old favourite - unforced errors - taking wrong options, poor passing and needlessly turning the ball over on numerous occasions that resulted in scores. I honestly felt this was due to inexperience / nervousness on the part of our players, because this was a big occasion, albeit in the league. There were a couple of key turning points - Grugan's black card followed a bizarre situation that saw the ball land between three Armagh players and they all seemed to pause and a Tyrone player went through the three of them, gathered possession, and it ended up with Grugan's foul. The penalty though was a microcosm of what I’m referring to. We were leading by a couple of points - and I hate to call out an individual player - but Soupy I felt let the occasion get to him and smashed his effort up the middle and it was blocked. It was in contrast to his penalty last week, which was tucked into the bottom corner. A goal at that stage would have left Armagh well placed.
Despite me outlining our issues, there were positives to take away from the game. After Tyrone's first goal I feared for a long night, but our lads showed commendable character to get back into the game and remained competitive against what I would consider a top five side for long periods. Hopefully the players will take encouragement from that.
We will though miss out on not getting seven matches against top opposition this year. Matches against Dublin and Kerry - even if it meant a couple of trimmings - would be an invaulable experience to help the development of the team.
Finally, we had no luck with injuries. My hope is that what happened tonight will not expose our relative lack of strength in depth going forward.
Dickyknees
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Niall McCoy said Morgan was injured and hobbling before he went off. I saw he was down and holding his hip before he went off.
We are not that far off.
Lots of injuries disrupted our back line - but the likes of Grimley and Soupy were poor.
However- score the penalty and we probably win the game.
Still a concern about our dodgy keeper and the kick-outs.
Donaghy is 35 years of age. Asking him to run around with forwards 10–15 years younger than him just isn’t going to work. I’d say his role on the panel is more of a leadership/coach job than to actually contribute on the field
Taking several positives from this game but contrary to our quick start against Monaghan last week, we were slow to start last evening. Alarmingly, at the outset of the second-half, we were caught napping by Tyrone and saved by a correct square ball decision. The lesson was not heeded though and after the final water break Tyrone were able to waltz through our rearguard for effectively the winning score in their second goal.
So unlucky with injuries but good to see a level of strength in depth which will now be tested in coming weeks.
Our start and finish cost us on the scoreboard, trailing 1-3 to 0-1 early on coupled with our last twenty minutes or so when we were outscored 1-6 to 0-2 were concerning. Though in the remainder of the game, we registered 2-7 to 0-6 which is encouraging. Just need to eradicate those periods where we leave ourselves with too much ground to make up.
So unlucky with injuries but good to see a level of strength in depth which will now be tested in coming weeks.
Our start and finish cost us on the scoreboard, trailing 1-3 to 0-1 early on coupled with our last twenty minutes or so when we were outscored 1-6 to 0-2 were concerning. Though in the remainder of the game, we registered 2-7 to 0-6 which is encouraging. Just need to eradicate those periods where we leave ourselves with too much ground to make up.
A lot of positives to take away from last nights game and had we kept half of the starters on the field who knows what would have happened. Missed penalty was a big turning point but it wasn’t a penalty in my opinion, very soft decision. Referee ruined the flow of the game. Our kickouts are still too inconsistent. No disrespect to the keeper at all, I’m sure he’s a great lad but is there not better goalkeepers in the county? Rian O’Neill was excellent. Soupy Campbell isn’t doing enough to be in the starting 15 IMO. Jemar unfortunate to have to be taken off, he is a live wire, great to watch. Brolly was as usual very negative to Armagh but quite a lot of it was deserved to be honest. There was no evidence last night that a forwards coach of Donaghys ability is in the mix. Massive game next week, hope a few lads injuries aren’t as bad as they looked. Michael Murphy a big miss for Donegal too so you never know.
Bo Darville
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Possibly, but in that case why name him in the 26? I assumed he was there as the fall back option with his experience if we needed it. Yesterday we needed that experience in the 2nd half as injuries left us with a totally inexperienced makeshift defensive unit.
Armaghball
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Surely if Donaghy wasn’t fit to come on after we’d lost a few lads to injury we wouldnt name him on the bench?
Armaghball
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Didn’t see the game, who played well? 5 subs before half time? All injuries or some tactical?
Both goals were very well worked, the O’Neills are something else!
Going by score updates we seemed to keep with them rightly up until the last when they pulled away.
Both goals were very well worked, the O’Neills are something else!
Going by score updates we seemed to keep with them rightly up until the last when they pulled away.
pablo
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Where is Mark Shields?
Having been forced to make 5 subs in first half left us with little gas in the tank for last 10 mins or so. The type of defence we played last night saps a lot of energy and really needs a good outlet. The lads worked hard and we needed to be bringing on the fresh legs for those last 1o to 15 mins or so. Penalty miss just took the wind out of us, instead of being 4 up, we were trailing within a few minutes. Showed our naivety then by going for goal when could have worked a few more points to really keep it in the mix. Five points of a victory a bit flattering for Tyrone, but they were more composed and did the right thing at the right time.
Kennedy, Forker and Morgan (I think) all had to go due to injury. Didn't understand the Hall substitution. Worked hard and had just scored a nice point before going off. He provided an outlet for short kick outs which was important given the press from the Tyrone forwards. Thought the change may have been made as his marker (Harte) was causing a bit of damage for Tyrone and needed somebody to tag him?
Sick of the sight of wee Bradley inflicting pain on us at the AG. A midget that even in the land of the midgets, is recognized as a midget. I remember he hurt us badly in championship minor game in 2012, when we seemed to be coasting to victory.
Last night he was the runner Tyrone brought on when we were beginning to lag. Scored a goal but I went purple with rage when last night, all 3ft nothing of him claimed a mark from a long ball. And then kick was moved forward when our defender didn't move back. Feck
cailín beag88
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Any word on all our injuries from last night? If we get any more injuries before Saturday we could all start the match let alone look for tickets to match.
topoftheleft
Member
Surely it’s time somebody explained the Donaghy situation. He’s selected for the panel and is named on the bench, but never played!!!!!!
gael_force_orchard
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Last night's game was likely the right result on the balance of what was served up. From an Armagh persepective there are a couple of positives, the 2 O'Neills are as good a footballers as there are anywhere at the minute, and I think Turbitt if given a run of games has a potential about him to be a very good player. Rory Grugan has added a bit more again to his game and is a decent footballer. Campbell if relived of the captaincy may come back into a bit of form, if not then he may need to be an impact sub.
Outside of those above and potentially Aidan Forker, the rest of the Armagh squad blows hot and cold. It was no surprise to see Morgan taken off, he walks a tightrope every game and is a yellow card magnet with poor and indisciplined tackling, though this is something our backline can all guilty off. We conceded 7 points from frees last night and 2-15 in total playing with a blanket defence, so thats a poor enough performance for the system deployed. Those 7 frees though are criminal in the modern game, we cannot give teams 7 points for free per game and its bad positioning from our backs, and it extremely poor and lazy tackling. The 14 men behind the ball last night negates the detrimental impact of substitutions which had to happen in my opinion. We brought on players who have county level experience so they simply have to improve their tackling capability and not cough up so many scores. Tyrone left a few scores out there as well. With 14 men behind the ball we should also have been able to position players better to stop direct runners penetraring the spine of the pitch. So that was a concern that is still lingering.
We need to improve from restarts as well, we coughed up 4 or 5 scores from bad kickouts. We all seem to agree on this as well.
Finally our forwards need more men left up, the focal point of the attack needs help. Donaghy won ball and feed a support player for years for kerry, so I agree that there seems to be no evidence of his role in the coaching set up, quite simply we dont employ a support player, this needs looked at. Yes we need to look at opposition set up etc, but I feel that the opposition have little to do to work us out and that needs to change. Id like to see 2 players left in the full forward line and a support player just in front of them, that would also stop the opposition from pushing so high up the pitch when we are defending. Too much space presently and not enough support.
Outside of those above and potentially Aidan Forker, the rest of the Armagh squad blows hot and cold. It was no surprise to see Morgan taken off, he walks a tightrope every game and is a yellow card magnet with poor and indisciplined tackling, though this is something our backline can all guilty off. We conceded 7 points from frees last night and 2-15 in total playing with a blanket defence, so thats a poor enough performance for the system deployed. Those 7 frees though are criminal in the modern game, we cannot give teams 7 points for free per game and its bad positioning from our backs, and it extremely poor and lazy tackling. The 14 men behind the ball last night negates the detrimental impact of substitutions which had to happen in my opinion. We brought on players who have county level experience so they simply have to improve their tackling capability and not cough up so many scores. Tyrone left a few scores out there as well. With 14 men behind the ball we should also have been able to position players better to stop direct runners penetraring the spine of the pitch. So that was a concern that is still lingering.
We need to improve from restarts as well, we coughed up 4 or 5 scores from bad kickouts. We all seem to agree on this as well.
Finally our forwards need more men left up, the focal point of the attack needs help. Donaghy won ball and feed a support player for years for kerry, so I agree that there seems to be no evidence of his role in the coaching set up, quite simply we dont employ a support player, this needs looked at. Yes we need to look at opposition set up etc, but I feel that the opposition have little to do to work us out and that needs to change. Id like to see 2 players left in the full forward line and a support player just in front of them, that would also stop the opposition from pushing so high up the pitch when we are defending. Too much space presently and not enough support.
ragingbull
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GaaGo are showing games in all countries apart from dublin vs kerry game
It’s on TG4