National Football League 2024

Diarmi

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Most costs are financed by sponsorship and internal fundraising, not ticket sales. Louth affording Harte/Devlin a prime example.

Gravy Train??? If men want to train fellas 4 or 5 times a week often in the darks and colds of winter and dedicate countless hours travelling around the country then they should get a few quid, especially when half the time all they get is criticism in return. Your own club man is on the management 'gravy train' now, perhaps you should approach him directly and ask their thoughts on the matter and how rich they are getting out of it.

Begrudgery alive and well!!!
Can I suggest that you read my post and try to understand it rather than jumping to your own conclusions. The current spectacle of football is atrocious to watch. If the coaches including our coaches persist with these tactics then nobody will want to watch the game and there will be no money for anyone.
 

Wide ball

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Can I suggest that you read my post and try to understand it rather than jumping to your own conclusions. The current spectacle of football is atrocious to watch. If the coaches including our coaches persist with these tactics then nobody will want to watch the game and there will be no money for anyone.
I do agree it's hard to watch at time with 15 attacking and 15 defending, I still think it's better to watch then when Donegal changed to that blanket defensive style about 12 years ago
 

armaghtimmy

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Can I suggest that you read my post and try to understand it rather than jumping to your own conclusions. The current spectacle of football is atrocious to watch. If the coaches including our coaches persist with these tactics then nobody will want to watch the game and there will be no money for anyone.
So Gaelic football will die out due to low numbers, because people wont come/watch on tele because of negative tactics?

Its 21 years since Pat called it puke football and the train hasn't derailed yet so I doubt the Gaa hierarchy will lose much sleep. Allianz SuperValu and AIB seem happy to keep pumping money in so must be doing something right. Gaago was created and continues to function.... I think the days of free flowing football have (for now at least) passed, there's so much investment now there's more pressure to win, inevitably that involves tightening up and deploying tactics making it harder for other teams to score. Derry and Donegal will undoubtedly sell out and pull a high viewership when they meet in the championship and it wouldn't surprise anyone if it finishes 0-7 to 0-5... People can be equally intrigued by tactics and managers trying to outwitting each other as they are free flowing scoring games.
 

Diarmi

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So Gaelic football will die out due to low numbers, because people wont come/watch on tele because of negative tactics?

Its 21 years since Pat called it puke football and the train hasn't derailed yet so I doubt the Gaa hierarchy will lose much sleep. Allianz SuperValu and AIB seem happy to keep pumping money in so must be doing something right. Gaago was created and continues to function.... I think the days of free flowing football have (for now at least) passed, there's so much investment now there's more pressure to win, inevitably that involves tightening up and deploying tactics making it harder for other teams to score. Derry and Donegal will undoubtedly sell out and pull a high viewership when they meet in the championship and it wouldn't surprise anyone if it finishes 0-7 to 0-5... People can be equally intrigued by tactics and managers trying to outwitting each other as they are free flowing scoring games.
Die, no but will it retain it's level of support, no. Less support, less money.

If you enjoy watching the modern game then I would say you are in the minority.
 

Armaghball

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Die, no but will it retain it's level of support, no. Less support, less money.

If you enjoy watching the modern game then I would say you are in the minority.
Depends on the match.

Our game vs Monaghan last year was horrible to watch. We dropped men back but seemed to me at the time that we let their wing backs/forwards to run through us unchallenged, McCarthy in particular i think destroyed us.
 

armaghtimmy

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Die, no but will it retain it's level of support, no. Less support, less money.

If you enjoy watching the modern game then I would say you are in the minority.
Id prefer the old open games for sure, but have accepted this is the new norm and find enjoyment in others facades of the game now other than scores as I previously referenced, such as match ups, tactical battles, system discipline and managers out thinking the other etc. I cant ever imagine a day I wouldn't watch it and I think despite all the complaints some people may have, its hardwired into us to watch it, and the gaa and sponsors probably know that!
 

PatMustard

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In recent seasons, I noticed a lot of youngsters (@Big Jim might still fit into that category), who seem to go to matches for the TikTac videoing and the FaceTube likes. Its the same with big concerts, Bouncy Knowles and that Redhead Ned fella, it’s a case of “well, everybody else is going, so I want to go too”. Mad, but that’s the reality.

Sure, we always had the Buckfast brigade hoking out their Carna Transport 1994 shirts (although that’s my current shirt as well), and heading to Clones or Dublin for a big game. The first match attended since the last big one. So, nothing new there really.

Anyway, I don’t know what my point is here, other than just to say... I think when a match involving Armagh is going on, we are just so engrossed in the moment that we don’t notice how good or bad a game might be. It’s probably only afterwards that we realise, Christ that was puke, but we won, so who gives a frig.
 

BananaMan

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I'm aware that I'm in the minority but I am a fan of how gaelic football is now played. I totally understand those who aren't - it's a big change and it's not what you want to see, no qualms.
But for me, the chess match element to it intrigues me. I'm in my 40s so I'm not some young lad who knows no different.

I look back at old games as see such so much wastefulness and inefficiency, needless turnover of possession whereas others see excitement.

But I for sure do not believe for a second that large swathes of fans are going to drop away as a result.
 

winsamsoon

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The game is what it is lads, its how its evolved with the constant rule tweaks and the introduction of a more science based approach to coaching. Kicking and screaming about it won't change a thing. I am also of the opinion that it won't lead to crowds dropping. Theres more now at games than there ever was, the Ath Grounds stands were full an hour before throw in at some of the NFL games last season, never thought I would see that.

I don't mind the game itself, my main annoyance is the rule changes that they have adapted, the black card and square balls rules are a lotto in most games. I don't feel they add anything to our game at all. I would however love to see a game were all new rules were scrapped and both teams have a rattle at it, just for old times sake.
 

niall1980

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The game is what it is lads, its how its evolved with the constant rule tweaks and the introduction of a more science based approach to coaching. Kicking and screaming about it won't change a thing. I am also of the opinion that it won't lead to crowds dropping. Theres more now at games than there ever was, the Ath Grounds stands were full an hour before throw in at some of the NFL games last season, never thought I would see that.

I don't mind the game itself, my main annoyance is the rule changes that they have adapted, the black card and square balls rules are a lotto in most games. I don't feel they add anything to our game at all. I would however love to see a game were all new rules were scrapped and both teams have a rattle at it, just for old times sake.
personally Id like to see them define the tackle
 

Wide ball

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personally Id like to see them define the tackle
So would I, for me once a player is surrounded it's a 50/50 on what way the free goes, way too many rules for refs to remember, I personally think we need two refs one in each half of the field scrap the forward mark, define a tackle, and don't over complicate the fecking rules
 

Big Jim

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personally Id like to see them define the tackle
It kind of is defined Niall. The only tackle really allowed is with an open hand on "the ball". The only actual physical contact allowed in the rules is shoulder to shoulder with both players travelling in the same direction - that kind of means running alongside an opponent carrying the ball. Then a player may "nudge" an opponent when he releases the ball in an effort to dispossess him, or using the near hand try and "flick" the ball away again as it is played. You often see a player remonstrating that they used their shoulder. In affect they are correct, but the fact the opponent is lying unconscious on the ground requiring oxygen and medical assistance is lost on them. A sudden stop block to the centre of the chest or other frontal areas could be extremely dangerous which is why it isn't allowed.

No surrounding of a payer or beating on him or the ball is actually allowed either. It must be a single handed attempt on the ball and only one player can attempt the tackle. Once a second gets involved, that becomes a 3rd player tackle. The only time it's permissible to surround an opponent is to simply block them from moving or playing away the ball to a team mate, but like already outlined, players can't simply use both hands (or feet, legs and knees etc. if you're a diving midget) to try and dispossess a player in possession. How that's supposed to be achieved in reality without physical contact is anyones guess.

One definition:

The Tackle

The Tackle is re-defined as:

“The Tackle is a skill by which a player may dispossess an opponent or frustrate his objective within the Rules of Fair Play. The tackle is aimed at the ball, not the player. The tackler may use his body to confront the opponent but deliberate bodily contact (such as punching, slapping, arm holding, pushing, tripping, jersey pulling or a full frontal charge) is forbidden. The only deliberate physical contact can be a Fair Charge i.e. Shoulder-to-shoulder with at least one foot on the ground. More than one player can tackle the player in possession, but only one at a time.”

Quite simple really when you think about it ;):D
 

Big Jim

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So would I, for me once a player is surrounded it's a 50/50 on what way the free goes, way too many rules for refs to remember, I personally think we need two refs one in each half of the field scrap the forward mark, define a tackle, and don't over complicate the fecking rules
Don't over complicate things. No need for a second ref. There's already 8 officials on duty (yes that relates to bigger games)

Simply allow the line officials a bigger role (hatefully) I think like the groundball line runners. They are all fully qualified refs anyway so trust them to "flag" an incident! Then if you want to tighten even more, every umpire needs to be a suitably qualified ref and give them limited responsibility to immediately inform a ref of infringement. They already can, but only in a break in play. No extra officials needed. Just use those that are there better I think.
 

Wide ball

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Don't over complicate things. No need for a second ref. There's already 8 officials on duty (yes that relates to bigger games)

Simply allow the line officials a bigger role (hatefully) I think like the groundball line runners. They are all fully qualified refs anyway so trust them to "flag" an incident! Then if you want to tighten even more, every umpire needs to be a suitably qualified ref and give them limited responsibility to immediately inform a ref of infringement. They already can, but only in a break in play. No extra officials needed. Just use those that are there better I think.
I think we do need another ref on the field, players are now as fit professional athletes and refs are nowhere near fit enough to keep up never mind off the ball shite, how many game you see a ref blow a free on the 21 and him nowhere near up with play? Happens all the time, one ref in each half would solve that, problem is do we have enough refs of the quality
 

Muckser

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Folks we need to start the league with a bang. Make no mistakes about it counties are all looking at the trap door out of Sam. Donegal can't risk being near the bottom with their championship draw. Louth would love to beat us and Meath can blow hot and cold. Do we really want to need a win in Cork for example ? Start strong and rotate IF possible later in the league in preparation for the big ones.
 

Big Jim

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I think we do need another ref on the field, players are now as fit professional athletes and refs are nowhere near fit enough to keep up never mind off the ball shite, how many game you see a ref blow a free on the 21 and him nowhere near up with play? Happens all the time, one ref in each half would solve that, problem is do we have enough refs of the quality
So you don't think 8 officials already there being used better and with more authority is not enough? Would you be inclined to then drop the line officials if that's the case because otherwise you're advocating almost as many officials as a team has players. If the ref can't remember all the rules he's not much use at the job and should step down. Every player should know the rules too. Don't forget all the unofficial at every game. There's hundred's of the feckers on the banks. Do you seriously believe that every one of the "FFS Ref open your eyes" brigade, know every rule? They would have you believe they do.

Just remember that every single time the ref blows the whistle for a free he is 50% wrong.
 

Wide ball

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So you don't think 8 officials already there being used better and with more authority is not enough? Would you be inclined to then drop the line officials if that's the case because otherwise you're advocating almost as many officials as a team has players. If the ref can't remember all the rules he's not much use at the job and should step down. Every player should know the rules too. Don't forget all the unofficial at every game. There's hundred's of the feckers on the banks. Do you seriously believe that every one of the "FFS Ref open your eyes" brigade, know every rule? They would have you believe they do.

Just remember that every single time the ref blows the whistle for a free he is 50% wrong.
Yeah I'd personally get rid of lines men as they do very little anyways, I just think refs struggle to keep up with modern players,
 

Armaghball

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Yeah I'd personally get rid of lines men as they do very little anyways, I just think refs struggle to keep up with modern players,
I’d give linesmen more power. If they’re actually refs themselves they should be allowed to let the ref know if he’s got something wrong, often they will have a better view of things.
 
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