All Ireland series
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Armaghball
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Consistently useless
Armaghball
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He’s had a few too many and just posted the same thing about 15 times. Valid opinion and all which he’s entitled to but jesus give it a rest
Armagh_paul
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I don't think McGeeney was to blame for today. The players although give it their all have become limited. That being said he is responsible for our style of play and it has been crap all season. We only needed that 65/35 balance between attack and defence, not a complete reversal. I think the amount of time McGeeney has had is insane and his antics are not a good look for us and it has got to the point where he has a bad reputation with referees and it's being taken out on the teams.
Duffy has become ordinary and doesn't seem to have confidence.
Grugan and Campbell have been off pace all season.
There is a huge problem when O'Neill plays and that isn't O'Neills fault. He is 24 and is the goto guy and I think the other forwards lack the confidence to go up and score.
Correct me if I'm wrong but did Burns play? He would have been a man to bring on in the last 15 minutes.
Conor lane was poor enough. Was very yellow card happy with us but not with Monaghan. Umpires and linesman love getting involved when we are playing, crap going on in the other game and nothing was ever said.
Alot of people got cocky with drawing Monaghan, we don't suit the favourites tag. We are a team that likes to be in the gutter looking up and shooting for the stars but too many get carried away every year. It's great to have a bit of optimism but gives the opposition the respect they deserve. Another note on fans, great to see Armagh and Monaghan fans punching the sh1T out of each other at the end of ET on the hill.
Duffy has become ordinary and doesn't seem to have confidence.
Grugan and Campbell have been off pace all season.
There is a huge problem when O'Neill plays and that isn't O'Neills fault. He is 24 and is the goto guy and I think the other forwards lack the confidence to go up and score.
Correct me if I'm wrong but did Burns play? He would have been a man to bring on in the last 15 minutes.
Conor lane was poor enough. Was very yellow card happy with us but not with Monaghan. Umpires and linesman love getting involved when we are playing, crap going on in the other game and nothing was ever said.
Alot of people got cocky with drawing Monaghan, we don't suit the favourites tag. We are a team that likes to be in the gutter looking up and shooting for the stars but too many get carried away every year. It's great to have a bit of optimism but gives the opposition the respect they deserve. Another note on fans, great to see Armagh and Monaghan fans punching the sh1T out of each other at the end of ET on the hill.
ShiftYa
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Well at least we don’t have to witness Armagh take a hammering from a Kerry or Dublin in the semis.
For all the talk Kerry aren’t going well they really put Tyrone to the sword. They just know how to peak come the business end of the year.
The media hyping this championship up that it’s as wide open as it’s ever been, but it’ll just go to one of the two big dogs like it always does.
For all the talk Kerry aren’t going well they really put Tyrone to the sword. They just know how to peak come the business end of the year.
The media hyping this championship up that it’s as wide open as it’s ever been, but it’ll just go to one of the two big dogs like it always does.
ragingbull
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What
Armaghball
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Don’t know about the rest of you but I don’t want to watch, think, or talk about football for the foreseeable, so god only knows how the lads feel at the minute. (I’ll probably watch both games today though!).
Just want to mention 3 players in particular, Aidan Forker who was immense in attack and defence and if the legs hadn’t went may have proved the difference late on. Inspirational scores all day when no one else would take responsibility. Young Conaty I think deserves a mention, 2 excellent penalties for a young lad in his first year under huge pressure.
Also Callum Cumiskey, heart is absolutely broke for the lad who has given us huge games any time he has played all year. Cruel cruel way to lose.
Also, seriously hope there will be no retirements, but the likes of Murnin, Soupy, Forker etc are getting no younger, though are all huge parts of this team and have been unbelievable servants for over a decade.
Not going to comment on management changes, discussion to be had but personally I’d rather leave it a few days and cool off, no doubt it’ll be discussed to death on forums and with the powers that be in the county.
Anyway as always, a huge thanks to every single panel member and coaching staff member, as always some great memories this year and some horrible ones, but no doubting the effort each and every one puts in. Heres to a more successful 2024!
Just want to mention 3 players in particular, Aidan Forker who was immense in attack and defence and if the legs hadn’t went may have proved the difference late on. Inspirational scores all day when no one else would take responsibility. Young Conaty I think deserves a mention, 2 excellent penalties for a young lad in his first year under huge pressure.
Also Callum Cumiskey, heart is absolutely broke for the lad who has given us huge games any time he has played all year. Cruel cruel way to lose.
Also, seriously hope there will be no retirements, but the likes of Murnin, Soupy, Forker etc are getting no younger, though are all huge parts of this team and have been unbelievable servants for over a decade.
Not going to comment on management changes, discussion to be had but personally I’d rather leave it a few days and cool off, no doubt it’ll be discussed to death on forums and with the powers that be in the county.
Anyway as always, a huge thanks to every single panel member and coaching staff member, as always some great memories this year and some horrible ones, but no doubting the effort each and every one puts in. Heres to a more successful 2024!
Peter grimes
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What makes you think that?
I have said it before but there should be a proper review every year.
I would genuinely struggle to see how in any review a committee could decide that the best thing for Armagh would be another year.
We looked like we are gripped by fear on the pitch and it’s possible that we are gripped by fear, fear of the unknown, fear of making a mistake, at committee level.
Something to think about - will the Tyrone management get another chance? Dooher is a legend. Management have an AI to their name. Professionally the 2 guys have made massive sacrifices. But I strongly suspect Tyrone will tell them thank you and goodbye.
ShiftYa
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What’s different this year than the last 9? If 3, 4, 5 etc years of no success wasn’t the trigger why this year. We’ve been here before and McGeeney has stayed on. I don’t think he’s the type to step down so it’s up to the county board the pursue the change.
gael_force_orchard
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I could never understand the fanbase being so happy with the Monaghan draw when it was made. I had been nervous about the game since the draw was made. Monaghan was the team that panel just didn't need. Far too familiar and drag teams down to their own level. And there in lays the problem. We let them.
We let Monaghan dictate the pace from the offset and that unfortunately is on the line on this one. As it has been other times again. Yes players will be hurting and people can say they missed chances or didn't execute the final pass well enough, but the way we were set up made it more difficult. We were far far to deep and we let them shoot at will from distance, they scored 5 or 6 points from distance and had 12 wides, so for all the negative football we played, we let them shoot at will essentially. I just can't get my head around the set up at all. As others have said, the intent was shown at throw in by replacing a forward with a back. Monaghan were licking their lips with us.
The referee didn't cost us the game either, the Turbitt incident at the end of normal time was 50/50, and he gave Monaghan a black card for nothing. We went into extra time a man up and still we sat back. 1 point to show for it and sat back. The shackles were well and truly on that team. The last free taken short by beggan was well over time, but again we gave him the short option to work a more scorable free. It was clear he didn't fancy hitting it, so why not press the free and not give the option. I think the outcome would have been different had forker been on the pitch, they would never have gotten that far up the pitch to work an equaliser. But so it was.
A rank average Monaghan team pipped us to safety in the league and are now in a championship semi final. They have went to the well again. We looked leggy yesterday, we are an aging team and I think we will struggle now for what could become a long time. The players owe us nothing, but I don't think they have the legs to go again in a lot of cases unfortunately, the system they have been forced to play has been energy sapping and against their natural strengths and ability. It has drained their confidence.
What comes next could be anyone's guess. An assessment of any season should always be carried out and in a timely manner. Truth be told we will get a decision on management soon enough and for what it's worth I think there will be a change. The problem is that the new regime may be left with little to work with. I will be there in the athletic grounds next season in hope as that's what armagh fans live off, though truth be told, this season has limped along and whimpered out without as much as a sound.
I think we all know that that team had more in them, possibly quite a lot more, but they just weren't trusted to play a bit of football. And that folks means it's time to make the biggest decision in 9 years of Armagh football.
We let Monaghan dictate the pace from the offset and that unfortunately is on the line on this one. As it has been other times again. Yes players will be hurting and people can say they missed chances or didn't execute the final pass well enough, but the way we were set up made it more difficult. We were far far to deep and we let them shoot at will from distance, they scored 5 or 6 points from distance and had 12 wides, so for all the negative football we played, we let them shoot at will essentially. I just can't get my head around the set up at all. As others have said, the intent was shown at throw in by replacing a forward with a back. Monaghan were licking their lips with us.
The referee didn't cost us the game either, the Turbitt incident at the end of normal time was 50/50, and he gave Monaghan a black card for nothing. We went into extra time a man up and still we sat back. 1 point to show for it and sat back. The shackles were well and truly on that team. The last free taken short by beggan was well over time, but again we gave him the short option to work a more scorable free. It was clear he didn't fancy hitting it, so why not press the free and not give the option. I think the outcome would have been different had forker been on the pitch, they would never have gotten that far up the pitch to work an equaliser. But so it was.
A rank average Monaghan team pipped us to safety in the league and are now in a championship semi final. They have went to the well again. We looked leggy yesterday, we are an aging team and I think we will struggle now for what could become a long time. The players owe us nothing, but I don't think they have the legs to go again in a lot of cases unfortunately, the system they have been forced to play has been energy sapping and against their natural strengths and ability. It has drained their confidence.
What comes next could be anyone's guess. An assessment of any season should always be carried out and in a timely manner. Truth be told we will get a decision on management soon enough and for what it's worth I think there will be a change. The problem is that the new regime may be left with little to work with. I will be there in the athletic grounds next season in hope as that's what armagh fans live off, though truth be told, this season has limped along and whimpered out without as much as a sound.
I think we all know that that team had more in them, possibly quite a lot more, but they just weren't trusted to play a bit of football. And that folks means it's time to make the biggest decision in 9 years of Armagh football.
Right so where to start. Suppose have to say I am disappointed with the performance we put in yesterday. It was a pretty average (if not poor performance).
In terms of quality there wasn't a lot on show between both teams. First half felt we shaded the play and should have been further ahead. From what i remember Soupy, Grugan and O'Neill also missed opportunities.
At no stage were we able to build up more than a 1 point lead with Monaghan constantly reeling us back in. 2nd half was more even and very little between the 2 sides.
We had a couple of goal opportunities and if we had managed to take one of them it would have been game over. But after 70 mins I probably thought a draw was the correct result.
Both teams just cancelled each other our and was a very scrappy match. This is probably what Monaghan wanted and it was something I thought wouldn't happend.
Going into the game felt we would have went on the front foot and try to dominate the match. Still feel man for man we are the better team but we couldn't prove this on the day.
Management have to accept this as they do decide the game plan. It was almost as if last year we played attacking football against Galway and still lost. This time there appeared to be a attitude of right we are not going to lose this and we were afraid to actually go and try to win the match.
Bur there were also missed opportunities and some poor technical errors that players have to take the blame for. If we had took two or three of them we would be talking about us being in an All Ireland semi final. Management cannot be blamed for that
On the day thought O'Neill, Forker and Mackin were best players we had. Some of our bigger names had a quiet enough day such as Soupy, Murnin and Grugan.
Not going to mention the penalties because it is what it is. And once it went to penalties I was resigned to losing giving our history in them.
The ref was poor enough on the day. Some yellows which were harsh for both sides along with the black card. In terms of additional time and the free he didn't award at end of normal time I won't get into as if we had taken our opportunities it wouldn't have matter.
So what does the future for this set of players and management look like. Feel there may well be some retirements which if is the case its a terrible way for them to end their intercounty careers.
The management I'm sure will reflect over the next weeks and months whether they can take this group of players any further. If they decide they can then I will back them. If they decide to move on then we start a new era and will back whoever is appointed.
But not going to start slating the management team. Under different management I'm not sure they could have got much more out of the squad. Over the past 2 years we could say have been the unluckiest team in Ireland.
Understand at time teams make their own luck. But we have been a few bounces of the balls and a few unlucky breaks away from being in an All Ireland semi for 2 years in a row and winning an Ulster championship.
Everybody involved I'm sure will reflect over the coming period and decide what is best for them and Armagh football in general.
And on other posters on here. I have no problem accepting people want management team gone and willing to debate based on rationale arguments and comments.
But some of the comments on here are just stupid. Present a legitimate argument for change and a plan for the way forward instead of just calling for people to pack their backs.
In terms of quality there wasn't a lot on show between both teams. First half felt we shaded the play and should have been further ahead. From what i remember Soupy, Grugan and O'Neill also missed opportunities.
At no stage were we able to build up more than a 1 point lead with Monaghan constantly reeling us back in. 2nd half was more even and very little between the 2 sides.
We had a couple of goal opportunities and if we had managed to take one of them it would have been game over. But after 70 mins I probably thought a draw was the correct result.
Both teams just cancelled each other our and was a very scrappy match. This is probably what Monaghan wanted and it was something I thought wouldn't happend.
Going into the game felt we would have went on the front foot and try to dominate the match. Still feel man for man we are the better team but we couldn't prove this on the day.
Management have to accept this as they do decide the game plan. It was almost as if last year we played attacking football against Galway and still lost. This time there appeared to be a attitude of right we are not going to lose this and we were afraid to actually go and try to win the match.
Bur there were also missed opportunities and some poor technical errors that players have to take the blame for. If we had took two or three of them we would be talking about us being in an All Ireland semi final. Management cannot be blamed for that
On the day thought O'Neill, Forker and Mackin were best players we had. Some of our bigger names had a quiet enough day such as Soupy, Murnin and Grugan.
Not going to mention the penalties because it is what it is. And once it went to penalties I was resigned to losing giving our history in them.
The ref was poor enough on the day. Some yellows which were harsh for both sides along with the black card. In terms of additional time and the free he didn't award at end of normal time I won't get into as if we had taken our opportunities it wouldn't have matter.
So what does the future for this set of players and management look like. Feel there may well be some retirements which if is the case its a terrible way for them to end their intercounty careers.
The management I'm sure will reflect over the next weeks and months whether they can take this group of players any further. If they decide they can then I will back them. If they decide to move on then we start a new era and will back whoever is appointed.
But not going to start slating the management team. Under different management I'm not sure they could have got much more out of the squad. Over the past 2 years we could say have been the unluckiest team in Ireland.
Understand at time teams make their own luck. But we have been a few bounces of the balls and a few unlucky breaks away from being in an All Ireland semi for 2 years in a row and winning an Ulster championship.
Everybody involved I'm sure will reflect over the coming period and decide what is best for them and Armagh football in general.
And on other posters on here. I have no problem accepting people want management team gone and willing to debate based on rationale arguments and comments.
But some of the comments on here are just stupid. Present a legitimate argument for change and a plan for the way forward instead of just calling for people to pack their backs.
Francie The Legend
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4,beat in the McKenna cup on penalties aswel.
It was a big decision. We had players in free space near the goals.
Disagree with us being unlucky, Galway last year we score a goal and straight away go to sleep and they score an instant reply goal, then when a draw a forward fists a point while 1 on 1 in extra time that's not bad luck that's bad decisions. Same this year Grugan fists over while 1 on 1 and when Rian scores that great point at end of extra time we let them go straight up get a free then let them play short, all we had to do was stand them up but Grugan made one of the laziest tackles iv ever seen. Again not bad luck but bad decisions. Many teams win both games if in Armagh position in these moments
Agree. And I did mention in my post about players taking the wrong decision. They are examples. We have had opportunities and have failed to take them.
But to lose an Ulster Final and 2 All Ireland QF all on pens is to a certain extent unlucky. By the laws of probability you would imagine we would have won one of them.
Also feel in them matches there have been bounces of the ball or referee decisions that just simply haven't went our way. Coupled with a few poor decision makings that has ultimately been our downfall.
Not going to analyse every match and if this had happened or if that happened. We lost all three on penalties and that's what the history books will show.
But by God to lose three important matches all on penalties is just cruel. I feel for the players and management involved.
Also didn't mention in original post by feel sorry for Cumiskey in particular. To be the player who missed twice must be horrible feeling.
I noticed that in the 2nd round of pens. We changed the order. First time round Cumiskey went 3rd. The final round the went last. I'm not even sure if that's allowed.
But was thinking at the time that's a bad sign as they we obviously thinking we might win it without him needing to take another one by putting him last.
Felt that was a huge indication that he was not confident of scoring the 2nd time round after missing the first time. That must have given Monaghan and in particular Beggan a huge boost.
Certainly given the above, whenever he stepped up I was expecting him to miss and that's what happened
Rufus T Firefly
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It never gets any easier. Each Armagh Championship exit seems to have a special twist of the knife, and last night was no exception.
I've often said that Geezer has to be one of the unluckiest managers about. At a guess, I'd venture there have been no more than 5/6 Senior Championship penalty shoot outs. We have now been in three and lost each one.
That said, my sense is that there was more than bad luck at play, as I felt we did not take the opportunity to impose ourselves on what I consider a marginally inferior team. That was never more evident than during the ten minutes of the black card, when we allowed Monaghan to run down the clock. I felt more urgency on our part at that time, had the potential to open up a telling 2/3 point lead.
We also spurned some great opportunities for goals and indeed points which all added to my belied that Armagh continue to lack a ruthless streak.
Another hugely eventful year ends in bitter disappointment again, with a definite feeling of a wonderful opportunity spurned.
A sense now that there will be decisions to be made by a lot of influential people which will have significant impacts for us moving forward, so appropriate to thank everyone involved for their commitment this year. Still some great memories despite the disappointments.
I wouldn't swap my County for any other.
Roll on 2024.
I've often said that Geezer has to be one of the unluckiest managers about. At a guess, I'd venture there have been no more than 5/6 Senior Championship penalty shoot outs. We have now been in three and lost each one.
That said, my sense is that there was more than bad luck at play, as I felt we did not take the opportunity to impose ourselves on what I consider a marginally inferior team. That was never more evident than during the ten minutes of the black card, when we allowed Monaghan to run down the clock. I felt more urgency on our part at that time, had the potential to open up a telling 2/3 point lead.
We also spurned some great opportunities for goals and indeed points which all added to my belied that Armagh continue to lack a ruthless streak.
Another hugely eventful year ends in bitter disappointment again, with a definite feeling of a wonderful opportunity spurned.
A sense now that there will be decisions to be made by a lot of influential people which will have significant impacts for us moving forward, so appropriate to thank everyone involved for their commitment this year. Still some great memories despite the disappointments.
I wouldn't swap my County for any other.
Roll on 2024.
Really disappointed this morning. We got it wrong from the get-go yesterday and played exactly how Corey wanted us to. They wanted a tight battle and we gave it to them. We dropped in an extra defender against a foward line I could hardly name 3 of. I sat for most of the first half in disbelief in terms of what we were doing - far too much respect shown.
I genuinely thought we'd change it up at h-t but didn't as we were ahead and Monaghan actually took control from then on and should probably have won the game in 70 mins. Maybe we're just not good enough?
I agree with a lot of your post @stevie_06. For me we need a fresh pair of eyes and something different after a decade. No disrespect to the current regime - unreal commitment & effort and Geezer is and always will be a legend and our honorary captain.
I have always questioned his tactical know-how and I think he's been outwitted more times than not, especially in the Ulster Championship over the years (results speak for themselves).
I hope the players take a good rest before making any decisions.
Well done Monaghan - always punching above their weight. A really well structured GAA county with no other distractions (soccer ball / bonfires etc) and a great underage system. I do fear for them in the semis however. Dublin / Kerry will show them zero respect and steamroll into them like we should have.
I genuinely thought we'd change it up at h-t but didn't as we were ahead and Monaghan actually took control from then on and should probably have won the game in 70 mins. Maybe we're just not good enough?
I agree with a lot of your post @stevie_06. For me we need a fresh pair of eyes and something different after a decade. No disrespect to the current regime - unreal commitment & effort and Geezer is and always will be a legend and our honorary captain.
I have always questioned his tactical know-how and I think he's been outwitted more times than not, especially in the Ulster Championship over the years (results speak for themselves).
I hope the players take a good rest before making any decisions.
Well done Monaghan - always punching above their weight. A really well structured GAA county with no other distractions (soccer ball / bonfires etc) and a great underage system. I do fear for them in the semis however. Dublin / Kerry will show them zero respect and steamroll into them like we should have.
gael_force_orchard
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The black card play was perhaps the most telling of the match. To be a man up for 7 minutes of extra time and return only one point direct from the throw in as well. Had we exerted more pressure then we could have turned the screw. Anyway.