ragingbull
Well-Known Member
League prediction
Donegal
Armagh
Cork
Meath
Kildare
Cavan
Louth
Fermanagh
Donegal
Armagh
Cork
Meath
Kildare
Cavan
Louth
Fermanagh
No McNamee,Sudden & 2 Donnellys for Tyrone weakens them big timeArmagh
Donegal (before Jimmy they'd be 4th)
Cork
Cavan
Kildare
Meath
Louth
Fermanagh
Think Monaghan and Tyrone to be relegated from div 1 and Westmeath and Offaly to go up from div 3
Then they should ref it consistently. Not even from game to game but within games their interpretation changes.It kind of is defined Niall. The only tackle really allowed is with an open hand on "the ball". The only actual physical contact allowed in the rules is shoulder to shoulder with both players travelling in the same direction - that kind of means running alongside an opponent carrying the ball. Then a player may "nudge" an opponent when he releases the ball in an effort to dispossess him, or using the near hand try and "flick" the ball away again as it is played. You often see a player remonstrating that they used their shoulder. In affect they are correct, but the fact the opponent is lying unconscious on the ground requiring oxygen and medical assistance is lost on them. A sudden stop block to the centre of the chest or other frontal areas could be extremely dangerous which is why it isn't allowed.
No surrounding of a payer or beating on him or the ball is actually allowed either. It must be a single handed attempt on the ball and only one player can attempt the tackle. Once a second gets involved, that becomes a 3rd player tackle. The only time it's permissible to surround an opponent is to simply block them from moving or playing away the ball to a team mate, but like already outlined, players can't simply use both hands (or feet, legs and knees etc. if you're a diving midget) to try and dispossess a player in possession. How that's supposed to be achieved in reality without physical contact is anyones guess.
One definition:
The Tackle
The Tackle is re-defined as:
“The Tackle is a skill by which a player may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rules of Fair Play. The tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. The tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge) is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact can be a Fair Charge i.e. Shoulder-to-shoulder with at least one foot on the ground. More than one player can tackle the player in possession, but only one at a time.”
Quite simple really when you think about it
I think Armagh and Donegal are the 2 stand out teams in division 2 but think cork and Kildare are teams that will eventually be top teams wether it's 2 or 3 years time, I think Cavan also are playing below what they should be, but I'd say Fermanagh,Louth and Meath should be 3 teams that are well below our level, I understand why people want us to be promoted but with us having an easier draw to a Ulster final and I think we should at least finish in top 4, I think if we can't try 3 or 4 players now when can we? For me we are in for a big drop off in 2 or 3 years if we don't blood players in nowThe more I look at the teams in this division, the more I come to the conclusion that it's a seriously difficult line up of teams we play against. Having 4 home games is huge here. I would have argued Donegal are not as bad as people were making them out to be because of injuries last year. Louth have been a bogey team, but I think they will be missing a trick losing Mickey Harte. Never know what you are going to get with Cavan, and fermanagh away will just be dogged.
I'm off the opinion that we go with the strongest line ups we have initially and try and get points on the board. Get to the all Ireland series through the league initially. Ulster can wait, there is no real merit in chasing a provincial now, other than to recoup a bad league position and make the all Ireland series by the back door via a provincial final. We seen it play out last year, all 8 provincial finalists were leggy in the group stages of the all Ireland. So the league is by far the more important competition.
Promotion allows us a risk free rattle at division 1 next year with a team that will hopefully blood a bit of youth. Staying in division 2 means we have our backs to the wall next year with what will likely be a completely new team. Relegation, don't even go there. We need to go for the league, because we can't expect players in their mid 30s to go to the well again next season. McGeeneys 10th season, and it will be the defining one by which he is remembered.
Agree. Cant rely on Forker/Grugan etc forever need to be bringing new lads in as well.I think Armagh and Donegal are the 2 stand out teams in division 2 but think cork and Kildare are teams that will eventually be top teams wether it's 2 or 3 years time, I think Cavan also are playing below what they should be, but I'd say Fermanagh,Louth and Meath should be 3 teams that are well below our level, I understand why people want us to be promoted but with us having an easier draw to a Ulster final and I think we should at least finish in top 4, I think if we can't try 3 or 4 players now when can we? For me we are in for a big drop off in 2 or 3 years if we don't blood players in now
They have been in 3 under 20 finals in 5 years or something like that, they are definitely a team that will come to the fore sometime soonPersonally think kildare are being massively underestimated here, they will be there or thereabouts at yhe end of the league, they have a lot of wrongs to put right after a very poor showing last year
I don't know whether you had the chance to watch the Roscommon v Galway in the FBD final on Friday or the Derry v Donegal game yesterday but you couldn't get two more contrasting games in terms of style of play and more importantly entertainment. The former finished 2-25 to 13 points to Roscommon and was a really entertaining game of football. It had everything you would want to see including a lot of excellent scores, high fielding, excellent defending and hard hitting and, in my opinion, a real example of what our game could and should look like. On the other hand the game last night was bordering on unwatchable. This is no surprise because the two greatest architects and proponents of the modern game were in opposite dugouts. If you or anyone on here would prefer to watch the game last night then we will never agree.Id prefer the old open games for sure, but have accepted this is the new norm and find enjoyment in others facades of the game now other than scores as I previously referenced, such as match ups, tactical battles, system discipline and managers out thinking the other etc. I cant ever imagine a day I wouldn't watch it and I think despite all the complaints some people may have, its hardwired into us to watch it, and the gaa and sponsors probably know that!
Was being played indoors a factor?I don't know whether you had the chance to watch the Roscommon v Galway in the FBD final on Friday or the Derry v Donegal game yesterday but you couldn't get two more contrasting games in terms of style of play and more importantly entertainment. The former finished 2-25 to 13 points to Roscommon and was a really entertaining game of football. It had everything you would want to see including a lot of excellent scores, high fielding, excellent defending and hard hitting and, in my opinion, a real example of what our game could and should look like. On the other hand the game last night was bordering on unwatchable. This is no surprise because the two greatest architects and proponents of the modern game were in opposite dugouts. If you or anyone on here would prefer to watch the game last night then we will never agree.
What is entertaining about watching a team coast a match by 18 pointsI don't know whether you had the chance to watch the Roscommon v Galway in the FBD final on Friday or the Derry v Donegal game yesterday but you couldn't get two more contrasting games in terms of style of play and more importantly entertainment. The former finished 2-25 to 13 points to Roscommon and was a really entertaining game of football. It had everything you would want to see including a lot of excellent scores, high fielding, excellent defending and hard hitting and, in my opinion, a real example of what our game could and should look like. On the other hand the game last night was bordering on unwatchable. This is no surprise because the two greatest architects and proponents of the modern game were in opposite dugouts. If you or anyone on here would prefer to watch the game last night then we will never agree.
Yeah, I'd say it definitely helped.Was being played indoors a factor?
Should Ulster build a mushroom house too?