All Ireland Qualifiers

Armagh have reached the last 8 in The All Ireland series would you rather we play in

  • The Super 8 format

    Votes: 9 22.5%
  • Knock out Quarter Final

    Votes: 31 77.5%

  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .

stevie_06

Well-Known Member
Tiernan Kelly’s ban seemed to be longer because he wasn’t part of the 26.

So by that logic, should the other non-playing members from both sides who got involved, not be banned too?

Kelly’s length of ban seems to be worse because of the high profile of the match and the public outcry from pundits/politicians/priests/postmen etc. A McKenna cup match and it would have drawn little attention, and maybe a match ban.

The suits seem to make it up as they go along
I agree if it was McKenna cup match it would have got a loss less attention. But that doesn't make it right.

Personally I feel that the ban Kelly received is fair. Acts like that don't belong in the game. And I accept similar incidents have happened in the past and went unpunished.

But two wrongs don't make a right. Don't know about anybody else but I'm tired of hearing about it.

Punishments have been issued and accepted. Time to move on from it
 

Diarmi

Well-Known Member
Interesting to see a lot of southerners disappointed with TK's ban - I think the death penalty was what they were after. Does anyone know what bans other players got for the gouging incidents of a similar nature (pics doing the rounds)? There's even suggestions that it's unfair for any Galwegians to get banned at all. Anti-Northern bias at its best if ever you wanted to see it.
I'm currently having great craic calling them out on Facebook. As per my post earlier, they all have an agenda and it's nothing to do with the welfare of Damien Comer.
 

PatMustard

Well-Known Member
I agree if it was McKenna cup match it would have got a loss less attention. But that doesn't make it right.

Personally I feel that the ban Kelly received is fair. Acts like that don't belong in the game. And I accept similar incidents have happened in the past and went unpunished.

But two wrongs don't make a right. Don't know about anybody else but I'm tired of hearing about it.

Punishments have been issued and accepted. Time to move on from it
No, it doesn’t. I agree.

But part of the issue of the melee seemed to be about non-playing members of the squad joining in. So, if the GAA are trying to make a point about that, they failed.

And if a similar melee happened again, the odds are the non-26 members will get off as long as they don’t strike/gouge.
 

stevie_06

Well-Known Member
No, it doesn’t. I agree.

But part of the issue of the melee seemed to be about non-playing members of the squad joining in. So, if the GAA are trying to make a point about that, they failed.

And if a similar melee happened again, the odds are the non-26 members will get off as long as they don’t strike/gouge.
Feel the suspension is just the immediate aftermath.

I expected longer term actions to be taken to help prevent in future. Including limiting of people on sideline. Which was changed a while back to limit number if people but then we have went back to every Tom dick and Harry being on the sideline
 

Not too serious

Active Member
There is a lack of knowledge on the disciplinary system here. Whatever about it not making sense this is the protocol:

1) The red cards issued by the referee will have been included in the referees report. They will not be debated by cccc and will draw the appropriate sanctions (ie 1 game bans). Whether these are right are wrong is not in question at this point. The cccc will not review these. Once the sanction is proposed it is up to the players in question to appeal the bans. Which Galway rightly did and obviously would have quite easily won their case as the footage exonerates their man.

2) as mccabes red was his second this season his proposed sanction is doubled automatically. Again this is not reviewed by cccc who act solely on referees report and usually issue the minimum sanction.

3) the cccc will review video evidence for cases that may have been missed by the referee. In the grand scheme of things it is irreverent who started what. They will look for the most serious offenders. On the armagh side, T Kelly obviously, Hughes grabbed a Galway player and took him to ground and Turbitt also did the same in the aftermath of the TK incident. Unsure and don’t care about galway’s actions (sick to death of the whataboutery). The cccc will then deal with those they deem guilty and propose sanctions.

4) the major issue with T Kelly is he was not a player. If he had been in the match day squad I would imagine he would have been dealt with under a different category of offence, either contributing to a melee or striking - which are a minimum 1 match ban at the same level in the same code, which others have got before. Because he wasn’t a player on the day he must have been charged with bringing the association into disrepute maybe which is a minimum 8 weeks ban from all GAA activity. To have this trebled to 24 weeks is a fairly substantial thing for the cccc to do. The only thing in the rules that bring a heftier sanction is striking an official.

Could have been worse, could have been better, on all of above Armagh may have got either or both of Nugent and McCabe bans reduced. The bad PR surrounding the whole thing makes it a wise decision to take the rap on the knuckles and move on quickly.

Problem lies ahead. If you were playing armagh next year you’d be telling your players to try to draw them out again after three fairly high profile instances in 2022. That’s the reality, and a reputation is hard to shake.
 

Ard Mhacha 13

Well-Known Member
Tiernan Kelly’s ban seemed to be longer because he wasn’t part of the 26.

So by that logic, should the other non-playing members from both sides who got involved, not be banned too?

Kelly’s length of ban seems to be worse because of the high profile of the match and the public outcry from pundits/politicians/priests/postmen etc. A McKenna cup match and it would have drawn little attention, and maybe a match ban.

The suits seem to make it up as they go along

Always have, always will :mad:
 

JoeH

Well-Known Member
Interesting to see a lot of southerners disappointed with TK's ban - I think the death penalty was what they were after. Does anyone know what bans other players got for the gouging incidents of a similar nature (pics doing the rounds)? There's even suggestions that it's unfair for any Galwegians to get banned at all. Anti-Northern bias at its best if ever you wanted to see it.
1 match bans from previous eye gouging incidents. Remember that it's not an actual infraction - or it's not in the rule book. Take a look and if anyone finds it post it here.

Those who got 1match bans did actually eye gouge. That is also unrefutable

Galway were involved in a melee earlier this year against Derry. This is lost in the narrative

Tiernan Kelly did not eye gouge and that is something that is unrefutable. This is an important fact that far too many do not recognise and don't want to. Relying on photos etc is not enough. Pictures tell a lot of stories and it's something that everyone interprets whatever way they want.
- Damien Comer played in extra time
- Damien Comer did not receive any medical attention for an eye gouge.
- Tiernan Kelly put his hand on comers face.


There are a lot of pundits and others who need to re-read their input and reflect on what they've written.

The bias against northern teams is unrefutable. This is across all codes.

It is now over. Punishments accepted
 

Not too serious

Active Member
1 match bans from previous eye gouging incidents. Remember that it's not an actual infraction - or it's not in the rule book. Take a look and if anyone finds it post it here.

Those who got 1match bans did actually eye gouge. That is also unrefutable

Galway were involved in a melee earlier this year against Derry. This is lost in the narrative

Tiernan Kelly did not eye gouge and that is something that is unrefutable. This is an important fact that far too many do not recognise and don't want to. Relying on photos etc is not enough. Pictures tell a lot of stories and it's something that everyone interprets whatever way they want.
- Damien Comer played in extra time
- Damien Comer did not receive any medical attention for an eye gouge.
- Tiernan Kelly put his hand on comers face.


There are a lot of pundits and others who need to re-read their input and reflect on what they've written.

The bias against northern teams is unrefutable. This is across all codes.

It is now over. Punishments accepted
No it is not in the rule book. One match ban for others (who were on the field of play when incidents occurred) was an appropriate sanction as determined by the rules. As stated previously TK must not have been charged with an infraction of the playing rules as he was not part of the match day squad. What is not clear here??

The whole thing was handbags until TK put his hand into the face of Comer as you say. If you think he didn’t eye gouge him and it’s irrefutable I cannot understand how. It is on video (not a photo) and there is a very clear grabbing action with the fingers. I don’t even know how much more evidence you would need. In addition why did he apologise and what for? I know the lad, I thought it out of character, but he did it.

The fact Comer played in extra time is irrelevant. Donaghy was gouged by Philly McMahon in a game before, he played on, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Unless you had access to Galway dressing room you cannot say he didn’t receive treatment. And even if he didn’t, it does not make any difference.

I go to a huge amount of football and hurling games and more and more I am fed up of the blind bias of people. Everyone and everything is wrong and everyone is out to get their team. It seems now even when there is video evidence too.
 

Revenge

Member
Hi all, I can't get my head around the the amount of criticism directed at Armagh team and County over the past week. Has ever any one incident in the past command has much coverage? I can't remember one. I have started to move on but with a full tank of a mixture of anger and injustice at the hatred on social media, national news papers and leech commentators and broadcasters directed towards Tk the Armagh team, supporters and county. Hopefully the team and management's tank is also full of injustice and use this to take them to a level no other team can live with football wise and ram the hatred back down their throats hopefully for the next ten years so they are sick to the teeth looking at us winning trophy after trophy. That's the only way to respond for me and can only hope the team and management feel the same onwards and upwards.
 

ShiftYa

Well-Known Member
Hi all, I can't get my head around the the amount of criticism directed at Armagh team and County over the past week. Has ever any one incident in the past command has much coverage? I can't remember one. I have started to move on but with a full tank of a mixture of anger and injustice at the hatred on social media, national news papers and leech commentators and broadcasters directed towards Tk the Armagh team, supporters and county. Hopefully the team and management's tank is also full of injustice and use this to take them to a level no other team can live with football wise and ram the hatred back down their throats hopefully for the next ten years so they are sick to the teeth looking at us winning trophy after trophy. That's the only way to respond for me and can only hope the team and management feel the same onwards and upwards.
Moreso down to a series of incidents than one isolated one.
 
This is an excellent article and has put into words what I couldn't about the GAA. Think about it, the best game of football this year (by a mile) was the Armagh v Galway game last Sunday - Why? Well because it had what is missing from most other games - passion. Every other game is a bore fest but our game was a real contest of skill, strength, speed, intensity and raw passion with a will to win. These two teams showed what they were willing to give to get that win and is it any wonder this boiled over after such a thrilling last few minutes. So for me the GAA can't have it both ways, they can't expect men to bust a gut and literally put their bodies on the line and then meekly turn to robots when the whistle is blown. They can't expect to have great spectacles of games that are sanitised for the snow flakes or Sky TV viewers. That already exists, it's called soccer and it would bore the hole off ye. Therein lies the problem for the GAA and indeed all of us Gaelic loving fools (that includes youse bandwagoners). I know which version I would like and it does not include Sky nor snow flakes.
Another thing we should always remember, those attacking TK and Armagh are either not GAA supporters or have a political agenda (blue [shirt] coloured). They want to inflict wounds on our association and our people in what ever under hand way they can, it's their modus operandi in all aspects of life. They are anti GAA and anti Irish in many ways and view themselves as western British although would bite your head off it you told them that. So I tell you what, go youse off and watch Love Island and Dancing in Pyjamas or what ever it is you are into now and leave us alone with our good old fashioned hard hitting game. We don't need you, you offer us nothing. Unfortunately for us though, those in HQ they see them as £ signs and so we are dictated to by everything we despise.
 
Whilst I understand the desire to 'move on quickly' I hope county board do not make decisions on whether it may be 'good/bad PR'. I think the Nugent card should have been appealed and it is probable it would have been rescinded, same as Galway player. They were both sent off in the wrong. This would have been at least one injustice rectified. The other injustice, IMO, is that the entire narrative around this whole incident, lays almost 100% of the blame at Armagh's door. By accepting the CCCC decision without a peep, it could be perceived that Armagh county board agree with this. Armagh Gaels have been under ferocious attack all week, from many different quarters. I think county board should have issued a strong statement refuting some of the absolute unjustified accusations and defended our proud county. Instead they just 'rolled over'. Disappointed in their lack of leadership. Ard Mhacha Abú.
 

Throwball

Well-Known Member
1 match bans from previous eye gouging incidents. Remember that it's not an actual infraction - or it's not in the rule book. Take a look and if anyone finds it post it here.

Those who got 1match bans did actually eye gouge. That is also unrefutable

Galway were involved in a melee earlier this year against Derry. This is lost in the narrative

Tiernan Kelly did not eye gouge and that is something that is unrefutable. This is an important fact that far too many do not recognise and don't want to. Relying on photos etc is not enough. Pictures tell a lot of stories and it's something that everyone interprets whatever way they want.
- Damien Comer played in extra time
- Damien Comer did not receive any medical attention for an eye gouge.
- Tiernan Kelly put his hand on comers face.


There are a lot of pundits and others who need to re-read their input and reflect on what they've written.

The bias against northern teams is unrefutable. This is across all codes.

It is now over. Punishments accepted
I agree with much of this. The eye gouging denial not so much. Only TK will know if he meant to go for the eye area or not but he should not have put his hand in Comer's face.

There has been a serious overreaction to the whole melee though. Some even suggested it was orchestrated. I think Philly McMahon put it well in the Irish Independent podcast. Basically there is no melee if one of the 2 teams doesn't join in.
 

gael_force_orchard

Well-Known Member
Getting sick of reading about the melee now (and have been guilty posting myself). It happened, take our oil move on. Bans were always coming our way, whether we like it or not we were involved in 3 melees this year and that needs rooted out. Next year is a new year and we go again.

So moving forward I think we need a root and branch review of what went well this season, what didn't and where improvements can be made in playing style and personal. Management if appointed again also need to reflect on what went right and wrong on the line this year. Next year won't be long rolling round and the attention now needs to shift on how we can incrementally improve again.
 
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